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You can also use the stock rear caliper as a parking brake with wider than stock rotors. In fact, Wilkinson uses stock rear calipers with 1.25" wide rotors. He splits the caliper mounting bracket and welds it back together with two pieces of stock, of the appropriate thickness, added between the two halves. He also makes longer pad retaining pins. The only knock against using the stock rear caliper as a parking brake is it's a bit heavy for the application. I've seen guys drill a bunch of lightening holes in the bracket and machine the hydraulic portion off of the caliper, in an effort to lighten the assembly.

I used a parking brake caliper made by Stop Tech. It's called the ST-10 (http://www.stoptech.com/Products/BBK/caliper_descriptions.shtml) and it works brilliantly. It's compact and holds the car on a very steep grade without any problem. It could also be lighter but it's still the best parking brake solution I've come across.

The problem is, it's not an inexpensive way to go. If I were doing it all over, I'd use the stock rear calipers as a parking brake.
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15 years ago, I mounted up a pair of Wilwood Go-Kart cable brake calipers to our L model's stock rear rotors, since I'd already changed the rear brake calipers to a more reasonable size (that could actually stop the car...). The Wilwood calipers were less than $100 a pair and the custom mounting bracket was not too difficult to fabricate. I've since made another pair of mounts for a friend who had trouble duplicating my setup. The stock Pantera brake cable adapted onto the little calipers easily. The loose pucks do rattle a bit, though. This is the same rig that Pantera East sells for both Panteras and Vipers although his bracket is different and the calipers are engraved 'Pantera'. I do not patent my adaptions; free for all....
When I look at the size of the pads for the aftermarket" parking brakes, they are very similar to the Panteras stock rear pads to me.

The idea of using the stock Pantera caliper, modified to the thicker rotor actually isn't a bad idea. Clever actually.

I actually have an 11.75"od x 1.1" vented rotor here from my 07 Fusion. It actually weighs a little more then 2 pounds more then the 11.73"od x 1.24"thick Tbird rotors. So, sofar, I see little disadvantage to running that Tbird front rotor.

I've gotta say that at this point I think the best rear rotor to run on the Pantera is the Mustang front 11.3" x .81" vented rotor. The offset is exact and the difference in od is nominal.

Now calipers. The Wilwoods are really nice. The six piston Superlite for the front is probably my choice. It is kind of pricey though. Can't argue that it is half the weight of the big Lincoln 4 piston calipers. Those have 4 1.65" pistons and are very easy to adapt to the front Pantera hubs. So will the Wilwoods. 4 piston Wilwoods are cheaper by quite a bit. No decision made here yet but I have my Wish List. Wink

The rears will work nicely with the four piston Wilwood Superlite calipers I think. Again, pretty simple to adapt.

I have to pull off my master cylinder to measure the bore. I have Halls polished unit on there and never thought of measuring the cylinder bore before I installed it.

I have as it turns out, the original master cylinder from the Boss"Trans-Am" kit on my Shelby. Interesting because the number stamped into the side, the suffix, can't be found in cross reference anywhere. It measures about 1-5/16" bore.

It is thought that it was sourced from an F series truck of the era. It has a much larger reservoir then the stock Mustang but bolts right up to the stock mounts, and is rebuild-able. Interesting.

Yes the pedal is hard but it requires so little travel to move the brakes I find it very easy to use. You don't have to stand on it at all to get braking. Just touch it.

I'm not sure the Pantera needs anywhere near that kind of pressure. 1-1/8" bore is most likely more then adequate for the most severe conditions.

One of the brake vendors, who shall remain nameless, told me (confided?) that the reason he recommends a 1-1/8" bore is because he got to many complaints about the pedal hardness on anything larger. Not the pedal effort mind you...the hardness. Ironic. To me that's what I like about the big bore?

Firmness in a car offers me comfort. Softness...is discomforting. Personal preferences I suppose? Razzer
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Originally posted by Bosswrench: .....The loose pucks do rattle a bit, though. This is the same rig that Pantera East sells for both Panteras and Vipers although his bracket is different and the calipers are engraved 'Pantera'.


Last I knew Marino and all other Vendors were sourcing those calipers from IPSCO and those are not Wilwood mechanicals.

Best,
K
This started as a spindle discussion and seemed to branch into a brake discussion. Has anyone used or seen this setup from Wilwood...it's a full kit for a 65-69 Mustang brake upgrade using the V8 front spindles which is what I've gathered from this thread is what the Pantera has???

http://www.wilwood.com/BrakeKi...spx?itemno=140-11072

For $825 you get everything you need: rotors, hats, forged hubs, calipers, bracket to mount the calipers, bearings, everything. It comes with 4 piston forged Dynalite calipers with a 12.19 diameter rotor. So if this fits, its a great way to upgrade the front brakes.

If that isn't good enough, for $1091 you can get the same kit with the Wilwood 6 piston Dynapro Calipers.

http://www.wilwood.com/BrakeKi...ake+V-8+Spindle+Only.

There are a bunch of variations on these kits with drilled and slotted rotors.

