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markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by A Hudson:
First is Lamborghini Islero. Second is a guess for Aston Martin DBS, just before intro of the V8, (4 headlight six cylinder car), so 1968 it is. If this is right, it sure looks better from the side than the front! Do tell!


Well, you got the first one right. Keep trying. Big Grin
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The last one with "McClaren" on it certainly isn't. It's a Manta kit car, usually sporting a significant American V8.

I remember reading in a showdown test in the late 70's of several then current supercars and the Manta kicked 'em all in 'race track' performance numbers. Low weight, high power, race bred suspension but virtually zero practicality. Hope that's right!
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by Carbo:
Pininfarina concept car from 1970-71 approx. It was called the modulo or modulus or something like that. Interesting the way the roof slid back for entry. I had a model of this car years and years ago


Yup. Pininfarina's Concept car for Ferrari—the Modulo.


Mic: a 1981 Talbot-Matra Murena? Smiler

How about this one:

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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:
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Originally posted by Carbo:
Pininfarina concept car from 1970-71 approx. It was called the modulo or modulus or something like that. Interesting the way the roof slid back for entry. I had a model of this car years and years ago


Yup. Pininfarina's Concept car for Ferrari—the Modulo.


Mic: a 1981 Talbot-Matra Murena? Smiler

How about this one:


The turquoise car gets my vote for most outrageous thing I've ever seen on 4 wheels. Mighty fine, so Italian.

Since early Maserati Bora's had the unusually 'holey' rocker design, and the alloys look of Maserati or Alfa Cromodora lineage, I'll say this is a Bora concept vehicle.

All I know is I'd like to take my son to school in THAT thing!
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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The turquoise car gets my vote for most outrageous thing I've ever seen on 4 wheels. Mighty fine, so Italian.

Since early Maserati Bora's had the unusually 'holey' rocker design, and the alloys look of Maserati or Alfa Cromodora lineage, I'll say this is a Bora concept vehicle.

All I know is I'd like to take my son to school in THAT thing!


Adams, I'm sure he'd like it too. You've got the country right, but it's not related to the Bora or Alfa. Keep trying! Big Grin
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by CrazyDave:
This should be easy.


1968 AstroVette2 - XP880 Smiler Wasn't that easy...

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Originally posted by Mic:
you are right Marc, it is a 1981 Talbot-Matra Murena.
What about this one?


2005 Ford Iosis concept car developed to show direction for the European Mondeo replacement.

The Vector shown by Fahrenheit351 was one of the last ideas from AVTECH/Vector— a V8 Biturbo Concept. Just a computer rendering, as the car was never built.
micmicUpside Up!
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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:
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Originally posted by CrazyDave:
This should be easy.


1968 AstroVette2 - XP880 Smiler Wasn't that easy...

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Originally posted by Mic:
you are right Marc, it is a 1981 Talbot-Matra Murena.
What about this one?


2005 Ford Iosis concept car developed to show direction for the European Mondeo replacement.

The Vector shown by Fahrenheit351 was one of the last ideas from AVTECH/Vector— a V8 Biturbo Concept. Just a computer rendering, as the car was never built.


You'r a real Champ Peon
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by montecarlo296:
Whoopsy, double dropped bollock. I'll try again:


1966 Mini-Marcos?

I must say that the 1969 Ikenga MKIII was pretty out there. You are really pulling out some difficult cars Phil. Now you have to tell us WHICH of those was your first car (an interesting story, I'm very sure). Keep it up, it's fun!

You too, Mic!

Mark
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by edl:
hmmm ... i'll give this a try ... any takers on the attached? - thx, stephen

1966-69 Fiat Dino Coupé

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Originally posted by Mark#6808:
Any takers on this one

1970 Mecedes C111 (which was easy since I already posted the top view earlier Smiler )

I must say that Mic does have me stumped on that weird purple/black convertible. Looks like a Buick, Lincoln or Olds, but I'm lost.
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by Mic:
Mark, how about a little help...this one is stomping me...Ferrari red, a 1961-1963 nose, a Masserati mouth...am i cold or hot??? Confused


Yes, it's red. It's Italian. Late 50's. Big Grin

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Originally posted by montecarlo296:
Nobody's got this one yet:


Sorry, this is a Probe 16 from 1970. Pretty bloody obscure with only TWO ever made!!!! (although it was in Clockwork Orange...) Smiler
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by sgarrett:
I looked at the 750, but I don't think that's it. The headrest is too low and the openings around the edge of the hood are different. It looks like the mouth also has more of an overbite and is narrower.

