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quote:Originally posted by Rocky:
Yellow-Colored Pantera - 560 hp
It's crazy, but true.
Rocky
quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship:
If I every sell my 1972 chrome bumperette DeTomaso Pantera, I'm going to claim 1,050 RWP! from my NA ( naturally aspirated) 357CI engine...Might as well go LARGE!!!...If I'm going to "claim" "HUGE HP"!!!
SORRY...No dyno sheet print-out.
WHAT???!!!...You don't trust me???!!!...Mark
quote:Originally posted by Rocky:
No, that's ALL yellow cars!
(Just joking with you, brother!)
5357. Engine Specs at the bottom
If you really want to know my specifics, I really believe I am 400+. Here' my build data, and later in the thread, I have my "calculated data" based on cam, head flow data, etc.
I'll post up a link to that later (but I am not sure you REALLY care.....)
Rocky
quote:Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
...It's All about putting together (ALL) the Correct, Compatible, Maximum Output...Parts.
And having an Experienced Engine Builder, Torque them together, Correctly.
You don't believe 500HP from an Iron Headed 351 Cleveland?
How about 700+HP 351C with Iron Heads and All Ford Hi Performance Parts!? AND with a Dyno Read-Out to Prove it! Built by a Well known Professional Engine Builder, and written up in a Popular Book, sold Years ago. If you want to 'keep-Up' with the Mighty, You need to do your Homework, and research all those who were successful. They knew of what they Preached, and then proved on every race track in the world.
My Boss has Personally built, No less than, 12 Champianship Winning NASCAR Race Engines. (I won't bore you with the Winning Race Harleys he's built). My point being...Do You think I Listened to His Team when I was Building My 357 Cleveland?
"A Closed Mind...Is An Empty Mind!". I say that, because most persons never 'Listen' to the 'Old Ones', and then follow 'It' to the Letter! When some of us claim to have built a 500+ 351C, In Their Garage, perhaps, instead of debating it, and 'getting the Ruler Out'; maybe you otta start asking Questions and LISTEN to what He Knows, And How He Did It!
I may sound Spiteful, I'am Not! Detractors mean Nothing to Me, they're just a waste of time and I wouldn't lower myself down to their level. NO Winner Would!
An Old One
quote:Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
91 Octane.
Driven on the Street.
'Motors' are Electric.
The 351C is an 'Internal Combustion ENGINE'.
Born as A Race Engine! That is what You guys Don't Understand! And Why You will Never achieve It's Full Potential!
700HP out of 357CI for a 2 HP per CI ratio out of a naturally aspirated 92 octane pump gas engine!!!???quote:Originally posted by 8pack:quote:Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
...It's All about putting together (ALL) the Correct, Compatible, Maximum Output...Parts.
And having an Experienced Engine Builder, Torque them together, Correctly.
You don't believe 500HP from an Iron Headed 351 Cleveland?
How about 700+HP 351C with Iron Heads and All Ford Hi Performance Parts!? AND with a Dyno Read-Out to Prove it! Built by a Well known Professional Engine Builder, and written up in a Popular Book, sold Years ago. If you want to 'keep-Up' with the Mighty, You need to do your Homework, and research all those who were successful. They knew of what they Preached, and then proved on every race track in the world.
My Boss has Personally built, No less than, 12 Champianship Winning NASCAR Race Engines. (I won't bore you with the Winning Race Harleys he's built). My point being...Do You think I Listened to His Team when I was Building My 357 Cleveland?
"A Closed Mind...Is An Empty Mind!". I say that, because most persons never 'Listen' to the 'Old Ones', and then follow 'It' to the Letter! When some of us claim to have built a 500+ 351C, In Their Garage, perhaps, instead of debating it, and 'getting the Ruler Out'; maybe you otta start asking Questions and LISTEN to what He Knows, And How He Did It!
I may sound Spiteful, I'am Not! Detractors mean Nothing to Me, they're just a waste of time and I wouldn't lower myself down to their level. NO Winner Would!
An Old One
Race motor on race gas I totally believe you and doable. Pump gas street motor I've never seen one.
quote:Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
Brent...Thank You!