This would work great with the Sacc Restorations Rear Caliper kit for $499.

Has anyone tried one of these?
You're got to check for clearance with 15" wheels with this kit. It really isn't set up for them.

If you're asking if they will fit the Pantera hub, the answer should be no. The Pantera uses the same wheel bearings as the Mustang up to 1970. The od is the same but the id is smaller to fit onto the smaller sized spindle.

At that point the size of the spindle on the Mustang was enlarged. It uses the same od diameter bearings but larger id bearings at that point to fit onto the larger Mustang hub.

The spindle that you want to find for the Mustang to race it would be the '70+ or '70-1/2 and up DRUM BRAKE spindle. That is ONLY because the adapter for the big Lincoln brake calipers is made for that hub since the cast in bolt flange is heftier then the disc brake spindle.

Interesting though that Wilwood references that spindle in the specs?
According to the Wilwood site these kits are for 15" wheels....I have 17's in front 18's in the rear, so I have no clearance issues, in fact they have larger kits available for wheels with my sizing.

Do a vehicle search on the Wilwood site for their big brake kits...put in the 66 mustang V8 and it comes up with these kits. Doug, one of your previous posts was that the spindles were smaller until 69 or 70 when they were enlarged, but that the 66 matched the Pantera. That would also make sense if a 66 mustang one piece rotor/hub will fit our Pantera spindles. NO?

My other question was if the caliper mount bracket that comes with the kit is a direct bolt up to the Pantera spindle. If this fits a 66 mustang spindle (which is the same as the Pantera???) and the kit comes with a forged hub that is matched to the hat/rotor and all this is engineered by Wilwood together, this is an awesome kit.
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Originally posted by Tom@Seal Beach:
According to the Wilwood site these kits are for 15" wheels....I have 17's in front 18's in the rear, so I have no clearance issues, in fact they have larger kits available for wheels with my sizing.

>I just read it and it says it will fit SOME 15" wheels, and to check for clearance to be sure by checking the distance from the center line of the hub.
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Do a vehicle search on the Wilwood site for their big brake kits...put in the 66 mustang V8 and it comes up with these kits. Doug, one of your previous posts was that the spindles were smaller until 69 or 70 when they were enlarged, but that the 66 matched the Pantera. That would also make sense if a 66 mustang one piece rotor/hub will fit our Pantera spindles. NO?
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>I would think the hub will fit the Pantera spindle,yes, but cavete emptor.

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My other question was if the caliper mount bracket that comes with the kit is a direct bolt up to the Pantera spindle. If this fits a 66 mustang spindle (which is the same as the Pantera???) and the kit comes with a forged hub that is matched to the hat/rotor and all this is engineered by Wilwood together, this is an awesome kit.[/QUOTE]

>It depends on two things whether it needs an adapter or not. Well actually three
1) Girling brakes are built on roughly a 3" bolt mounting spacing
2) US are something like 5" spacing
3)The hats are made is standardized depths. Many times you will need to shim the caliper to center it onto the rotor. You can make a spacer to eliminate that if you want to mill one half of it down to adjust for that.

You can buy a Wilwood caliper with either bolt spacing. If this kit is intended for a US car with a US spindle, then the caliper mounting bolt spacing is 5". The Pantera spacing will be 3". It will need a spacer for that alone.

2)Wilwoods are "generic" calipers and can fit various size od rotors. In order for the caliper to sit on the rotor with maximum pad fitment to the rotor (sitting on the outside edge of the rotor) it probably would need a spacer for that.

Now if you have the time, and skill, you could hack a spacer out of 3/8" or 1/2" thick steel plate. You could use a hard grade of aluminum plate too but don't tell anyone.

People that are selling premade kits usually have a Cad 2007 or better program that they detail the adapter plate on and then cut it on a plasma cutter. That makes making the adapters no sweat once you have the detail of them correct. Then they send it out for powder coating.

If you want to do it by hand figure a few days for that and then a couple of weeks for your hands and fingers to heal up from the nicks and scratches. Ooye! Eeker

Most of the time you are paying the dealer for his knowledge on putting the kit together for you and for the adapter plates. Guaranty few will sell you just the adapter. Even if they did, it isn't going to be cheap.
Cool....I think I'll order the 6 piston caliper kit.

Doug do you know if the bolt pattern for the 4 bolts at the spindle base matches that of the mustang? If it does then item #1 (in the Parts blow up of kit, see link below)shows a very nice caliper mounting bracket that would match the 6 piston caliper. If it doesn't I have a client that did machine work for a nascar team that can make a really nice bracket.

parts diagram
http://www.wilwood.com/BrakeKi...ake+V-8+Spindle+Only.
The Dynapro 6 Big Brake Front Brake Kit, says that it is for the 70 Mustang drum brake spindle.

I did some mocking up with a Kelsey Hayes brake caliper, which has the 5 inch bolt spacing, and the Pantera front spindle.

I decided that it is a bad match. There is insufficient room to make an adapter.

What that means is if you are buying that kit from Wilwood for your Pantera, you're going to have problem making an adapter for it. There isn't enough room for the adapter.