Is it an OSCA of some sort?


Wow, you're really close... It IS a 750... but not a Ferrari or an OSCA!.

While you're stewing on it, her'es one for MIC:

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markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by sgarrett:
I was going to post that white one next....you beat me to it. Not fair for me to guess now...

As for that darn red one. I was thinking Fiat but my last guess has to be a 1956 Bandini 750 sport


Don't feel bad, Sean. It's a tough one (not in the MIC class of tough, but tough)

The red car is a 1956 Moretti 750 Sport. For comparison, here's the Bandini 750.

Gracious of you to pass on the white car. I'm sure SOMEONE else will get it (Mic, Johnny?). Do you think it was wrong of me to remove its name from the side? Big Grin

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removing the name was most appropriate...I was going to use one of the more front-on images.

Never would've gotten that red one (I thought that was an "M" on the center of the wheels but couldn't figure it out!), but have now become a fan of Bandinis....

This is the picture I found of the Diplomat. It was on an Italian site, but it clearly said it was a 1970 (can't read anything else on the site though).

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markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by sgarrett:
OK..here's my last one, and I kept it small to make it tougher....


Ah, yes, the beautiful 1959 Shelby instigated, Scaglietti-built Corvette Italia. Smiler

Sean, the Opel Diplomat you found is the 1970 production car, vs. the 1969 styling exercise. Notice the absence of A-pilars on the concept car.
micmicUpside Up!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mark Charlton:

...It's a tough one (not in the MIC class of tough, but tough)

my anwer: eemmmmmmmmmmm!

The red car is a 1956 Moretti 750 Sport. For comparison, here's the Bandini 750.

my answer: I knew that M on the wheel hubs meant something. stomped!

now for the white car, 'GuessMe.jpg' , huh! Big Grin i'ts getting more and more difficult, Razzer ... hint please...any other takers?
sgarrettsgarrettMember
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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:


Ah, yes, the beautiful 1959 Shelby instigated, Scaglietti-built Corvette Italia. Smiler

Sean, the Opel Diplomat you found is the 1970 production car, vs. the 1969 styling exercise. Notice the absence of A-pilars on the concept car.


I bow to your greatness. I can't compete. The a-pillar thing earns you a tip of the hat.
micmicUpside Up!
Mark, that white car with the orange stripe, looks familiar, concept looks japanese (Toyota 200GT) or german (early VW Scirocco), red walls on tires look early 70's, no power to remember it with, that's all i can come up with... stomped again by the master Champ Peon.
Any body care to guess before Mark reveals the mistery car?
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by Cowboy from Hell:
name the car, the driver, the year AND the track.

what is the significance of this car to DeTomaso owners?


...and was initiated by Gene Bordinat, who, as we all know, loved the Mangusta and had a special one made just for himself. Some say he was intimately involved with Alessandro's wife, but that's just heresay (OK, I made it up...)

Big Grin
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by Mic:
Mark, that white car with the orange stripe, looks familiar, concept looks japanese (Toyota 200GT) or german (early VW Scirocco), red walls on tires look early 70's, no power to remember it with, that's all i can come up with... stomped again by the master Champ Peon.
Any body care to guess before Mark reveals the mistery car?


Allow me to end the suffering.

The white car is the 1970 Holden Torana GTR-X prototype. Never made it into production, unfortunately. Pretty cool Australian car.

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The other car was correctly identified as the "Mustang 1". But it was in no way associated with the car the Fairlane Group was working on at the time, that would eventually be named the Mustang. In 1962 the Mustang wasn't named the Mustang, it had no name at all. You'll read Mustang histories that try to tie this car into the history of the Mustang one way or another, but they are all off base. This car was not a Mustang prototype, nor was it built to mislead General Motors. It was a separate project, Ford's first foray into the world of mid-engine design.

This little concept car did have the "galloping Mustang" emblem on the sides, an emblem that would find its way onto the Mustang production car. I think that emblem influenced the choice in name for the Fairlane Group's project.

Iacocca had declared the total performance era, and this little mid-engine jewel was one of the first things Ford designed. There were no mid-engine production cars in 1962. Ford & Iacocca were already demonstrating an interest in mid-engine sports cars, and the "leading edge" technology of such a design. This particular car had a 4 cylinder Ford powerplant mounted mid-ship, ala the Vallelunga (this one was a V4 however). It only weighed 1500 pounds. Colin Chapman approved I'm sure.

