What a great job. Fantastic!
Do you have spacers on the rear wheels?
Beautiful.
Dick Ruzzin
Hi Dick,
The Group 4 wheels just bolt straight on. The only real issue with them that Johnny Woods found is that the mounting surface is thinner than the original Goose wheels. So the original wheel nuts wind too far in. So as Johnny did I used some half wheel nuts to do the holding of the wheel and then the original DTom nuts just tightened up on the half nuts to finish the look. As yet I have not covered the front boot area or finished the trimming around the rear arches etc. I want to get some driving done ASAP! Mike
The Group 4 wheels just bolt straight on. The only real issue with them that Johnny Woods found is that the mounting surface is thinner than the original Goose wheels. So the original wheel nuts wind too far in. So as Johnny did I used some half wheel nuts to do the holding of the wheel and then the original DTom nuts just tightened up on the half nuts to finish the look. As yet I have not covered the front boot area or finished the trimming around the rear arches etc. I want to get some driving done ASAP! Mike
...sorry for the utter fascination on the trivial (!), after replacing throttle cable and AC hoses on a LHD car, a RHD car sparks my curiosity... The Alfa Guilia style handbrake itself wouldn't be that hard to move at the dash, I'm curious if the tensioner pulley is also mounted on the right side of the car (by the gas tank instead of to the left rear wheel well).
As well, I'd expect that the AC hoses still go thru the right side rocker, the whole placement of the in-dash AC (and the routing of the hoses) is interesting to me.
Btw, the only other pic google returned for a RHD Goose had the parking brake on the floor, whoever has this beautiful car...Lee
As well, I'd expect that the AC hoses still go thru the right side rocker, the whole placement of the in-dash AC (and the routing of the hoses) is interesting to me.
Btw, the only other pic google returned for a RHD Goose had the parking brake on the floor, whoever has this beautiful car...Lee
Attachments
Images (1)
Sweet Mike.... 
I'm in lust..!
I'm in lust..!
Rob, thanks for the comment. Lee that car is 8 MA 1294 in the UK. The resto completed by Johnny Woods turned a basic race car interior to this beautifully finished one. Interestingly they swapped the original late steering wheel for the earlier wood/leather one. This car should also have an under dash mounted umbrella style handbrake. All the various pulleys etc are orientated for Right hand drive with the final pivot where it pulls on the cables to the wheels mounted to the left of the sump. A/C hoses still go through the right sill and over the top of the dash and down at the far left to pick up the in cabin unit. Hope that all makes sense.
Mike
Mike
Idle rumor has it that only ten (10.0) right- hand drive Mangustas were ever built, including the late ones completed in Germany. So that makes RHD 'Gooses pretty rare DeTomasos!
Jack,
You missed the fact that this car, #1302, is #11 of the ten RHD cars!!
Not to mention that this is also the 402cnd car built of 400.......!
You need to update your rumor mill functions!
Chow! Hi to Judy!
S
You missed the fact that this car, #1302, is #11 of the ten RHD cars!!
Not to mention that this is also the 402cnd car built of 400.......!
You need to update your rumor mill functions!
Chow! Hi to Judy!
S
What a beautiful goose and here in Australia too. It must have made quite a buzz at Autoitalia?
Hmmmm- is my math wrong? #1302(last)-#500 (first)= 802/2= 401 built. What am I missing?
If so, #1302 is number 402 of the well-known '400 coupes and one Spyder (#0912)' production quantity. And that last may also be incorrect until we get more info on the rumored second Spyder (#1236) also from the German batch, seen a few years ago in Spain. My note says, owned by "Stefano". Any more known on it?
I always expected a few extra'Geese to be 'discovered' ala the lost '66 Shelby Cobras, after seeing the dozen or so spare front & rear clips squirreled away in the factory warehouse back in the '90s, and the price runup the last year or so. Seems like a natural move.
If so, #1302 is number 402 of the well-known '400 coupes and one Spyder (#0912)' production quantity. And that last may also be incorrect until we get more info on the rumored second Spyder (#1236) also from the German batch, seen a few years ago in Spain. My note says, owned by "Stefano". Any more known on it?
I always expected a few extra'Geese to be 'discovered' ala the lost '66 Shelby Cobras, after seeing the dozen or so spare front & rear clips squirreled away in the factory warehouse back in the '90s, and the price runup the last year or so. Seems like a natural move.
deniscCaretaker of 8MA1244 '70 Euro Mangusta DRIVE THEM, THEY WERE MEANT TO BE DRIVEN, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ONE, BUY A POSTER!
OK , just to clear-up a few items.
1.- 8MA1244 is a white body finished in Germany, has a floor mounted ebrake still has the pulleys on the lower rad mount.
2. - The 401 was a number recalled by Mrs.DeTomaso (not a number identified by registry or confirmed file count)
3.- 8MA1302 was identified a few years back.
3. the 2nd spyder is not a factory conversion but a craftsman version
4.- There are at least one non-serialized Mangusta built from parts (the white Mexican car)
1.- 8MA1244 is a white body finished in Germany, has a floor mounted ebrake still has the pulleys on the lower rad mount.
2. - The 401 was a number recalled by Mrs.DeTomaso (not a number identified by registry or confirmed file count)
3.- 8MA1302 was identified a few years back.
3. the 2nd spyder is not a factory conversion but a craftsman version
4.- There are at least one non-serialized Mangusta built from parts (the white Mexican car)
I am in need of the retention rubber for the rear fire-wall glass and the two back glasses in the rear engine covers.
Does anyone have any sources that they would share.
Thanks,
All the best,
DICK RUZZIN
Does anyone have any sources that they would share.