In other words a Mustang kit will not work on the Pantera.

You need to get a Wilwood caliper with a 3" bolt spacing, which this kit doesn't have.
Here's the vehicles directly from the Wilwood fitment guide for the Dynapro...I searched by vehichle 1966 Ford Mustang V8 Disc Brakes.Leads me to believe the same spindles were used in many different vehicles. Is says it fits Mustangs from 65-70, it also covers 70 GT 350's & 500's.


WILWOOD FRONT BRAKE KIT - VEHICLE COMPATIBILITY LISTING
Kit Type 1: BRAKE KIT: Dynapro 6 Big Brake Front Brake Kit (Hub)
Spindle Type:
Factory Drum Spindle ; Factory Disc Spindle;
VEHICLE MAKE: VEHICLE MODELS:

Ford Ford Fairlane 1966-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Fairlane 1966-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Falcon 1970 All Drum Brake Front thru 8/24/69
Ford Ford Falcon 1967-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Falcon 1965-1966 Disc Brake V-8 Spindle Only.
Ford Ford Falcon 1967-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Falcon 1965-1966 Drum Brake V-8 Spindle Only.
Ford Ford Maverick 1970 All Drum Brake Front thru 8/24/69
Ford Ford Mustang 1967-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Mustang 1970 Disc Brake GT350 & 500 only.
Ford Ford Mustang 1965-1966 Disc Brake V-8 Spindle Only.
Ford Ford Mustang 1967-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Mustang 1965-1966 Drum Brake V-8 Spindle Only.
Ford Ford Ranchero 1966-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Ranchero 1965 Disc Brake V-8 Spindle Only.
Ford Ford Ranchero 1966-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Ranchero 1965 Drum Brake V-8 Spindle Only.
Ford Ford Torino 1968-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Torino 1968-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.
Mercury Mercury Comet 1967-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Mercury Mercury Comet 1965-1966 Disc Brake V-8 Spindle Only.
Mercury Mercury Comet 1967-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.
Mercury Mercury Comet 1965-1966 Drum Brake V-8 Spindle Only.
Mercury Mercury Cougar 1967-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Mercury Mercury Cougar 1967-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.
Mercury Mercury Cyclone 1967-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Mercury Mercury Cyclone 1967-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.
Mercury Mercury Montego 1968-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Mercury Mercury Montego 1968-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.
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Originally posted by Tom@Seal Beach:
Here's the vehicles directly from the Wilwood fitment guide for the Dynapro...I searched by vehichle 1966 Ford Mustang V8 Disc Brakes.Leads me to believe the same spindles were used in many different vehicles. Is says it fits Mustangs from 65-70, it also covers 70 GT 350's & 500's.


WILWOOD FRONT BRAKE KIT - VEHICLE COMPATIBILITY LISTING
Kit Type 1: BRAKE KIT: Dynapro 6 Big Brake Front Brake Kit (Hub)
Spindle Type:
Factory Drum Spindle ; Factory Disc Spindle;
VEHICLE MAKE: VEHICLE MODELS:

Ford Ford Fairlane 1966-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Fairlane 1966-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Falcon 1970 All Drum Brake Front thru 8/24/69
Ford Ford Falcon 1967-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Falcon 1965-1966 Disc Brake V-8 Spindle Only.
Ford Ford Falcon 1967-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Falcon 1965-1966 Drum Brake V-8 Spindle Only.
Ford Ford Maverick 1970 All Drum Brake Front thru 8/24/69
Ford Ford Mustang 1967-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Mustang 1970 Disc Brake GT350 & 500 only.
Ford Ford Mustang 1965-1966 Disc Brake V-8 Spindle Only.
Ford Ford Mustang 1967-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Mustang 1965-1966 Drum Brake V-8 Spindle Only.
Ford Ford Ranchero 1966-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Ranchero 1965 Disc Brake V-8 Spindle Only.
Ford Ford Ranchero 1966-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Ranchero 1965 Drum Brake V-8 Spindle Only.
Ford Ford Torino 1968-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Ford Ford Torino 1968-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.
Mercury Mercury Comet 1967-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Mercury Mercury Comet 1965-1966 Disc Brake V-8 Spindle Only.
Mercury Mercury Comet 1967-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.
Mercury Mercury Comet 1965-1966 Drum Brake V-8 Spindle Only.
Mercury Mercury Cougar 1967-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Mercury Mercury Cougar 1967-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.
Mercury Mercury Cyclone 1967-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Mercury Mercury Cyclone 1967-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.
Mercury Mercury Montego 1968-1969 Disc Brake Front Spindle.
Mercury Mercury Montego 1968-1969 Drum Brake Front Spindle.


Yes...it will fit your Mustang well. Big Grin
Just a comment about front brake performance. I have the Byers, Willwood 4 piston calipers and hats all around, and the larger rotors up front. Had to add a proportioner (pressure reducer) on the front circuit because the front brakes were too powerful. Locked up easily.

The car stops like a mad dog now, but know that if you improve the brakes with modern components, the fronts will need to be dialed back.
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