Several Italian mid-engine designs would eventually utilize side scoops like those on the Mustang 1. The Mustang 1's pointed nose found it's way onto the Pantera. This car traveled the show circuit in late 1962 and 1963. Ford's next mid-engine car, the GT40 followed soon after.

This car was an influential concept car for Ford, and that's why its still in the museum in Dearborn.
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markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by Cowboy from Hell:
1/2 right on the name of Ed Roth's car, it was the Beatnik Bandit.


So true. It's that kind of sloppiness that endeared me to my teachers. Surely I get bonus points for his nick-names... Wink

I used to have the Hot Wheels version of it, along with Silhouette, Python, Deora, Demon, Split'n Image, TwinMill, and even the Red Baron.

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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:
...It's that kind of sloppiness that endeared me to my teachers...

What endears you to me is your impeccable choice in the color selected for your Pantera

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...Surely I get bonus points for his nick-names...

No, but you do get bonus points for putting up with my teasing!

cowboy from hell
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by Cowboy from Hell:
What endears you to me is your impeccable choice in the color selected for your Pantera

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...Surely I get bonus points for his nick-names...

No, but you do get bonus points for putting up with my teasing!

cowboy from hell


Hey, if it was good enough for Bordinat on the Mustang 1, it's good enough for me!
Big Grin

So, if not Bordinat, what WAS the DeTomaso link there?
micmicUpside Up!
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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:
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Originally posted by Mic:
Mark, that white car with the orange stripe, looks familiar, concept looks japanese (Toyota 200GT) or german (early VW Scirocco), red walls on tires look early 70's, no power to remember it with, that's all i can come up with... stomped again by the master Champ Peon.
Any body care to guess before Mark reveals the mistery car?


Allow me to end the suffering.

The white car is the 1970 Holden Torana GTR-X prototype. Never made it into production, unfortunately. Pretty cool Australian car.


thanks Mark for ending the torture, so no 1 other then you and Sean knew?
sgarrettsgarrettMember
I'm back (but now I'm gone again for a week). I told my dad about this thread and of course he wanted me to throw in the car he used to really want. Since I'm gone for a while, I already added the clue. It is on the door. Of course, Mark won't need the clue!

I liked that Holden concept. I found it when trying to figure out if that other car was an Opel. Thanks to this thread, I have learned that Opel made a lot of really un-cool cars!

BTW - I was reading in the paper the other day that Jaguar was originally called SS Motors (or something like that). They changed their name to Jaguar in the 40's for obvious reasons. Have others heard that too?

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Originally posted by sgarrett:
...Jaguar was originally called SS Motors (or something like that). They changed their name to Jaguar in the 40's for obvious reasons. Have others heard that too...


That is true, here's a bit more detail:

William Lyons and William Wamsley partnered and established the Swallow Sidecar Company in the early 1920's.

The company moved to larger quarters and changed the name to the Swallow Sidecar and Coach Building Company later in the decade, reflecting the fact they had plans to build automobile coaches.

Their first foray into coachbuilding was a 2 seater assembled upon an Austin chassis, called the Austin Swallow. It was a roaring success (William Lyons was a talented coach designer) and the company name was simplified to the Swallow Coachbuilding Company, with Swallow Sidecars reorganized as a subsidiary.

Swallow Coachbuilding Company moved to Coventry near the end of the decade. Coventry of course became the permanent home of the company.

From Coventry the company assembled a succession of their coaches upon chassis made by "Standard" calling them SS1, SS2, SS90, SS100, SSJaguar. I've always assumed SS stood for Standard Swallow, just like their car built on the Austin chassis was an Austin Swallow.

In the early thirties the company went public, William Walmsley resigned and the company was renamed SS Cars Ltd, owing to the success of their SS series of cars.

By the late 30's the SSJaguar had become the company's most powerful 2 seater to date, a very popular model, and the company's flagship. Then the bombings started, and production shifted to supporting the war effort.

After the war William Lyons changed the company's name to Jaguar Cars Ltd, due to the fact the entire nation reviled the initials "SS" and the Jaguar was the company's last flagshp model prior to the war.

One last bit of history. You are no doubt aware that British autos and motorcycles flooded into the US after world war II. There is a political reason for that. The British government mandated that in order to obtain the raw materials to return to production, 50% of a company's products had to be exported. This was necessary to provide Britain with the needed revenue to rebuild. I think it worked very well for them. And us. I'm a fan of Jaguar autos and British motorcycles too. God Bless Britain.

cowboy from hell
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by sgarrett:
I'm back (but now I'm gone again for a week). I told my dad about this thread and of course he wanted me to throw in the car he used to really want. Since I'm gone for a while, I already added the clue. It is on the door. Of course, Mark won't need the clue!