Brent Knows!
You can get to 400+ Horsepower 'Without Even Trying!' And do It while 'Blindfolded'!
Talk to Andy Granetelli. I'am sure I spelled it wrong. He's long dead, and He is a whole 'nother story!!
I better get off this thread, before the admin. Disciplines Me. More Questions? Start a new thread, 'attn. Marlin'.
quote:Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
NO!
You took it All Wrong!
I was Complimenting You, Agreeing with you.
I'am going to go back and re-word it.
And you can retract the Names you called me.
With ALL engines there are trade-offs/compromises.quote:Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
Flat Tappet-Hydraulic. It produces only 525HP at the Flywheel, just wanted to 'Break' 500. I have the Roller Cam pieces ready to go in, I don't want to do the job while it's in the car.
With the Roller Cam it would be pushing 640+ HP.
Hydraulic or Solid, Does NOT Matter. That has to do with Maximum 'Obtainable' RPM, and Durability-Reliability.
Or course it matters whether the camshaft is hydraulic or solid!quote:Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
Flat Tappet-Hydraulic. It produces only 525HP at the Flywheel, just wanted to 'Break' 500. I have the Roller Cam pieces ready to go in, I don't want to do the job while it's in the car.
With the Roller Cam it would be pushing 640+ HP.
Hydraulic or Solid, Does NOT Matter. That has to do with Maximum 'Obtainable' RPM, and Durability-Reliability.
I've found that if "Everyone" is misinterpreting a specific person's comments, then the onious of blame lays at the feet of the person being "misunderstood".quote:Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
I KNEW you guys would MIS-read and MIS-interpret what I wrote and turn around backwards, the Exact meaning of My words. Go Back and read it word for word. Or don't you understand plain English. I'am starting to wonder if your worth My time. And you Not!
Never-Mind I'am through contributing to this forum. I have bigger problems to solve, and More Important People to Help. I've just been reminded Why I left in the first place, years ago!
quote:Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
I KNEW you would MIS-read and MIS-interpret what I wrote and turn around backwards, the Exact meaning of My words. Go Back and read it word for word. Or don't you understand plain English. I'am starting to wonder if your worth My time. And you Not!
Never-Mind I'am through contributing to this forum. I have bigger problems to solve, and More Important People to Help. I've just been reminded Why I left in the first place, years ago! Live and Learn. My Opinion is Not Respected. I don't have to Prove a Thing. "No Man is as Blind, as the Man who WON"T See".
quote:Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
2. My 357 Cleveland shows 525 HP 460 lb./ft. Torque. Granted, this is using the 'Desktop Dyno' program, Plus or Minus 4%. Not a real Dyno?
The specs. I punched in of My 357 Included, but were Not limited to:
10.6:1 C.R.
Dual 450 Holleys on a drastically modified Weiand Tunnel Ram.
Meticulously Selected Hydraulic Flat Tappet Cam. 560 Lift, 292 adv. Dur.
...Mark
quote:Originally posted by 8pack:quote:Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
2. My 357 Cleveland shows 525 HP 460 lb./ft. Torque. Granted, this is using the 'Desktop Dyno' program, Plus or Minus 4%. Not a real Dyno?
The specs. I punched in of My 357 Included, but were Not limited to:
10.6:1 C.R.
Dual 450 Holleys on a drastically modified Weiand Tunnel Ram.
Meticulously Selected Hydraulic Flat Tappet Cam. 560 Lift, 292 adv. Dur.
Martin, I believe you just proved what I have been saying. If you roll your 10.6:1 Dual Quad Tunnel Ram 357 Cleveland Pantera on a chassis dyno its going to be in the 400 hp range on pump gas. Everything I see for sale is not built even close to that and they all claim to make more power.
I just don't see very many street cars putting down over 550 hp to the wheels with small inch street engines. I think I might be able to do it but I don't have a small inch motor and more cam.
