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Originally posted by PeteB:
Hi everybody,

Always followed De Tomaso. I loved the Si version I saw in the mags in the 90's never to be available in the USA.

I have a Pantera itch for all the usual reasons and want to learn more details of the cars and ownership.

Any thoughts on this car? Is it really a 'known' car?

http://hymanltd.com/vehicles/5...74-detomaso-pantera/

Cheers!

Hi PeteB what do you want to know about a Pantera Si ?
regards
Simon
Vacuum hoses missing on engine, fluid low in clutch slave reservoir, driver's side brake lense gap terrible, rear bumper margin terrible, throttle return spring amateurist installation, air cleaner too small..Mark
Title on my post go changed (???) I'm just interested in Pantera's in general. The Si is really cool but unfortunately it's irrelevant to me because they are not allowed in the USA. The Si is just one that I've always thought looked good and curious in that it's a modern Pantera.

1Rocketship - your info is helpful.
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Originally posted by PeteB:

... Title on my post go changed ...


I apologize for my misunderstanding of your post. I've dropped the "Si" part from the title.

#7295 is a known car. I doubt if it was equipped with 15x10 rear wheels, but can't verify that until I find some old photos. I'm also uncertain about the sunroof. I'm sure the air cleaner and the seats are aftermarket.

If the sunroof is a personalization by a previous owner then the value of the car has been hindered, as the cost to restore the roof must be considered ... and should be deducted from the sale price.

I can pursue this further if you wish, it will take a decent amount of time to research. Let me know if you're serious about a purchase.

-G
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If the sunroof is a personalization by a previous owner then the value of the car has been hindered,

HUH?

With the exception of the few (increasing) keep-it-stock collectors, most Pantera buyers are seeking aftermarket improvements such as Recaro seats, HID headlights, Willwood brakes, etc.

In his post Pete did not indicate he was seeking a collector quality car.

I don't believe a well-done aftermarket sunroof presents any more of a 'hindrance' to value than any other of the numerous mods/upgrades/changes made to our cars.

Is there a memo of value 'hindering' modifications that someone forgot to send out?
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Originally posted by desert_detomaso:

HUH ... Is there a memo of 'hindering' modifications that someone forgot to send out ...



Andy I'm sorry if my comment rubs you the wrong way. In this situation, the Pantera in question (#7295) is advertised as a unique Pantera, which it is. It IS potentially a collector quality car. Check out the link in PeteB's first post. The seller (Hymann Ltd) is asking $125,000 for this car, about $55,000 above market price for a standard Pantera in showroom condition. The price is based on this particular Pantera's uniqueness. If it has been personalized its historical uniqueness is marred.

Like I wrote previously, I'll research this at no charge if PeteB is a serious buyer rather than a tire kicker, because helping De Tomaso enthusiasts is one of the things Debbie and I have dedicated ourselves to doing in this phase of our senior lives.
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Originally posted by 1Rocketship:
Vacuum hoses missing on engine, fluid low in clutch slave reservoir, driver's side brake lense gap terrible, rear bumper margin terrible, throttle return spring amateurist installation, air cleaner too small..Mark


3 centre gauges in English, but fuel gauge in Italian.
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Originally posted by George P:
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Originally posted by desert_detomaso:

HUH ... Is there a memo of 'hindering' modifications that someone forgot to send out ...



Andy I'm sorry if my comment rubs you the wrong way. In this situation, the Pantera in question (#7295) is advertised as a unique Pantera, which it is. It IS potentially a collector quality car. Check out the link in PeteB's first post. The seller (Hymann Ltd) is asking $125,000 for this car, about $55,000 above market price for a standard Pantera in showroom condition. The price is based on this particular Pantera's uniqueness. If it has been personalized its historical uniqueness is marred.

Like I wrote previously, I'll research this at no charge if PeteB is a serious buyer rather than a tire kicker, because helping De Tomaso enthusiasts is one of the things Debbie and I have dedicated ourselves to doing in this phase of our senior lives.


i fully agree, a sunroof isn't as a just bolt-on aftermarket airfilter....it changes the look of the car ( or even stiffness) and would be a significant cost to redo it...i have a friend who bought a BMW M3 to track with sunroof and wanted to remove it for weight and stiffness purpose...so they cut and replaced a complete roof up from the pillars.Can image it would be a bit more difficult ( expensive) to find a Pantera donor car.....
George thank you for the offer to vet this car but at the moment I am just a tire kicker. I wanted to use the forum member knowledge to look into the car ad and the comments have been very insightful - just what I was looking for in trying to determine the real value of the car.

Also a GT5-s in the for sale forum that is interesting but no serial # iirc. I think I saw a car on DuPont Registry that claimed to be a GT4 or 5 with serial but when looking up the serial it went to a completely different Pantera race car with overhead exhaust headers.

Anyway I appreciate the replies and discussion.

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