I liked that Holden concept. I found it when trying to figure out if that other car was an Opel. Thanks to this thread, I have learned that Opel made a lot of really un-cool cars!

BTW - I was reading in the paper the other day that Jaguar was originally called SS Motors (or something like that). They changed their name to Jaguar in the 40's for obvious reasons. Have others heard that too?


Good one, Sean (Have a nice trip, we'll miss you!). Not many people (including me) are familiar with the Bob Carnes 1959 Bocar XP-5.

Available in built and kit form from his "factory" in Colorado, where he modified and assembled various suspension and mechanical bits from other manufacturers and stuffed in Chevy or Pontiac V8's for motivation.

Thanks for the concise Jag history, George.

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Originally posted by Mic:
...that hot wheel car was the Deora II (pic of original Dodge Deora)...


The original Dodge Deora was based upon a Dodge A-100 compact pick-up chassis, as was another famous Dodge from the same era, the Lil' Red Waggon.

Bill Golden dropped a 426 Hemi in a Dodge A-100 and toured the country beginning 1965 entertaining the crowds at drag strips by doing 1/4 mile long wheelstands. As a kid I really enjoyed watching the Lil' Red Wagon do its thing at Lyons Drag Strip.

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Whoo the memories! My uncle an avid racer, used to take me to Lyons a lot when I visited them. I remember seeing a lot of the famous cars run there! A little while back, Golden did one last run and retired himself and the wagon. It was on some auto TV show.

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Originally posted by Mic:
...that hot wheel car was the Deora II (pic of original Dodge Deora)...


The original Dodge Deora was based upon a Dodge A-100 compact pick-up chassis, as was another famous Dodge from the same era, the Lil' Red Waggon.

Bill Golden dropped a 426 Hemi in a Dodge A-100 and toured the country beginning 1965 entertaining the crowds at drag strips by doing 1/4 mile long wheelstands. As a kid I really enjoyed watching the Lil' Red Wagon do its thing at Lyons Drag Strip.
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by Mic:
...then try this 1 with a some what nicer butt Razzer


That's an opinion not a fact...

Can you verify this is a car that has ever even seen the road, in any form? It looks like a model to me. Judging by the American flag on the side, I'd have to say probably NOT American...?
micmicUpside Up!
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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:

Can you verify this is a car that has ever even seen the road, in any form? It looks like a model to me. Judging by the American flag on the side, I'd have to say probably NOT American...?


right again Mark with the 1969 Fiat Abarth 2000 by Pininfarina.

here is a 2nd pic, not the model car this time, still, a concept, 800 hp V12

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markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by Art Stephens:
I believe I saw the white car, with American flag, at a big car show probably 4 or 5 years ago. I'm guessing it was probably in Autoweek as well? I'm thinking it was Chevy powered and all plastic body panels. Am I getting warm? I do not remember the name.

Art


Close, Art. It has a BMW engine. Originally developed in 1998, it was scheduled for production in 2001. Whether any (beyond a couple of prototypes) made it, I am not sure. It's a Vision K2 and/or a Vision SZR (The white & grey cars are not the same in detail, but I'm not sure the white was any more than a rolling model.
George PGeorge PAdmin.
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Originally posted by RichardT:
...I used to race at Lyon's Drag Strip...


I grew up a few miles from Lyons, and not too far from Ascot Park. More or less in the middle between the two tracks. I could hear the racing at either track from my home every night. So I was a regular at both venues.

Dave Adler was the track reporter for Lyons.

George
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by Mic:
please identify:


Mic,

It's not really fair to post photos of two different cars (again) and call them the same. Differences? Wheels, rear 1/4 panel, mirrors, B-pillar, absence of opening on front fender (second car), shape of chin spoiler, door handles, rear fenders, side creases... I could go on, but I can't type that much.

Also, isn't it a bit misleading to call the next one a Ford? Wink
micmicUpside Up!
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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:
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Originally posted by Mic:
please identify:


Mic,

It's not really fair to post photos of two different cars (again) and call them the same. Differences? Wheels, rear 1/4 panel, mirrors, B-pillar, absence of opening on front fender (second car), shape of chin spoiler, door handles, rear fenders, side creases... I could go on, but I can't type that much.

Also, isn't it a bit misleading to call the next one a Ford? Wink


Here is why i have posted two slightly different cars: one might give you a hard time, the second might help, i will post variances next time i send out a second pic to help the first. In this case the car has the same name. (I do not know the built year though). I wasn't trying to make it more complicated. Sorry.

