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Very nice!
I'm thinking of decorating mine by making them look like beer cans? Budwiser would look good right? Like the racing boat. "Miss Budwiser".
What'a ya think?
I'm thinking of decorating mine by making them look like beer cans? Budwiser would look good right? Like the racing boat. "Miss Budwiser".
What'a ya think?
That's only 7. How about Goofy on #8?
These are the o-rings you need for the cookie tray.
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Went with something different.
My manifold is low Pro i think, because I have lots of clearance to the roof.
I made a nice plastic cover that will snap across the fuel rails, cleanly covering everything underneath, and holding the temp sensor as well.
I still have to make the snaps for the cover, and install the beauty covers, but she's done, save for the screens.
Here's some sexy shots of the new look
My manifold is low Pro i think, because I have lots of clearance to the roof.
I made a nice plastic cover that will snap across the fuel rails, cleanly covering everything underneath, and holding the temp sensor as well.
I still have to make the snaps for the cover, and install the beauty covers, but she's done, save for the screens.
Here's some sexy shots of the new look
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and even sexier
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and sexiest of all (for the moment, it's gonna get WAY better soon)
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It looks nice.
You can put spacers under the throttle bodies. Many of the specialty shops offer them made out of billet aluminum.
Wasn't it determined (in an earlier post) that YOUR intake manifold is the Hall Weber manifold that was sectioned to fit the taller deck height that you have?
If so, it's the same height manifold as I have. The greater space that you have is just because your TB's are shorter then the Webers are.
These are solid 1" spacers. There are 2" spacers also.
They won't hurt anything, just will lengthen the distance to the intake valve and give you more low end. You don't want that right?
You can put spacers under the throttle bodies. Many of the specialty shops offer them made out of billet aluminum.
Wasn't it determined (in an earlier post) that YOUR intake manifold is the Hall Weber manifold that was sectioned to fit the taller deck height that you have?
If so, it's the same height manifold as I have. The greater space that you have is just because your TB's are shorter then the Webers are.
These are solid 1" spacers. There are 2" spacers also.
They won't hurt anything, just will lengthen the distance to the intake valve and give you more low end. You don't want that right?
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And sexiest of all, here she is, all ready to go for a nice free breathing drive.
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So, just How Many HP am I supposed to gain by going open like this?, hmmm.
Sure would make my life easier to just run it as is now.
Plus, open stacks, I mean, you know.
Sure would make my life easier to just run it as is now.
Plus, open stacks, I mean, you know.
You tell us!
Take it out and give us the "seat of the pants" assessment!
Looks good!
(Or you could Dyno it - with and without air cleaners).
Take it out and give us the "seat of the pants" assessment!
Looks good!
(Or you could Dyno it - with and without air cleaners).
Air cleaners are boxed up for now. The car will run in this configuration for a while at least.
I DO plan to add screens a-la Panteradoug.
Still have to go to Wal-Mart and get my screens, then I'll PM him and ask for the secret rubber mounting method.
I think at least for a little while I'm going to let Snow White breathe a little, and run her open, just like in the pics.
I DO plan to add screens a-la Panteradoug.
Still have to go to Wal-Mart and get my screens, then I'll PM him and ask for the secret rubber mounting method.
I think at least for a little while I'm going to let Snow White breathe a little, and run her open, just like in the pics.
With my basic knowledge of aerodynamics, the stacks are located in a low-pressure zone if I'm not mistaken.
The shape of the rear of the car is such that is almost acts like a diffuser, causing debris to be sucked up into the car from underneath.
I'm wondering if window scoops might help with keeping the area behind the window where the stacks are in more of a high-pressure state, and therefore possibly lowering the chances of stuff getting sucked up and making it's way to the stacks
The shape of the rear of the car is such that is almost acts like a diffuser, causing debris to be sucked up into the car from underneath.
I'm wondering if window scoops might help with keeping the area behind the window where the stacks are in more of a high-pressure state, and therefore possibly lowering the chances of stuff getting sucked up and making it's way to the stacks
quote:Originally posted by mike the snake:
With my basic knowledge of aerodynamics, the stacks are located in a low-pressure zone if I'm not mistaken....
