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colour dilema

joulesjoules"Racing is Life, anything before or after is just waiting" - Steve McQueen
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PD: I think dark colors look best on the Pantera.


Absolutely agree, but black goes too far towards the 'dark side of the force'.

There's a number of good examples of blue cars out there. I have some pics of a GT5 and 'LOCNLOD' a GT4 conversion that look great in blue. I posted a pic of 'LOCNLOD' in a mirror discussion a few weeks ago.

Bestr dark maroon example has to be 'DOES200'

Here's another example in blue, no idea who's car it is though;

Julian

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L lastpushbutton (Guest)
Doug, Sometimes, some people think my car is orange. I belive it to be an original red. That is what I ordered when i painted it anyway. It is not a viper, or farrari red.. I tell BD somthing else..I have never painted a car Blue that did not turn out beutiful, something about blue just works. George, ilike that coloour too. BD, Did you see the blacked out hood in the pic from rapier?

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L lastpushbutton (Guest)
Bulldog, On the question of painting over what you got. That would depend on what colour you decide to go with. You could use a solid, non metallic color and a good quality urethane and cover what you have with 2-3 coats. If you decide you want a translucent metallic colour like on Johnny Woods' beutiful candy burgandy car that may require up to 10 coats or more....that may begin to get too thick. How long has your car been painted?
George PGeorge PAdmin.
The topic of paint color is one of those topics that draws lots of input. and any post with pictures of cars draws lots of interest. Combine the too and Bill is right, this can go one a very long time.

The blue paint on the car I posted earlier is a BMW biarritz blue, it is so dark, that unless the sun is hitting it, it looks black.

I'm a sucker for blue too. anything blue, there is just an appeal to my eye & emotions that I find very very attractive.

Take a brunette in a blue dress for instance, oh my!
mark5872mark5872Member
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Originally posted by bulldog:

The prevoius owner put a double coat of everything on. You can tell from one large stone chip the thickness of the paintwork. People have commented that if there is too much paint, it will have to be striped to the metal because paint over thick paint will eventually cause rippling.
How true is this? If this is the case an expensive bare metal respray is the cure.




http://www.ppg.com/refinishftpsite/docs/RR_V-65-1.pdf

Go to page 22 of the PDF it talks about too much paint.

