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Anybody with the Fluidyne Radiator with the twin sucker fans mounted by PI better check the fan area against the fins and tubes for any wear on the radiator.

My radiator started leaking, well, actually flowing coolant out of the fan side. Pulled it today and found one of the fans was mounted too close to the radiator and when it was running it was cutting a circle area into the fins & tubes about a 6" circle worth until it finally cut through about 4 to 6 of the tubes. This was happening on the secondary fan which I hardly ever had to run so it took awhile to show up.

Radiator is at the shop being repaired and the shop is fabricating a shroud to hold the fans to the radiator so they don't actually touch the radiator at all when running. Will get it back probably tomorrow.

Nothing against PI MotorSports, Jerry's great people and a friend...Sh*t happens.

But if you have this set up, you might want to check before it happens to you and you get stranded somewhere a long way from home.
(That's if you actually drive your car a long way from home)
LOL... Big Grin
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Reliability... You have to drive it every day to know....they asked Lindburg why he flew across the ocean with only one motor..His response..the less engines..the less chance of having engine failure... If I could figure what was going to go wrong next....I would fix it in advance..Coz you have to make it bullet proof..and then some, or you could just baby it around...not an option Wink
Waiting to see how the numbers play out. I own the Pantera (no payments), so now it just comes down to the payment and terms on the Diablo.
I expect to hear by Monday what my banker has to say as to how long and how much monthly. I'm looking at 2 different ones that I know are coming from well taken care of owners, a 1996 VT and a 2001 VT.

I'd like to keep the Pantera so thats what I'm trying to do if at all possible. But it's all about payments....

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Originally posted by Mark#6808:
Dang Coz, we have to wait until Monday? Roll Eyes
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Coz, I have trouble seeing how a Pantera type, especially one like you where you have been such an enthusiastic owner and so active in the Pantera community, would be a long term, happy Lambo owner. (Unless, of course, it was your backup car!!!)

It's not about the speed or the cool factor. It's about community, it's the knowledge that you can get you get grease under your fingernails should you want to, it's the hot rod capability to make the car better, it's knowing the what makes the car tick.

Bob Smith, one of the better Ferrari resto shops in the nation, calls modern exotics, "throw away" cars. They have no soul. Too much electronics for the enthusiast to really get into their cars.

I know I'm stereotyping. But in my mind, it's like the difference between a Lexus owner and a BMW owner. Both are luxurious, both are cool. One's an appliance and one's a driver's car.

Heck, next thing you know, you'll be asking about extended warranties for the Lambo. Come to your senses man!! %^))

Jeff
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PS. I hope you'll still hang around with us whichever way you go.
Not sure yet Mike. It all comes down to the numbers which I'm waiting to see. If I can keep the Pantera by going with the 96, than that's probably the way I'll go. The 01 would probably requirer selling the Pantera because the difference in price Vs the 96 and would need the larger down payment to keep the payments within my budget. However what I can buy the 01 for is wholesale and that would put me in a major equity position of at least 25,000.00 from day one. I could drive it for a year and still sell it off for more than I paid for it.
I'm not in any big hurry, but the deals that have come up are from a couple of very close friends that I have known for years and trust.
Waiting to see where the $$$ fall.

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Originally posted by Cyboman:
Coz,

Are you definitely moving forward with a Diablo regardless of whether you can keep your Pantera or not?

Michael
Jeff,

I want to keep the Pantera and like I said I'll go with the 96 if that makes it work in order to do so. Love my Pantera, but there's just something about a Lamborghini that I also miss.

This will be my 3rd one. I can pretty much work on it as I do the Pantera and there is a network out there in the Lamborghini world for cross over parts and tech help. I have a great friend here where I live who is one of the best Lamborghini mechanic's in the US who has always opened up his shop, time and knowledge for me.

Either way, I'm not going anywhere. have too many friends that own Pantera's that I see all the time and work on their cars to not stay involved. And besides, I love the Pantera community and the people in it.

Nothing is a done deal yet. If all goes right, I'll have both. If that happens, I intend to tear the Pantera completely down to the frame this time, powder coat it and then rebuild it the way I have always wanted to do but never have because I drive it all the time.

