Saw this ad, thought I would pass it along.
http://www.racingjunk.com/DeTo...eTomaso-Pantera.html
Cheers,
Wade
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Originally posted by Wade:
Saw this ad, thought I would pass it along.
http://www.racingjunk.com/DeTo...eTomaso-Pantera.html
Cheers,
Wade
I was at barrett jackson in jan with intentions to bid on a 1974 orange l model pantera . looking over the car carefully i noted that the original vin plate area on the bulkhead had a crude plate rivited over it with the vin number THPNRT08735 stamped on it with what appeared to be non original DeTomaso stamping tools. That is the vin number in the Barrett Jackson catalog description also. That number is much later in the number sequence for panteras if it exists at all. l model but the engine rivited tag plate was missing as well as the emissions plate also rivited in the engine comp.The engine number 5427 sounds right for a 74 the holes for the plates were there so it was apparently a usa delivery model.I theorize the car was built as a 1974 L model around a 1974 L model engine probably using a salvaged body of who knows what vintage.The car appeared like a valid 74 L model but of course the faked vin is not 74 vintage.Anybody know of this car? I passed on it cause I want a real car.It had a pennsylvania title which BJ did not show me but in talking to the owner verified to me. He was unaware of the vin discrepancy.Jerry McGlothin
According to our moderator George Pence who keeps track of such things, only one (1.0) other Pantera is known to carry an 8000-series number: THPNRT08471- a 1979 Euro GTS. So who knows if 8735 was faked; maybe Santiago DeTomaso in Modena, but it will cost you to have him look it up in the factory records.
Oh yes, the one Sam Foose ruined. I wish they would just call it a custom and stop calling it a pantera
True words ...
Looks similar to a Vector IMO
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Originally posted by Bosswrench:
According to our moderator George Pence who keeps track of such things, only one (1.0) other Pantera is known to carry an 8000-series number: THPNRT08471- a 1979 Euro GTS. So who knows if 8735 was faked; maybe Santiago DeTomaso in Modena, but it will cost you to have him look it up in the factory records.
I just re-read this comment by Jack and I thought I'd update everyone regarding what I know about Pantera's with chassis numbers in the 8000 range. There are actually several Panteras thus numbered. In each case it appears the 8000 series number was not the original chassis number, but each Pantera thus numbered has been re-numbered by the factory. I do not know what the circumstances were, but the re-numbering appears to have occurred while the Pantera was at the factory, either for service or for some sort of revision. The re-numbered Panteras are not numbered sequentially, the new numbers appear to be randomly chosen. I ran this by Chuck Melton a while back and he was basically in agreement. I do not know if Chuck's opinion has changed since that time.
Just Toooooooo Funky. 
I appreciate the styling effort and would be proud to own it.
It seems to be modeled after the Bertone Alfa Romeo Carabo.
Oh sorry - somebody mentioned that in the title of the thread.
I think it would be kind of cool.
Oh sorry - somebody mentioned that in the title of the thread.
I think it would be kind of cool.
Some comments from the Sam Foose "Car for Sale" web site that are pretty interesting about this car....
* * I CAN"T VOUCH OF THE TRUTH OF ANY OF THEM * *
* * I CAN"T VOUCH OF THE TRUTH OF ANY OF THEM * *
quote:Renzo
In 1972 I owned a Towing Service about a half-mile from Sam Foose’s shop. We dragged in (literally) a Pantera the was about rolled up in a ball. The Insurance Co. had it picked up after a few weeks, but I never learned where it ended up. Hmmmm, I wonder….
quote:Mike S
I can personally vouch for that fact that this car was built Sam Foose’s “Project Design” shop at the Santa Barbara airport, and that it is based on a Pantera.
The Pantera came in, pretty much destroyed, or a flatbed. The story goes that the car rolled over a cliff when the owner had failed to set the e-brake and left the car in neutral.
I don’t recall how long it took to build the car, but it seemed like a couple of years as there was so much scratch design involved and some significant design changes in the middle of the build.
The car is awesome though, and at a least drifts like a champ. I recall, pretty early in the build but after the major body lines were set, they were worried that the minimal tire clearance in the rear may be a problem. So, they took out in the parking lot and drifted the thing hard to check for clearance problems. There were no problems!
It’s funny to see this car after so many years It seemed to be so futuristic at the time – because it was – and it still looks amazing to me. It’s difficult to see the Pantera origins because there was so much fabrication involved with this car – a little bit more fab and it would have been a ground-up build.
Chip and I were just kid’s when this car was built, but I know he would remember it and vouch for it as well. If anyone doubts my account of the car, try to reach Chip and ask him. Better yet, reach out to Sam himself.
I don't know the relationship between Sam and Chip? Father and son?
http://bringatrailer.com/2012/...72-sam-foose-custom/
I appreciate a nice "hot rod" as much as the next guy especially with all those micro bikini clad models swarming the cars like bees swarming honey and depending on exactly when the car was built, I can be more forgiving and accept the title as a "generic one" on a car built from a bolt back in '72, but not much.