Regards Mark 6808
panteradougpanteradougMember
LPB, the orange car isn't your car, it doesn't have pushbuttons.
My red is very close to the original orange that was on my car.
I didn't realize mine was orange until I found overspray.
I'm not going to be able to get any painting done here until the temps stabilize somewhat.
It's 35 degrees.
I can't paint in this. Even if I turn on the heat the car will sweat.
There is a Lincoln metallic blue which is at least as dark as the BMW color George posted.
The GM midnight blue metallic is very dark as well.
I have to get my mechanicals done before I can screw with the paint.
Again, this all depends on the weather temps coming up and the humidity staying reasonable.
I need to decide on the color first.
I don't look forward to scraping the door jambs and deck lid gutters again.
I can't even open the garage door. I've got 20 mph NW winds everyday.
I've got to clean up ten bags of leaves, blown up against the door daily. Can't do much until this crap stops.
Just flooded the car out trying to start it because I was hurrying. Webers don't like this weather. For that matter the Holley DP didn't either.
L lastpushbutton (Guest)
Right Doug, The orange car was just in my files. My car is the red button.......well it looks red until you see it next to candy apple or viper red. Then it looks oranger or less red that those colors. I prepared a car for paint today.But the weather here su$ks too. ................................................Mark, I read page 22...there is a lot we don't know about his paint, notice one of my questions...how long has it been painted? Keep driving to see if it fails in any way..like a crack. I would hate to take a perferrrct job back to metal just to change color. Think of all the block and build back!! If Bulldog has 3 well cured coats of quality enamel or uerthane. I would cut it and paint it any color. I would think 2wice about painting over clear. What if it seperated from its base, or got those little spots under?
panteradougpanteradougMember
Yup, with this wind, there will be dust in the paint inside.
Bulldog, I actually like the color of your car. I thought you were talking about the dark green.
LPB, what do you do with the Pantera windshield with paint? Pull it out or paint to it?
Last fall I had thought that I had decided that I liked the dark Jeep metallic red, urethane with clearcoat.
Now I'm back to square one.
L lastpushbutton (Guest)
Doug, when I do spot jobs or panel repairs ,I use base clear. Lately for a couple of years i have stayed away from base clear all over jobs unless they are mettalic. I think red is the first color to let its clearcoat come off.More so with metallic red. The problem comes to the fact that metallic is just that flakes in the paint. When you try to buff it you expose the flakes and they are neither flat or glossy. Metallic colors need clearcoat so they can be buffed. Many single stage paints exist that are metallic. BUT you are pretty much stuck with what you sprayed. For a car like a Pantera, that may not be the correct procedure. Of course if you keep your clearcoated car in the garage and properly protected it will last a long time. Most cars that Ipaint stay out in the weather....Bless their hearts Wink Oh Yea! Pull the glass, just make sure you have a good seal. I cut mine from the inside and ruined it, I had another, used but not cut.
panteradougpanteradougMember
You are making me remember...yes metallic doesn't buff out well. I never thought of why until you just mentioned it. I would always try to shoot a gloss coat and leave it alone.
Actually, I don't think the Jeep color was a metallic. Just a very dark red. Almost maroon.
I don't like custom blended colors. I never learned to mix color so I rely on a factory exact blend. Helps in the future if I need to touch up.
You say that single stage urethane is superior. That does make sense, no clear to fail.
Now I have to think how many coats to shoot so I can color sand and buff.
I had a problem on the rear fenders near the Pantera taillights last time.
Shot about 12-14 double coats. California custom laquer job like I learned as a kid. Buffed through on the first pass. Top coat has failed over time. No shrinking or cracking. It's microflaking off of the primer/surfacer. Primer is nice and tight. This may be a blessing in disguse. I painted it in '86 so I have no complaints.
I may be able to take the laquer color off with wet sanding. Then I can seal it with urethane primer and shoot. What do ya think?
I understand what you say about clear over urethane. I see clear peeling from repairs all the time. But two stage is easier. You shoot color until it's covered, clear it and buff the clear.
Not only do I need to pick my color, I need to pick my system too.
Problems, problems, or should I say advantages, disadvantages. I'm just thinking out loud here.
My neighbor has a body shop, said $10,000 to paint the Pantera.
If it warms up in April like it should I might do it then.
I hope you guys keep posting good color shots.
It's helping "stimulate" my color process.
Incidentally, snow headed at you LPB, I'm on the other side with no snow but 30mph gusts. VA is gonna get 4-6".
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by bulldog:
What do you think ??

Mark


Well, my friend, if it was my car, I wouldn't paint it unless there was a really pressing need. I love that colour on it. It is very '70s cool and quite unique. Only thing I'd do is paint the rockers and lower rear area black (see my car attached). Great looking car! Best of luck with whichever direction you go.

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panteradougpanteradougMember
Anybody got a picture of that Suburu blue? It's too dark to go looking outside now? There's one of those up the street but people got guns. Hum that's it gun blue? Yea, what do ya think? Almost black right? That would have to be a candy color over a silver base. OOO, I think I'm in luv.
Ya know there's a woman that has a web page that goes by the name of Tangerine Dream (don't ask me how I know that, I'll deny it). I wonder if that orange Montreal car was her's? I'll bet it was. Oh baby I hope she likes my Webers!
L lastpushbutton (Guest)
Doug, Do yourself a favor and look at colors of cars you see on the street that stand out. We can get the code and come up with the right procedure for that colour, and what you want. "Knowing what you want is half of having it" You can quote me on that if you like, I have seen a Mistubihi red that looks great on an Eclipse about a 02-3 model. colour is in the eye of the beholder...thanks for starting BD..
Pantera 3rd&LastPantera 3rd&LastMember
When I was on the search for my first Pantera back in 76 I drove 3 hours to look at what I thought would be a BRG Pantera. Little did I know that it would be LIME green.

The car was nice but I just could not get warm and fuzzy with the color.

