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Yes the mangusta has an engine bay light, the OE mechanical voltage regulator is a Bosch p.n. 0190601006 it has a yellow tape sealing the cover ( other models have a green or or orange) later electronic models by Bosch have no tape and a shorter cover whereas jobber ones are totally different

I am somewhat surprised at the carb alignment (my car's autolite is long gone) but the fuel feed should be in front. Will have to pull vintage magazine pics.
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Doug, The main concern would be more the fuel line runs on the intake and may cause vapor lock and the pedal cable is crossing over. I wouldn't think DeT would pull the carbs and flip them.

I looked thru all my old mags, none have the air cleaner off for pics.
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Originally posted by Denis C:
Doug, The main concern would be more the fuel line runs on the intake and may cause vapor lock and the pedal cable is crossing over. I wouldn't think DeT would pull the carbs and flip them.

I looked thru all my old mags, none have the air cleaner off for pics.


Really? Well guess what, the throttle lever on the carb on the Mustang is on the drivers side. The throttle rod pulls it back towards the driver.

The choke plate is on the primaries, which are in the FRONT of the carb. That carb is backwards.

I just learned something here about the Mangusta, provided that is an original setup. The carb is mounted reversed. Probably for the throttle cable linkage?

Look at the throttle return spring bracket on the valve cover. That's not stock Ford.

Does anyone have vintage pictures that show that bracket location on the valve cover also, even if the carb can't be seen in the picture? That would tend to indicate that these are original set up, no?

Very interesting set up.

Now having said all of that, the quantity of "original" US Mangusta engine pictures I've seen counting these two...is two. Wink

NOW I'M INTERESTED in seeing more "original" pics too! Big Grin

I've been combing the net for pictures too and apparently they are as scarce as hens teeth.

There are a couple with the air cleaners on but that doesn't settle much?
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I have been hunting for photos of the original setup and come up with next to nothing, too. Makes it very difficult for restoration!

I can almost believe that this "backwards" carb is the original setup. I purchased a 1969 4300 carb to put into my car, and I was disappointed to find out that it would not fit in the standard way as the shaft bracket is in the way. There is no way to mount it in the traditional way without moving or removing the shaft and shaft bracket. I didn't think of putting the carb in backwards, but it would probably fit that way in a Mangusta. IF the autolite 4300 is the correct Mangusta carb, I think this is possible.
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combing the provamo website, I found two other Mangustas (with vins about 30 and 60 higher than Lee's car), that also has throttle linkage on the passenger side of the car. One has the exact same spring bracket on the valve cover!

By the way, does anyone know of any vendor that sells Mangusta tire pressure stickers for the drivers side door?


Can you post those pictures here or at least post a link to them? I'd like to see those also.

To answer DenisC, yes, I can believe Detomaso did this, i.e., mounting the carb backwards. It is a simple solution to what would otherwise be a complex problem.

vvv here is a scan from Petersens "Complete Ford Book" dated 1972.

It is from an article about modifying the engine in a Mangusta. There are no details given about the car itself such as the serial number, owners name, or model year.

This is the passenger side valve cover. I don't see the extra tab on it for the throttle return spring that is shown in the above picture, for the reversed carb.

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While we are into the engine, here is another scan from the same article.

That exhaust manifold looks like a "log type header" to me, like that shown for the Longchamp.

I have seen pictures where the stock Ford 302 cast iron log exhaust manifold is shown on the 'goose..

Found the discussion of 'goose headers here. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/...50045562/m/624103536

I think that what is happening is that there are going to be variations on the Mangustas as far as these kinds of details.

Good luck on trying to document anything as "factory original" on these cars. Wink

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Originally posted by vyprgt2:
Interesting vintage photos- I had not seen those.

I tried last night to post photos from the provamo website, not sure it is possible, but will try again.

Can you tell from the photo in the book that was scanned if the spark plug wires say autolite and "radio resistance" as per correct Ford wiring of the time?


No. It is a wonder that the scan came out this clear as it is.

You can see that there is white printing on the wires, but when I enlarge it, there isn't enough resolution in the scan to read it at all.

I can say that question came up the other day in relation to original Shelby GT350's and the answer is that radio surpression wire sets were not installed on the engines at the Cleveland assembly plant.

They were available as service sets through the Ford parts program.

If I extrapolate that to the Detomaso's then I would think that the 302 was purchased as a "crate engine" and as such it was the exact engine that was being installed into Ford domestic 1968 model year vehicles.

If that is so, then the answer is no. Radio suppression wires should not be standard equipment on these engines.

I wonder why you are concerned with that detail though.

There is no judged concourse for these cars that I know of in the US. Even if there was, it would be very difficult to find someone qualified enough to judge the car for originality.
<<No. It is a wonder that the scan came out this clear as it is.>> Oh, well- they are fantastic nonetheless. I think we all agree that vintage photos of Mangusta engine compartments are unbelievably scarce.

You are probably correct about gt350 , but 68-70 289s and 302s came with autolite radio resistance spark plug wires. Why am I concerned- well, I have totally incorrect accel gray wires on my car, and it deserves better. For my own satisfaction, I would like to return the car to reasonably "correct" condition where possible.

Can't drag photos from the website: http://www.provamo.com/login.asp. From another website, here is 1032 http://www.mangustainternation...1032/8ma1032-004.jpg and 982 http://www.mangustainternation...ma982/8ma982-003.jpg

Looking at all the cars, 1046, 1048, 1108 and 1126 all clearly show the spring mount for throttle on passenger side valve cover. Vast majority of cars do not have original valve covers anymore. Throttle links clearly on passenger side of 1078 and 1032. 982 has what appears to be "backwards" 4300 but couldn't really tell much else. I am becoming convinced that Lee's car's carb is correct, even though it seemed to surprise us.

Maybe for the later cars, once the 4300 appeared, DeTomaso just switched the orientation of the carb? My theory is the scan above is of an early car with a carb that can be mounted in the traditional direction (a 4100 carb presumably)
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The press that I read was that European delivered Mangustas had a 289hp engine. Those shipped to the US were supplied with the 68 302 4v.

That right there is a difference in the carburetors, 4100 vs. 4300.

If you want wires that look more correct, then you want black AUTOLITE labeled wires, not Motorcraft.

Not so sure about the radio suppression wires on the 68 Mustangs and Shelbys. I personally am using the blue 8mm silicone Ford labeled wires on both my Pantera and my 68 GT350.

I always like to throw whatever I know into a discussion. My philosophy is that even if I am wrong and the part is "incorrect", it stirs up a discussion and gets others involved who would never be involved normally. All benefit from the revealed information and the "corrections". Big Grin

I'd like to see some input on the exhaust manifolds on the Mangusta's also. I'm not entirely convinced that the iron manifolds all clear the chassis.

The 289hp in particular is a type of a cast header. It does hug the block but even so in the Mustang it requires it's own clutch z-bar to clear it.

Not having a 'goose, but always on the lookout for the one that is destined for me, the picture I posted of the exhaust manifold lends me to believe there are special considerations in this chassis?

I would expect that there are tube headers made for the car at sometime? Those I would like to see.

I discovered purely by accident that the 69 351w cast iron exhaust manifolds are like a larger version of the 289hp iron manifolds. They use a 2-1/4" OD exhaust pipe vs. a 2" on the 289 and adapt well to a 2-1/2" od exhaust pipe.

I have a set here that were "ported", or port matched to a Mr.Gasket exhaust gasket and definitely improve the flow of the exhaust system.

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