310/320 duration, 0.588/0.614"lift,Compression Ratio = 10.5:1, 2.200" intake valve, 1.76" exhaust valve
Flows approximately 330CFM/225CFM , 1000+cfm carb,
quote:Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
1. My name is Not Martin! I'am going to go ahead and assume, after ALL THIS, your NOT Playing with Me.
2. I was Specific! 357C 525 Horsepower AT THE FLYWHEEL! Minus 100 Lost through the ZF equates to 425 HP at the rear Wheels. Is That More Inline with Your Thinking?
quote:IF you look at the specifications of the 74 GTS, "Root Beer" that Gary Hall owned and Mike Cook put into the 9's at the drag strip, that engine was nothing more than a 357 cj with A3 Motorsport heads on it.
It probably would dyno right around 450 hp.
The "Dreaded" dog leg shift from first to second probably costs the equivalent of 300 HP in elapsed 1/4 mile time!!!...Markquote:Originally posted by 8pack:
I was looking for a 9 second Pantera on google but I could find anything. The best I could find was a turbocharged 680 hp Pantera that ran high 10s with 12 pounds of boost.
http://www.musclecarszone.com/...and-new-world-brawn/
Can you post a link. I would like to read some info about the car. Thanks
quote:Originally posted by 8pack:
I was looking for a 9 second Pantera on google but I could find anything. The best I could find was a turbocharged 680 hp Pantera that ran high 10s with 12 pounds of boost.
http://www.musclecarszone.com/...and-new-world-brawn/
Can you post a link. I would like to read some info about the car. Thanks
and I bet it wasn't cheap... I guessing he had a killer motor to make it happen. Ive had some pretty cool toys but I have only been able to get my bikes to run in the 9s. I am working on a new toy (jerico hemi gremlin) but I don't think it will make it either.quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship:
I use to own a customized Volkswagen Dune Buggy had compound reduction gears, would POP Wheelies as quickly as a fat kid eats an ice cream on a hot September afternoon.
The Wheelie was accomplished with having just 60 HP.
I DON'T even buy the 10.04 seconds at 142 MPH!!!
That NOW means "2" Dog Leg shifts!
A picture & descriptive verbiage DOES NOT equal FACT!!!
From the picture looks like a rather HOT DAY in Carlsbad, NOT the most optimum air temperature to be achieving 9 second 1/4 mile runs!
This "9" second horse has been adequately beaten to death.
In other news...I'm building a Pantera to orbit Mars, I'll take pictures & pen descriptive verbiage, THUS making it FACT!!!...Mark
I'm "Confused"!!!...hopefully you can clarify.quote:Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
THIS MY OPINION
1. 4.22 Stock Gears is still pretty Low.
2. We may be forgetting that relative to other Machines, the Pantera has NO Weight in the Nose.
3. With Exact Coordinated Use of the Clutch and Accelerator, Even I can bring the Nose of My pantera off the ground, as little as one inch.
4. I once owned a '78 Trans-Am Firebird with a .030" over 400 Iron Pontiac engine. I Stripped over 800 pounds off the car and Doubled the Horsepower to 500+. Another Dual-Quad 390cfm DP, Plus, Set-Up. The Torque? I don't know! I could Easily bring the Nose of that car 3-4 Inches off the ground, And NOT move FORWARD 2 Inches At Will. That Machine could do 0-100 MPH in 5.0 Seconds Flat! By a Stop-Watch! You think the Speedometer was Inaccurate? Actually, as the rear tires were 35" in Diameter, I was Going faster than 100MPH.
Now we will hear from the Non-Believers. Think about this...as soon as the Clutch was 'Dumped', the Machine was going 50 MPH! It has 4 more Seconds to shift through the gears. I believe I took Third Gear to 100 and never used Fourth in the 4-Speed. There was a witness passenger working the Stop-Watch, at another time, starting on the shoulder of the Freeway, I only pulled 7 seconds to 100 mph, with a rear tire Low on air.