Giving up the Pantera would be like giving up one of my kids at this point.
Actually all 4.....
Just kidding....
They are the best thing that ever happen to me.
(Besides the Pantera)

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Originally posted by jeff6559:
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Originally posted by Coz:
Giving up the Pantera would be like giving up one of my kids at this point.

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Ya gotta love this guy. He'd even give up one of kids to keep the Pantera.

Jeff
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Originally posted by http://www.PanteraPlace.com:
Diablos must be for very small short people. I tried my best and no way can I fit in one.


Mike, have you met Jim? lol...............

I'm sure he fits!

First of all, I want to say to Roland, my friend, you are the man. Just stomp those Lambos with your 7 liter Pantera, YEAH!!!!!!

Jim, I don't care what you drive, you are still Jim, that friendly, helpful, funny, energetic guy with a great attitude; and I am still your friend. If you want a Lambo, you deserve a Lambo. I think Lamborghinis are BITCHEN! If you acquire one, I want a ride!

your friend on the DTBB, George
So if I get one, that means I'd be in the wrong place as well.

Guess I'll never get to be a Pantera God now since I won't have 1000's of Karma points.

Bummer.



[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mark Mensen:
Josh the Lambo will never win a race of any length on this bulletin board its just the wrong place.
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Coz,

By all means move to the Diablo if possible. Remember, very little actual time is spent racing other cars, maybe 1 or 2 percent. The other 99 percent is you and your car. Also, remember that there will always be someone faster than you. My brother sent ma a video clip of a twin turbocharged street driven Z-06 running an 8.56 at 157 MPH. But who cares! The Corvette will never be a Pantera no matter how fast you make it, and my Pantera will never be a Lamborghini no matter how fast I make it.

The Diablo is a world reknowned exotic. Top shelf. It pulls a crowd everywhere you go, and everybody knows what it is. No one will ever lean out the window at a stop light and ask you "Is that a kit car?".

I hope to someday be in your position. And if the opportunity ever comes before me, I will not miss that boat!

Good luck on your raging Bull!

Steve
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Originally posted by Coz:
So if I get one, that means I'd be in the wrong place as well.

Guess I'll never get to be a Pantera God now since I won't have 1000's of Karma points.

Bummer.



[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mark Mensen:
Josh the Lambo will never win a race of any length on this bulletin board its just the wrong place.


Coz, but you're so close!

Smiler
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Originally posted by gandalfthegray:
Coz,

By all means move to the Diablo if possible. Remember, very little actual time is spent racing other cars, maybe 1 or 2 percent. The other 99 percent is you and your car. Also, remember that there will always be someone faster than you. My brother sent ma a video clip of a twin turbocharged street driven Z-06 running an 8.56 at 157 MPH. But who cares! The Corvette will never be a Pantera no matter how fast you make it, and my Pantera will never be a Lamborghini no matter how fast I make it.

The Diablo is a world reknowned exotic. Top shelf. It pulls a crowd everywhere you go, and everybody knows what it is. No one will ever lean out the window at a stop light and ask you "Is that a kit car?".

I hope to someday be in your position. And if the opportunity ever comes before me, I will not miss that boat!

Good luck on your raging Bull!

Steve



Steve, you're right. A Corvette will never be a Pantera. I love to give the throttle an extra blip every time I pass one! Big Grin

Now seeing a Lambo on the street... that would be just pure lust.

Josh
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Now seeing a Lambo on the street... that would be just pure lust.

Josh


I was passed by one last weekend here on 10 Fwy in California. It was yellow and had Nevada plates thats a nice road trip.

Just to let everybody know I wasnt driving the Pantera

We may of got off subject here Sorry! Coz I hope if all goes well you will have lots of pictures to show us.
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Originally posted by Coz:
This will be my 3rd one. I can pretty much work on it as I do the Pantera and there is a network out there in the Lamborghini world for cross over parts and tech help. I have a great friend here where I live who is one of the best Lamborghini mechanic's in the US who has always opened up his shop, time and knowledge for me.


Coz, Sounds to me like you'll still have the Pantera zeitgeist, it'll just be with the Lambo. I say go for it!

I'd like to make a motion. All those in favor of Coz keeping his karma points, say "aye."