The above article says this car was built around 1972. OK, fine, but I think it shouldn't be called a Pantera, simply because it is not.
For that matter, I don't think Chip's '67 GT500E should be called a Shelby for the same reason. It's not.
Call it something else. Calling them a Pantera and a Shelby is just the ultimate in bad taste by the builders in my opinion.
Look. I know the 15 year olds love Elanor. That definitely is who it is aimed at. After all they are the ones that buy the majority of the $20 movie tickets. So the producer definitely knows his market and how to relate to it.
But ya' doesn't need to call it a Pantera (or a Shelby).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoYsfbq3vMc
http://bringatrailer.com/2012/...72-sam-foose-custom/
I appreciate a nice "hot rod" as much as the next guy especially with all those micro bikini clad models swarming the cars like bees swarming honey and depending on exactly when the car was built, I can be more forgiving and accept the title as a "generic one" on a car built from a bolt back in '72, but not much.
The above article says this car was built around 1972. OK, fine, but I think it shouldn't be called a Pantera, simply because it is not.
For that matter, I don't think Chip's '67 GT500E should be called a Shelby for the same reason. It's not.
Call it something else. Calling them a Pantera and a Shelby is just the ultimate in bad taste by the builders in my opinion.
Look. I know the 15 year olds love Elanor. That definitely is who it is aimed at. After all they are the ones that buy the majority of the $20 movie tickets. So the producer definitely knows his market and how to relate to it.
But ya' doesn't need to call it a Pantera (or a Shelby).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoYsfbq3vMc
Just saw a preview of the upcoming season of "Fast & Loud". There's going to be an episode with this car and Chip Foose. They also restore a Pantera. The preview shows Richard doing donuts in it and a glimpse of the car as a bare steel shell.
The car has been at Chips shop for some time so he has possession of it now. Richard Rawlings Pantera he bought from the Ringling Bros was also at the Peterson Museum in the basement next to Elvis's Pantera. With Chips involvement in the Peterson Museum it will be interesting to see the "story" they portray.
quote:Originally posted by comp2:
Richard Rawlings Pantera he bought from the Ringling Bros was also at the Peterson Museum in the basement next to Elvis's Pantera.
I think that's the "Ring" Bros. The Ringling Bros. were something completely different.
Ringling brothers = circus = side show = freaks of nature = the ring brothers Pantera
Just saw this car in a preview for this season of fast and loud.
Looks like they may be restoring their own pantera as well
Looks like they may be restoring their own pantera as well
SACC Restorations supplied a ton of parts for the Fast N Loud build. Can't wait to see the result!
Thats great! Congrats
the only good thing about Fast and Loud is Sue!
They are building a Pantera powered by the Ford Ecoboost 4 cylinder
deniscCaretaker of 8MA1244 '70 Euro Mangusta DRIVE THEM, THEY WERE MEANT TO BE DRIVEN, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ONE, BUY A POSTER!
Chip Foose (@chipfoose)
2016-09-14, 7:56 PM
When @RRRawlings found a car my dad built in 1975, I knew I had to buy it and give back to my dad! Here are the links
https://m.facebook.com/media/s...&type=1&l=0370e64b38
2016-09-14, 7:56 PM
When @RRRawlings found a car my dad built in 1975, I knew I had to buy it and give back to my dad! Here are the links
https://m.facebook.com/media/s...&type=1&l=0370e64b38
Haters can hate (or at least be disgruntled), but I would love to have either one of these two...
Slideshow - Mostly of the Carabo
(I'm not talking about you, Doug!)
Rocky
Slideshow - Mostly of the Carabo
(I'm not talking about you, Doug!)
Rocky
I'd love to see the Carabo in person. 39" tall!
I don’t post often but may have a scoop??
Did anyone notice the pair of stock exhaust manifolds sitting on top of a file cabinet in the background?
GMG is one of the few automotive fix-it shows my whole family enjoys. They do some interesting builds and the antics are entertainment for the masses. Two thumbs up from me.
Richard, if you read this how bout a tee shirt??? :- )
Did anyone notice the pair of stock exhaust manifolds sitting on top of a file cabinet in the background?
GMG is one of the few automotive fix-it shows my whole family enjoys. They do some interesting builds and the antics are entertainment for the masses. Two thumbs up from me.
Richard, if you read this how bout a tee shirt??? :- )
quote:Originally posted by speedlimit170:
I don’t post often but may have a scoop??
WILL have a scoop.
Talked with Sam at Los Alamos car show, still sharp and fun.
Wow you think RR can readquote:Originally posted by speedlimit170:
I don’t post often but may have a scoop??
Did anyone notice the pair of stock exhaust manifolds sitting on top of a file cabinet in the background?
GMG is one of the few automotive fix-it shows my whole family enjoys. They do some interesting builds and the antics are entertainment for the masses. Two thumbs up from me.
Richard, if you read this how bout a tee shirt??? :- )