In over 20 years of street racing the Pontiac was never defeated. Just Ask the Owner of the $90,000 Porsche. Hammering his fist on the Dash when I blew his 'Doors off' at the 'Light'! Or the 'Brothers' in Oakland, late one night, on the side of Warren Freeway, flipping Me the 'Bird', getting out of their car, just after Blowing the Engine Up, trying to keep-up and 'Top-End' Me. Oh, the gearing was just a 3.90 IMPOSSIBLE!! Don't believe it? Most people Don't! Even the Witness Didn't Believe! The Stop-Watch Doesn't lie!! I'am THAT Good.
And here is a Tip for All you want-to-be Racers. Since I No longer care about being 'King of the Mountain' and the PROS Already Know this 'Secret'....The technique to Being Undefeated is..You Don't Launch-off in First Gear, you don't even use first. you don't even 'Launch'! You 'Easily' and Controlled, Take-Off in Second Gear!! The result is, the rear tires are NEVER broken loose! You start already 'Hooked-Up'. You give Her the Gas for ALL She's Got! Meanwhile, Your Competition is just burning rubber, thinking he's some kind of Bad-Ass, and watching You Move Out! When he shifts into second You have Already Hit Third. Him Third You've Been in Fourth. He'll Never Catch You!! The Physics are...1\100th Second on 'The Line' equals 1\10th of a Second at the 1/4 Mile Finish! Now some of you must be asking Why I Never raced on a Track??? Ever? the answers are:
1. Too Many Rules!
2. My 'Street Machine' would Never have passed Qualification. It was Deemed 'Illegal' on the Racrtrack! Every Racetrack in the World! Illegal on the Street? Very Very Illegal on the Street!
3. I Never had the Monies! All My Money was spent on High Performance Parts, and Machine Shop Work! And as I have often been Quoted as saying..."Power is Expensive!". These days it's Very Expensive.
And Last 4. I was perfectly Satisfied just being 'King of the Road'. The Main Boulevard Road, the Stop-Light, Stop-Sign Road, and Every Backroad there was.
A 'Little' Ego showing here? If You don't have pride in what you built into your Machinery, Or You don't think Your the "Best There Is, Was or Ever Will Be; then you aught to stay home sitting on your couch and watching TV! Yes! Watching Others Racing, On TV!
Will We Hear from the Next Champian!
quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
In drag racing, in order to have a low elapsed time, you need torque multiplication in first gear.
The guide is to multiply the first gear ratio times the final drive ratio.
You want that number to be somewhere between about 11 and 15.
The Pantera has a first gear ratio of 2.20. The same as a GM t-10 does. The product of the rear and first gear is 9.284.
As such the quarter mile times will pretty much match a 65 GT350. It ran 14.8, 14.9. Just what the stock Pantera was timed at.
If you look at what Hall did, installed the 5.38 final drive, it produces a product of 11.836.
Compare that to a Mustang and Camaros with a 2.32 first (2.20 GM), 4.88 rears were the norm and probably the minimum to make the car run, those runs are pretty much 11's, sometimes dipping into the 10s? 11.3 is the ratio multiplication factor there.
The horsepower comes in for the trap speeds but it is ET's that win races.
It isn't necessarily the rear end ratio, it is the product of first gear times the rear.
Look at the new 6 speed ZF Butmore built. What is first gear? (hint, 3.27) What is the final drive ratio? (hint 4.22)
Those ratios are necessary to have a car run in current super car times of 0-60, 1/4 mile.
It isn't me. It's the physics of the situation.
Talk to the drag racers. They probably can explain it better than I?
quote:Originally posted by Hustler:
Like any hotrod group the pantera world is not void of folks exaggerating horsepower numbers. Either they get smoke blown up their a$$ by the builder/assembler or the cars get passed between owners with no real world tests to confirm said claims. Then you have the distinction between an engine dyno and a chassis dyno. Yeah great it makes xxx on an engine dyno, by the time you put on a typical pantera exhaust, accessories, through the zf you've lost over 100+hp on a chassis dyno as mentioned previously. So of course the owner would rather advertise the engine dyno number assuming they even have that. Part of the hotrodding territory I guess.
quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship:quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
In drag racing, in order to have a low elapsed time, you need torque multiplication in first gear.
The guide is to multiply the first gear ratio times the final drive ratio.
