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Greetings - Want to learn about the Pantera

P petebMember
Hi everybody,

Always followed De Tomaso. I loved the Si version I saw in the mags in the 90's never to be available in the USA.

I have a Pantera itch for all the usual reasons and want to learn more details of the cars and ownership.

Any thoughts on this car? Is it really a 'known' car?

http://hymanltd.com/vehicles/5...74-detomaso-pantera/

Cheers!
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S simonMember
quote:
Originally posted by PeteB:
Hi everybody,

Always followed De Tomaso. I loved the Si version I saw in the mags in the 90's never to be available in the USA.

I have a Pantera itch for all the usual reasons and want to learn more details of the cars and ownership.

Any thoughts on this car? Is it really a 'known' car?

http://hymanltd.com/vehicles/5...74-detomaso-pantera/

Cheers!

Hi PeteB what do you want to know about a Pantera Si ?
regards
Simon
George PGeorge PAdmin.
quote:

Originally posted by PeteB:

... Title on my post go changed ...


I apologize for my misunderstanding of your post. I've dropped the "Si" part from the title.

#7295 is a known car. I doubt if it was equipped with 15x10 rear wheels, but can't verify that until I find some old photos. I'm also uncertain about the sunroof. I'm sure the air cleaner and the seats are aftermarket.

If the sunroof is a personalization by a previous owner then the value of the car has been hindered, as the cost to restore the roof must be considered ... and should be deducted from the sale price.

I can pursue this further if you wish, it will take a decent amount of time to research. Let me know if you're serious about a purchase.

-G
D desert_detomaso (Guest)
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If the sunroof is a personalization by a previous owner then the value of the car has been hindered,

HUH?

With the exception of the few (increasing) keep-it-stock collectors, most Pantera buyers are seeking aftermarket improvements such as Recaro seats, HID headlights, Willwood brakes, etc.

In his post Pete did not indicate he was seeking a collector quality car.

I don't believe a well-done aftermarket sunroof presents any more of a 'hindrance' to value than any other of the numerous mods/upgrades/changes made to our cars.

Is there a memo of value 'hindering' modifications that someone forgot to send out?
George PGeorge PAdmin.
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Originally posted by desert_detomaso:

HUH ... Is there a memo of 'hindering' modifications that someone forgot to send out ...



Andy I'm sorry if my comment rubs you the wrong way. In this situation, the Pantera in question (#7295) is advertised as a unique Pantera, which it is. It IS potentially a collector quality car. Check out the link in PeteB's first post. The seller (Hymann Ltd) is asking $125,000 for this car, about $55,000 above market price for a standard Pantera in showroom condition. The price is based on this particular Pantera's uniqueness. If it has been personalized its historical uniqueness is marred.

Like I wrote previously, I'll research this at no charge if PeteB is a serious buyer rather than a tire kicker, because helping De Tomaso enthusiasts is one of the things Debbie and I have dedicated ourselves to doing in this phase of our senior lives.
kidkidMember
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Originally posted by 1Rocketship:
Vacuum hoses missing on engine, fluid low in clutch slave reservoir, driver's side brake lense gap terrible, rear bumper margin terrible, throttle return spring amateurist installation, air cleaner too small..Mark


3 centre gauges in English, but fuel gauge in Italian.
belgiumbarrybelgiumbarryMember
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Originally posted by George P:
quote:

Originally posted by desert_detomaso:

HUH ... Is there a memo of 'hindering' modifications that someone forgot to send out ...



Andy I'm sorry if my comment rubs you the wrong way. In this situation, the Pantera in question (#7295) is advertised as a unique Pantera, which it is. It IS potentially a collector quality car. Check out the link in PeteB's first post. The seller (Hymann Ltd) is asking $125,000 for this car, about $55,000 above market price for a standard Pantera in showroom condition. The price is based on this particular Pantera's uniqueness. If it has been personalized its historical uniqueness is marred.

Like I wrote previously, I'll research this at no charge if PeteB is a serious buyer rather than a tire kicker, because helping De Tomaso enthusiasts is one of the things Debbie and I have dedicated ourselves to doing in this phase of our senior lives.


i fully agree, a sunroof isn't as a just bolt-on aftermarket airfilter....it changes the look of the car ( or even stiffness) and would be a significant cost to redo it...i have a friend who bought a BMW M3 to track with sunroof and wanted to remove it for weight and stiffness purpose...so they cut and replaced a complete roof up from the pillars.Can image it would be a bit more difficult ( expensive) to find a Pantera donor car.....
P petebMember
George thank you for the offer to vet this car but at the moment I am just a tire kicker. I wanted to use the forum member knowledge to look into the car ad and the comments have been very insightful - just what I was looking for in trying to determine the real value of the car.

Also a GT5-s in the for sale forum that is interesting but no serial # iirc. I think I saw a car on DuPont Registry that claimed to be a GT4 or 5 with serial but when looking up the serial it went to a completely different Pantera race car with overhead exhaust headers.

Anyway I appreciate the replies and discussion.

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