Strangely ,while restoring the red Pantera I end up buying , I bought a X-19 as a driver that was the same lime green.

Pantera # 2 as my first is red. And no I am not a prancing horse wannabee. With all due respect to all of you and we know color choice is a personal thing.

The correct color for a Pantera is RED.
panteradougpanteradougMember
LPB, the last time I did that it involved bail and restraining orders.
I know the red I like. Mike Dailey's. If I'm going to find a blue it will have to be some kind of a killer color.
That's a big switch from red to blue. It is literally from one end of the spectrum to the other. It also changes the personality of the car as well. Purple won't cut it either. I've already seen "Plumb Crazy" on a Pantera. It's not my way.
Thanks Johnny, that Subaru is a very pretty blue.
I know what color I wwas thinking of.
If you remember 65, Shelby's Ford GT's were dark blue. I think that was what I was trying to remember.
I've got to see if I can find the BMW blue on a car. That's a nice color.
I'm not as confused as I might seem about the color. I'm working on it.
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Originally posted by Joules5:
BD,

I have had much the same dilema, having acquired a green Pantera in Nov last year. Mine is the later BRG type green and I have to admit the color does grow on you after a while. It has been repainted the origional color at some point, although there is a lot of crazing and it will need a repaint. That'll come after the addition of GT4 flares and I think the color will suit the wider GT4 stance...we'll see.

For me being a Brit, the BRG is growing on me. I had a Triumph Stag years ago in the same color. I'm relishing turning up at events in an original color car where the likelihood of having more than one other P car the same color is small.

Here's some of thoughts to mix it up a little on color choices;

A) The guys that steer you to red are mostly wanna be Ferrari guys Big Grin. Too many Ferrari's out there and even more 'uneducated' people who think you have a Ferrari..Take the confusion out of it, don't go red.
B) Black seems a popular choice at present; Anomolous to Kids names these things go in phases, be different.. buck the trend or start a new one!
C) Having owned two black Vette's in hot climate zones I swore I'd never have another black car, especially one that is renowned for being hot inside (I actually melted a portable CD player, left in a Vette during summer).
D)Black can be a 'Bitchen' color but a 'Bitch' to keep clean and looking the way it should.
D) Don't go white....you just can't find your white car in the snow Big Grin

If I ever did change color it would be to a dark blue, Panteras look good dressed in blue. But for now green it is....

You said you are a Brit...but, where's Reno. I haven't got a clue about any areas outside North London. It seems that we have a lot in common. Both got green Panteras and are planning to do GT4 conversions.
Are you fabricating your own flares or buying from a vendor?

Julian
panteradougpanteradougMember
That car is nice and strait Rapier.
My neighbor just got one of those Cadillac SUV trucks.
I thought it was black but it is actually very very dark blue. I have a dark blue Buick and there is an '02 'vette also the same color. It looks brighter on the 'vette.
I don't think I like it. It's kind of a blah color. I'm back to the dark red, non-metallic again.
Remember the old adage, when in doubt, paint it red.
jeff6559jeff6559Member
Several thoughts:

1. Repaints always chip easier than the original paint. It's a good way to tell if a car has been repainted. Try a clear bra from 3M.

2. I'd definitely take the windshield out or rope it at the least for a repaint. If you take it to the edge of the rubber only, that's sure to fail at some point.

3. If the paint on the car now is in good shape, it makes a good base to block sand the surface. Use a long block and you'll really get at those annoying little depressions that came stock with the car.

4. If you decide to take it down to bare metal, get the lead out, and do the chassis stiffening/welding/doublers at the four corners, the roof to rear quarters weld, and the A pillars. A little preventive maintenance that will keep the paint from cracking at those points in the future.

5. Single stage metallic? Sounds like a bad idea. Buffing and/or wet sanding will expose the metal flakes which doesn't look good.

6. Red cars always win the trophies. So says the owner of a Biarritz Blue Pantera here in Dallas. That blue sure looks good with his tan leather interior!

7. If your deck lid black, then your hood(bonnet) also needs to be black as in the GTS cars.

This has been a fun thread!

Jeff
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