You want that number to be somewhere between about 11 and 15.
The Pantera has a first gear ratio of 2.20. The same as a GM t-10 does. The product of the rear and first gear is 9.284.
As such the quarter mile times will pretty much match a 65 GT350. It ran 14.8, 14.9. Just what the stock Pantera was timed at.
If you look at what Hall did, installed the 5.38 final drive, it produces a product of 11.836.
Compare that to a Mustang and Camaros with a 2.32 first (2.20 GM), 4.88 rears were the norm and probably the minimum to make the car run, those runs are pretty much 11's, sometimes dipping into the 10s? 11.3 is the ratio multiplication factor there.
The horsepower comes in for the trap speeds but it is ET's that win races.
It isn't necessarily the rear end ratio, it is the product of first gear times the rear.
Look at the new 6 speed ZF Butmore built. What is first gear? (hint, 3.27) What is the final drive ratio? (hint 4.22)
Those ratios are necessary to have a car run in current super car times of 0-60, 1/4 mile.
It isn't me. It's the physics of the situation.
Talk to the drag racers. They probably can explain it better than I?Doug!. Doug!!..Doug!!!...I'm SURPRISED at YOU!!!
Did you NOT read Marlin Jack's..."Secrets to Drag Racing"post???!!
You START IN SECOND GEAR!...ONLY SHIFT ONCE into Third gear!!!
What is this blasphemy you are espousing???!!
Talking about scientific FIRST gear Ratios & 6 SPEED transmissions???!!!
Did you NOT read the "King of the Mountain" post??!!
Your glass MUST be 1/2 full & cracked & teetering on the edge of the table with a young toddler positioned directly underneath!...Mark
quote:I wish that someone would dyno their engine after a new build and then chassis dyno their car afte
Well...Now that "We're Friends"!!!quote:Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
The Rocket Scientist is Confused??
I don't blame you. Now I'am going to spell IT out for You. When I'am done you'll be re-calibrating your BS Meter, Cause I 'ain't' heading 'Out the Front Door' anymore, although, I now, consider you to be a Friend. Oh, by the way.. you mis-spelled 'Fourth'!
I was writing about 3 Different and Separate (By Years)Incidences.
Incident 1) The Second Gear 'Take-Off' would be used at the Dragstrip, against the 'Lights'! As Far as 'Elapsed Times'...Even a Genious should Know, that the 'Clock' is Also Running on the Guy sitting there Burning Rubber, twiddling his thumbs, just waiting for the tires to lock-up, While the guy leaving in Second gear is MOVING almost Instantly! Did YOU even read this?? As Much "I canna Break the Laws of Physics Cap'n" (Scotti on Star Trek) The STOP_WATCH DOES NOT LIE!! Get the Picture now? Oh! and I forgot, as far as the lights, You don't dump the clutch on the Green Light, You dump on the LAST YELLOW! It takes That last split second before the Machine starts Moving forward and Cuts the Timer Light. NOT so soon as to 'red Light'. The guy who waits until the Green is left in the others' exhaust.
Incident 2) The TRUE scenario! Hayward California, I just got off work on West Winton, stopped at a red light, in the Trans-Am. I was in the right lane of 2, to continue forward, once the light turn Green. Low and behold, This guy pulls up in the 'Right turn only lane', and stops, he's going to jump forward and cut Me off, in the Intersection. He Thinks! He's in One of those Expensive Porsches, I MEAN Real EXPENSIVE Porsches!! A Turbo Something, kinda rounded, looks like a t*rd, boys with Small P***** buy them, think they get Girls.(They might get Girls, but they Don't get the Women)
Anyway...the Light Turns GREEN. Yes!! This time I'am Taking off in FIRST, High Pressure Fuel Pump-ON! I have a Surprise for You! We BOTH go for it. In an Explosion of Torque I took Him by On car Length! "Blew his SH** Into the Wind!!" If he hadn't backed-off in time, he would have taken out the fire hydrant on the next corner. I'am laughing the best laugh of my Lifetime, watching him in My rearview Mirror, Pounding, Pounding his fist into the dashboard of his 'second place' little Porsche. Praises to a 42 Pound Flywheel! Just one race of 100's in 2 Plus Decades.