Thanks,
All the best,
DICK RUZZIN
Pantera Performance in San Diego or in Italy try Cicognani.
http://www.cicognaniguarnizioni.it
They have replicated every brand out there!!
Ciao.
http://www.cicognaniguarnizioni.it
They have replicated every brand out there!!
Ciao.
Hi Dick, we used the Cicognani rubbers around the car. The only ones incorrect were the door rubbers as they were too 'thick' and the front boot area that had little angled bits and I believe it should be a round finish to the rubber seal.
Just to clear up any questions about how long 1302 has been around- I have owned this car for 3 years and personally known this car since 1989 and have documents to prove it has been in Australia for 10 years prior to that and in the UK when it was new. It is an original Right hand drive car as opposed to my other Mangusta 718 which has been in my possession since 1988. This car has been converted to Right hand drive and my intent is to change it back to Left hand drive as it left the factory.
Thanks Mike
Just to clear up any questions about how long 1302 has been around- I have owned this car for 3 years and personally known this car since 1989 and have documents to prove it has been in Australia for 10 years prior to that and in the UK when it was new. It is an original Right hand drive car as opposed to my other Mangusta 718 which has been in my possession since 1988. This car has been converted to Right hand drive and my intent is to change it back to Left hand drive as it left the factory.
Thanks Mike
Congratulations Mike! Your car looks bloody gorgeous - love the colour. You are correct, the interior pic posted by Lee is the one I did. The floor mounted hand brake was not original - it was actually hydraulic and worked very well but I would not trust it, and it's not legal for the MOT. As you said the steering wheel was not original either, I removed the later dished one - we found that wood/leather/stainless on ebay - they come up quite often, about once every 5 years!
Johnny
Johnny
Pretty fascinating, guys. Which was the first of the German cars ? What else was changed for those assembled in Germany ? For example, so many parts had their chassis number marked underneath (like door panels and trunk deck). Were there any other body changes, say for example, was body filler used to cover the rough spot welds near the windshield columns ? Lee
deniscCaretaker of 8MA1244 '70 Euro Mangusta DRIVE THEM, THEY WERE MEANT TO BE DRIVEN, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ONE, BUY A POSTER!
The bodies left the Ghia plant incomplete in various steps. The distributor bought 5 (or so at a time) There are no major telltale signs. We had assumed: floor ebrake handle, coin tray, Becker radio, Citroen roof antenna and late dash configuration. For sure only the Germany cars had floor mounted ebrake handles, did they all have them is another research project.
These cars evolved thru production and many things changed. It is hard to identify when (if logical) items were upgraded ( rear fender gussets, 1 or 2 piece seat, rear defrost, dash configuration [there are 3], rear rim width [ 7.5 vs 8in] , magnesium or aluminium rims, Ferrero variation on steering [all leather or all wood, or dished], different spare tire hold down, very early cars have steel wings and hood, very early cars have 289s.
Unfortunately as we have seen the paperwork go trashed when the scrapped the filing cabinets and no true 'Marty' style reference exists.
These cars evolved thru production and many things changed. It is hard to identify when (if logical) items were upgraded ( rear fender gussets, 1 or 2 piece seat, rear defrost, dash configuration [there are 3], rear rim width [ 7.5 vs 8in] , magnesium or aluminium rims, Ferrero variation on steering [all leather or all wood, or dished], different spare tire hold down, very early cars have steel wings and hood, very early cars have 289s.
Unfortunately as we have seen the paperwork go trashed when the scrapped the filing cabinets and no true 'Marty' style reference exists.
It is unfortunate that so much of the documentation on these cars no longer exists, however with some knowledge and time we can piece together most of the way the cars should be. These are just my observations as I have seen most of the original Right hand drive cars in person. I have not seen 1286 nor 1294, however from what I have seen of the other cars is that they were trying to be as 'standard' as possible. By that I mean they all had the one piece seats all had dash mounted handbrake handle with late dash setup with integrated A/C vents. Windscreen wipers pivots were moved to wipe the reverse of the left hand drivers. All had the gussets welded into various corners of the chassis for strengthening, but not all had the large tapered support from the transmission bridge to the engine bay side wall. The other options were just that- some were optioned with rear window demister and some with radio etc. Pretty sure the Ferrero dished all leather wheel was used when they ran out of the flat leather/ wood wheels- last 5 cars I think. All cars, including the last still have the chassis number stamped onto various parts and hand written to interior panels etc. The finish using lead wiping also seemed consistent from early to late cars. As with any hand finished cars there will always be some differences that can not be explained and maybe this just adds to the mystique of the Mangusta production...
Mike
Mike
Mike,
Whilst looking at these cars, did you notice the style of front/rear calipers by chance?
I was thinking that some may have had a 3 piston front caliper???????
Normal (what's that??!) would seem to be the CR 2 piston caliper up front with an ORA 2 piston caliper out back, with a sprinkling of 12/3 3-piston calipers (marked Fiat Girling...cast iron) out back.
Cheers!
Steve
Whilst looking at these cars, did you notice the style of front/rear calipers by chance?
I was thinking that some may have had a 3 piston front caliper???????
Normal (what's that??!) would seem to be the CR 2 piston caliper up front with an ORA 2 piston caliper out back, with a sprinkling of 12/3 3-piston calipers (marked Fiat Girling...cast iron) out back.
Cheers!
Steve
wrt documentation...does anyone no if anyone has the factory documentation on each car or was it lost when Detomaso folded?
Thanx
Mark
Thanx
Mark
Hi Steve, Right hand drive cars had the 3 piston front calipers and the 2 piston rear callipers. No manufacturer name on castings, however look like Girling and I got seals etc to rebuild them from Crosthwaite & Gardiner in the UK. Mike