Happy thanksgiving.

Jeff
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Hey guys,

It's not really all about speed, if it was, I'd be figuring out how to get a Saleen 7, McLaren or a Porsche 917 to drive. Of course I'd have to sell my house, wife and 4 kids to do so.
(re-thinking....naw, they'd never go for it :-)
I've had 2 Lamborghini's in my lifetime. A Muria SV and a Countach for a very, very short time. The Muria was my favorite and there's not a day that goes by that I wish I didn't sell it. But what did I know 30 years ago.

There is no doubt that many of you have Pantera's out there that are capable of chewing up Lamborghini's. In fact coming back from SEMA this year I pulled up to a light next to a VT in Valencia. When the light turned green, we were off. I pulled on him in 1st and again in second. At the next light all he could say was damm, that's a fast and nice car. Yea, I said, and yours is very beautiful. As with all things, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One mans treasure is another mans junk and vice versa.
But it's not all about speed, not with me anyway. Someone, somewhere is always going to be faster. That's just the way it is and I don't have to be fastest, badest or have the most karma points. For me it's the pure driving pleasure I feel inside. Why do you think I actually drive my Pantera so much, 12,000+ miles this year alone. How many others can say that ? My car is no garage queen in the slightest. If it sits, it's only because it broke and being fixed by me and then I'm back to driving it everyday. My Mercedes 400E gets driven maybe 20% of what the Pantera does. It took 4 years for me for even break down and by a second car.....

But......there's just something about a Lamborghini that I have always liked, the style, the sound, the feel of the 12 cylinder and the handling.

I still feel the Pantera is by far the best bang for the buck. I've spent the last 5 years personally rebuilding and turning the wrenches on my car from bumper to bumper, so I believe I know just a little about it. I know my car, what it can, can't do, what it is and what it can never be. I don't think of the Pantera as a lesser car than a Lamborghini or better than a Lamborghini.....Just different.

Dave Adler called me today and we talked for awhile as we usually do. He wanted to know what happen with my radiator. I explained what happened and what I was having done to repair it. Being the true friend and brother that Dave is to me now for almost 10 years, he refused to let me put this radiator back in my car. He said NO, absolutely not, even though I was willing to try it and see what happens. You have too nice a car that is very special and I won't let you do it, not a chance. I am sending you out a new radiator with sucker fans on Monday to replace it. Box up the damaged one in the same box and send it back to me. Done deal, nothing more to talk about on this. Knowing Dave as I do, he would do this for anyone just because that's who Dave is. But it's also the reason we have been close friends for so many years partly because of his honor and integrity. I trust, respect and love Dave because he's been a true & dear friend and I not only value his opinion, but take it very much to heart.

We had a long talk about selling my Pantera and getting a Lamborghini. He wants my Pantera if I decide to sell it. But he also feels It's something I should keep. So do I. We both see my Pantera as something very special that I have a lot of time, work, money, learning and effort in. I haven't paid many people to work on my car, I've done 95% of it myself. Like I said, it's like one of my children now. He also said that he would consider buying the 01 VT if I passed on it, that's if he could talk Linda into it. He then told me about another friend of his that also owns a Pantera that also just added a 96 VT to his garage. Said that it was an incredibly awesome car that he would love to have at least once in life.

This is has not been an easy decision for me by any means. Couldn't sleep again last night because probably Friday, Monday at the latest, I have to make the decision on the 01 VT. As much as I have thought about it, & worked the numbers. There's just no way of putting it together without selling the Pantera because of the cost of the 01 VT. I also know now that selling the Pantera is just not an option. I just can't do it...I won't do it.

So anyway.....after long, hard and much thought, I have decided to see what I can put together on the 96 VT and keep the Pantera. I think I can make that work and keep my Pantera. If I can't have both, then I'll wait until I can, it's just a matter of time.

I love my cars, it's what motivates me, (besides the family) they are the reason I get up everyday and drag my tired ass to work. Always been that way with me and my cars, that's who I am.

The Pantera is going nowhere. Besides, what would life be without you guys busting my ass.......
Big Grin

Happy Thanksgiving to all of my Pantera partners, friends and brothers !
We have a lot to be thankful for !
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