Incident 3) TRUE SCENERIO: This was NOT a 'Standing Start'! Warren Freeway, Oakland California, 2:00AM in the Morning. I've been out Cruising all Night, my brother in the next seat. We're Cruising easy heading home about 65 MPH. Don't want to get 'Pulled Over'. Coming onto the freeway at the on-ramp we just passed, an Impala. It catches up to us, side by side, Revs the Engine Loud! I'am thinking WHY NOT, This is what we're here for! Together, we Both punch it for 'All she's got'. Pedal to the metal, Go for Broke! NO LETTING UP!! YES! MR 'ROCKET', I'am IN FOURTH GEAR!!! I don't have a Fifth. We got fast! Really Fast! Scary Fast! My Speedo was over 140 and the Dual 390's were still Making power with the tach reading 8200. He was still with Me, must have had a BIB BLOCK and gears. Nose to Nose, he might have even started pulling ahead by an Inch! I was starting to think...an I going to be the one to Chicken-Out? When, His Engine decided for us, and Blew-Up. I wasn't looking to see sparks or smoke, but the Noise was Incredible! Then I backed Off. In the Dim light of the Freeway in the rearview mirror, before getting over the hill and out of site, I watched as 3 Blacks exited their vehicle with their fists waving in the air. I'am sure one May have been flipping Me off. I wasn't going to stop and help, You pay your dues and you race. Win or loose. I'am reminded of this incident everytime I hear the line in that Bruce Springstein tune..."The Highway's Lined with Broken Heroes on a Last Chance Power Try".
In over 20 Years of Street Racing in that Trans-Am 400, I was Never defeated in 100's of races. That's what I built the Car for. Except just one single time on in Oakland, a 454 Camaro took Me off the Line, a un-planned, coincidental meeting at a red light! I had 'Forgotten' to switch-over from the Low Pressure Fuel Pump to the High Pressure. Never met him again for a re-match.
I Have been called a Liar Many, Many times in My life. I'll be 64 in November. I don't listen to it anymore. I've run into 100's of guys like that. They know everything. They bench race. They tell Me what Can't be done! They talk all their BS, thay Talk and Talk! I went Out a PROVED IT!!
Oh! one More thing about 'bringing the Nose off the Ground', It's Much easier to Do after you install a 'Torque Chain', it's A MUST!. I recommend not Smaller than 3/8" Links. You Don't know what a Torque Chain IS for, or where it goes? And you call yourself a 'Racecar Driver'!
Still Confused Rocket? Doug? Now I'am Laughing!
...Does this mean I'm on the highly coveted Marlin Jack Christmas Card Mailing List & also receive 25% OFF ALL Marlin Jack machined goods?! 
...MarkMy love is unconditional...Ohhhhhh SORRY!!!...WRONG PERSON!!!...Markquote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship:quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
In drag racing, in order to have a low elapsed time, you need torque multiplication in first gear.
The guide is to multiply the first gear ratio times the final drive ratio.
You want that number to be somewhere between about 11 and 15.
The Pantera has a first gear ratio of 2.20. The same as a GM t-10 does. The product of the rear and first gear is 9.284.
As such the quarter mile times will pretty much match a 65 GT350. It ran 14.8, 14.9. Just what the stock Pantera was timed at.
If you look at what Hall did, installed the 5.38 final drive, it produces a product of 11.836.
Compare that to a Mustang and Camaros with a 2.32 first (2.20 GM), 4.88 rears were the norm and probably the minimum to make the car run, those runs are pretty much 11's, sometimes dipping into the 10s? 11.3 is the ratio multiplication factor there.
The horsepower comes in for the trap speeds but it is ET's that win races.
It isn't necessarily the rear end ratio, it is the product of first gear times the rear.
Look at the new 6 speed ZF Butmore built. What is first gear? (hint, 3.27) What is the final drive ratio? (hint 4.22)
Those ratios are necessary to have a car run in current super car times of 0-60, 1/4 mile.