It has been stated here that (i believe) the Boxer design suffered a loss of HP at speed due to the low pressure zone created by a similaer roofline. the Boxer "suger scoop" was an improvement. this is the GTS roof spoiler.
When I contemplate cusomizing my build, I have though of using the orignal roof spoiler and adding a blocking edge on the underside in hopes of creating a high pressure area there
Oh yea, those stacks do look sexy!
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I can see my car running a sugar scoop (possibly with your trip-strip idea) and a ductail spoiler.
Next after the air screens (if I do it) is getting my front decklid, sides, and rear trunk wrapped in satin black, with a large Pantera graphic lettering on the side.
That should finish off the look I'm going for.
Next after the air screens (if I do it) is getting my front decklid, sides, and rear trunk wrapped in satin black, with a large Pantera graphic lettering on the side.
That should finish off the look I'm going for.
Webers typically will loose around 80 hp with air cleaners on them. I don't know about FI TB's? I would presume they are similar?
The sugar scoop is what you want over the stacks. You do not need a ram air effect on a Pantera, just access to enough volume of air which you already have.
The window scoops are also in a dead air area. The air stream is actually along the roof of the car and the "bat ear" shape is because the edge of the scoop needs to reach up into that air stream.
As it turns out, this type of a velocity stack does not like being in a turbulent air flow location. They like drawing in gentle air, like the drain in a sink or a bathtub.
Drawing air flow from beneath the car works into the concept but it is not quite a vacuum cleaner effect in the this car.
There is an airscoop made for a Pantera which draws air from the top of the windshield and ducts it across the roof and directs it down into the window area.
It is a modification of a scoop built for the Poniac Fiero but the sugar scoop from the L's does the same thing.
Putting a 90 degree trailing edge on the roof spoiler is just going to add lift to the rear like full flaps do on an airplane. I don't think that you want to do that?
Look at this scoop. It is a modification of the Fiero thought.
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/...5562/m/4561096316/p1
This is Mad Dogs Pantera. It has the Bat Ear scoops on it. Notice how the corners stick up?
You need to watch this car in action. Then there will be no question why they call Denis "Mad Dog". It is very self explanatory?
The sugar scoop is what you want over the stacks. You do not need a ram air effect on a Pantera, just access to enough volume of air which you already have.
The window scoops are also in a dead air area. The air stream is actually along the roof of the car and the "bat ear" shape is because the edge of the scoop needs to reach up into that air stream.
As it turns out, this type of a velocity stack does not like being in a turbulent air flow location. They like drawing in gentle air, like the drain in a sink or a bathtub.
Drawing air flow from beneath the car works into the concept but it is not quite a vacuum cleaner effect in the this car.
There is an airscoop made for a Pantera which draws air from the top of the windshield and ducts it across the roof and directs it down into the window area.
It is a modification of a scoop built for the Poniac Fiero but the sugar scoop from the L's does the same thing.
Putting a 90 degree trailing edge on the roof spoiler is just going to add lift to the rear like full flaps do on an airplane. I don't think that you want to do that?
Look at this scoop. It is a modification of the Fiero thought.
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/...5562/m/4561096316/p1
This is Mad Dogs Pantera. It has the Bat Ear scoops on it. Notice how the corners stick up?
You need to watch this car in action. Then there will be no question why they call Denis "Mad Dog". It is very self explanatory?
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quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
...This is Mad Dogs Pantera....You need to watch this car in action. Then there will be no question why they call Denis "Mad Dog". It is very self explanatory?
(Watch them in order)
1st https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lCf3w7SzWQ
2nd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fyqDIh2KIw
JFB
Thanks (I think) for those links. That second one was really depressing. Especially the fireman trying to open the trunk, from the front, with a fire ax. (?!?!?!)
Is PanteraDoug's picture of the blue car AFTER the fire??
Thanks (I think) for those links. That second one was really depressing. Especially the fireman trying to open the trunk, from the front, with a fire ax. (?!?!?!)
Is PanteraDoug's picture of the blue car AFTER the fire??