About the misleading part of the Ford, this car was sold by Barrett-Jackson for $385,000 in 2006, and if Barrett-Jackson says it's a Ford, well, who am i to argue ... they go on to say:...'this Ford _ _ _ _ roadster was built some twenty years before a Chevrolet of the same name popped up'. The title of the car is an A1953 Gardner, What i am looking for is only the 4 letter word that comprises the name of the car.

Thanks Mark for clarifiing the situation.
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"I grew up a few miles from Lyons, and not too far from Ascot Park. More or less in the middle between the two tracks. I could hear the racing at either track from my home every night. So I was a regular at both venues."

I lived next door to Dick Fletcher who was a regular at Ascot with his Triumph 650. I grew up riding the back roads on the back of his bike in Sunland.

Richard T.
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micmicUpside Up!
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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:
The Spyker is a Spyker (check the front plate...) I wish the other of Ron's was so easy, but I guess since I opened the door with my Moretti post, it's only fair to return the favour with the 1955 Moretti 1200 Spyder.

Here's one for you:


Marc, could you give us a little hint, please? looks like concept...a 61 pontiac?
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Originally posted by Mic:
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Originally posted by DeTom:
Has anyone posted this one yet????


DeTom, wouldn't it be great to get the P-70 along with the the DeTomaso company, your dream would come true,

BTW your post is of the 1994 Prototype Bizzarrini BZ-2001 Concept car


WOW!! I bow to the master. You know them all. Yeah I wanted to buy that P70, but to be honest, if I had enough money to buy it, I would just put it in the bank and live off the interest. I heard they want five million for it. Frowner
micmicUpside Up!
DeTom: I'd live off the interest also but i would content myself having a replica Smiler
Marc: 1-0 for you! coming back at me, rn't u? Razzer... I knew i was putting myself in a mess (the resembling pics thing) when i asked for additional info. LOL the car looks much nicer with the trimming.
I still can't identify that Thunderbird 5 look-a-like car that John Tracy drove.
Sean, i firmly beleive Marc is the all time wizz

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micmicUpside Up!
hints: the 1st silver cars on page 11 bio:
Weight:3306.9 lbs
Engine:V12
Engine Location:Front, longitudinally mounted
Displacement:366.1 cu in
Fuel feed: Fuel injection
Aspiration: Naturally Aspirated
Gearbox: 6 speed Sequential
Drive: Rear wheel drive
Power: 540 bhp
Torque: 553 ft lbs
Power to weight ratio: 0.36 bhp
Top Speed: 193 mph
0-60 mph Acceleration: 4.0 s
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
My silver car is a Nissan 126-X.

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Originally posted by sgarrett:
OK...I can't keep up with you guys any more! Mark - do you know all of these cars or do you have some super-duper car search engine to find them on the internet?


It's a combination of a very mis-spent youth and a mis-spent adult-hood (trying to figure out what some of these lumps are).

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Originally posted by pantera874:
Totally wrong. A little help:
Made in Germany, 125 cars produced. Windshield stolen from a Porsche 904.


I would have guessed a Wartburg RS1000, but I've never seen a twin-headlight version.

I officially give up on this thread. I've got cars that need to be driven. It has been fun. Thanks!
micmicUpside Up!
this car, witch I originally posted last july 31st, is a 1953 Ford Vega Roadster “Gardner Special”
Barrett-Jackson

This one off prototype was commissioned by Ford Motor Company and financed by Henry Ford II. Willys Wagner, stylist for the International Division of Ford Motor Company and the legendary Indy racecar designer Frank Kurtis awarded the project to automotive designer Vince Gardner. Vince’s resume includes Studebaker, Ford, Budd car body manufacturer, and most notably, the Auburn Automobile Company design department under the direction of Gordon Buehrig, the design team responsible for the famed Cord 810. Vince’s influences from his days at the Auburn Automobile Company are clearly evident in the Vega’s (Cord like) disappearing headlights. Vince spent over 2 years building the lightweight aluminum bodied roadster. Henry Ford would check on the progress and sometimes bring his celebrity friends, Groucho Marx and Red Skelton.

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Originally posted by montecarlo296:
No, slightly less furry. - Welsh like this one - and yes, that is 2075 on the trailer.

OK, that is not an Austin, it isn't a Cathrem and Lotus wouldn't allow it. Bruce McClaren would laugh his ass off and ProDrive hasn't made a car yet, so what the hell is that thing????
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