It isn't me. It's the physics of the situation.
Talk to the drag racers. They probably can explain it better than I?
Did you NOT read Marlin Jack's..."Secrets to Drag Racing"
You START IN SECOND GEAR!...ONLY SHIFT ONCE into Third gear!!!
What is this blasphemy you are espousing???!!
Talking about scientific FIRST gear Ratios & 6 SPEED transmissions???!!!
Did you NOT read the "King of the Mountain" post??!!
Your glass MUST be 1/2 full & cracked & teetering on the edge of the table with a young toddler positioned directly underneath!...Mark
I know...can you find it in you heart to forgive me?
quote:Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
What are You Guys SMOKING?? Give Me Some!!
Sure, Discounts all around! NOT!
You had to go and 'De-Fuse' Me.
Seriously, You two act like your at a Party.
We otta all hook-up with George for drinks, Sometime.
quote:Originally posted by mike the snake:
cam sheet
quote:Originally posted by LF - TP 2511:quote:I wish that someone would dyno their engine after a new build and then chassis dyno their car afte
Been done. Several times IIRC.
That is why we have come to accept the 20% - 25% figure.
Id like to see some if anyone can provide
Will
Larry
quote:Originally posted by mike the snake:
Here's a pic of my cam sheet.
My engine has 10.5-1 compression (all specs given to me by the seller and the ad for the car, which so far the information he's given has been bunk) BUT, it also has Roush/Yates C3L heads, and IR's with EFI, HUGE headers with collectors, and I'vebeen told my engine is in the 600-650 range.
Just changed out the rockers for new ones (the old ones were in bad shape.
Here's a pic of the injection.
Haven't dynoed the car yet (haven't had it running long enough yet lol, but the butt-dyno says it has every bit of 600-plus hp.
Now, today, I doubt it's making that much power unless I take it to above 8000 where the previous owner used to run this engine reglarly, I'm just stating what I'been told about my engine when I asked those who know more than myself.
quote:Originally posted by Marlin Jack:quote:Originally posted by mike the snake:
Here's a pic of my cam sheet.
My engine has 10.5-1 compression (all specs given to me by the seller and the ad for the car, which so far the information he's given has been bunk) BUT, it also has Roush/Yates C3L heads, and IR's with EFI, HUGE headers with collectors, and I'vebeen told my engine is in the 600-650 range.
Just changed out the rockers for new ones (the old ones were in bad shape.
Here's a pic of the injection.
Haven't dynoed the car yet (haven't had it running long enough yet lol, but the butt-dyno says it has every bit of 600-plus hp.
Now, today, I doubt it's making that much power unless I take it to above 8000 where the previous owner used to run this engine reglarly, I'm just stating what I'been told about my engine when I asked those who know more than myself.
Hello 'Cobra Snake' Mike!
First of All! That is one Beautiful 'Rig' You've got set-up there!! I'am a little Envious, as I'am sure others are, too.
I absolutely Agree, and believe You are Easily Pushing 600 Horsepower, and More!
That being said, and now that Your talking 8000 RPM, I feel compelled to advise you of a fact, you may Not be aware of. And Even though I may cause you more stress, and after All the Pain you have Suffered through, for this I Apologize in Advance!
Being a Machinist, 'Cursed' with an Eye for detail, I noticed this, and held back telling you, ever since you posted pictures of your Engines' Underside with 'Oil Pump', on your thread, 'Call for Help....'.
And with talk of blasts to over 8000 RPM, I'am telling you Now!
Although 'They' Are STUDDED, All that Power has been Built upon a '2 Bolt Block'! Now some may tell you, 'it makes No difference'. Maybe IT Does! And if the 'previous owner' says they have taken Her over that speed, I am nobody to contest that. The Fact would certainly be testimony to the Strength of 'Studded Mains'.
Now You know! I had to be the 'Bad Guy' and
Rain On Your Parade. And now you have One More Thing to worry about, the next time you take your Cat out to Race. And want to test for the 'Outer Limits' of RPM.
I've done My job. Maybe it'll save you continued Heartache.
All the Best!
