Seeking a picture (or pictures) of the Peter Revson air dam

Tom, I believe this is one.

is it steel of fiberglass, and how is it mounted? Just curious because the former owner of my Pantera added an air dam years ago and some people that see it think it's a Revson 

Dear Tom,

            I took that picture.  That car was indeed from the dealership affiliated with Peter Revson and the owner of that Pantera is quite proud of the Revson parts installed on it. 

           I cannot say with absolute certainty, but I am pretty sure that it is made of fiberglass.

                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

Thank you Chuck,

Tom

Here is a shot of mine. Made of fiberglass. Purchased from Hall Pantera in 1980 or so. Bill

I'm surprised it was discontinued, in my opinion look much better than many others, and likely functions better as well.

Thank you,

Tom

Tom, I agree on the looks. I've even considering making a copy of mine for my son's car if he can't find one somewhere.

Anybody got one they would part with?

Gentlemen,

The new forums make it easier to upload photos, with no prior editing required. Multiple photos can now be added to a single post. But the photos are not automatically embedded into your post as they were previously. Once the photos are uploaded two quick and simple extra steps are required to embed them. So I’ve performed a bit of editing to your posts. I clicked on the link under the attached photo which reads "insert into post body" ... which gives your 3 choices for the photo’s size and then inserts the picture where ever the cursor is flashing. Then, in the left hand column, under "settings", I checked the box which reads "collapse attachment box".

I think I understand

That isn't the original Revson Pantera spoiler. His hung down low in the front and had brake ducts.

I don't have a picture handy but I can tell you that it shows on one of the early magazine road tests that they had Revson driving in.

I want to say that it's Road and Track and it's a '71Pantera.

It had the reputation of being too low to use on a street car. It really hangs down in the weeds.

I actually thought it looked more like this one.  I need to look through my old copies of PI News....

I did note that the white car in the first picture had a Revson (red/white/blue R) logo in the frame...

Experts, correct me if I am wrong.

Or maybe this one...

NOTE:  I like both of these better than those square sucker boxes....

rocky posted:

Or maybe this one...

NOTE:  I like both of these better than those square sucker boxes....

This one is the GTS spoiler.

Is the search feature gone? This has been discussed here before.

There are two very similar, and great looking, red Panteras pictured above. Both were photographed at about the same frontal angle, but one was photographed at a slightly lower eye level, making it look more dominant  and muscular looking. Just an observation.

Thank you for the Revson air dam exploration, but I'm not sure if there is a consensus which one is an actual Revson product, or is there?

Tom,

 Don't know if this helps, but its a pic from an old catalog.

 John

FWIW Chuck Engle's picture posted by Tim S is the correct picture of a Revson spoilerr. John Buckman's picture is accurate as well. No brake ducts.

Chuck (Rocky) the flat spoiler is not a Revson spoiler. But it copies De Tomaso's earliest spoiler (mid to late 1970s), the one which preceded the better known GTS spoiler (in your second picture) which was a 1980s thing. In a catalog of "unobtrusive narrow body spoilers" I think one should also include the Amerisport spoiler, such as the one mounted on 6018. 

I've been thinking about having this one modified so there's no "cut-out" for the grill in the middle, just a flat spoiler all the way across. Are you reading this Kirk?

The search function is available and works better than ever.

-G

tomkuester posted:

There are two very similar, and great looking, red Panteras pictured above. Both were photographed at about the same frontal angle, but one was photographed at a slightly lower eye level, making it look more dominant  and muscular looking. Just an observation.

 

And the first one is actually a 1:18 model made by Kyosho...

https://www.autoevolution.com/...o-gallery-65717.html

George P posted:

FWIW Chuck Engle's picture posted by Tim S is the correct picture of a Revson spoilerr. John Buckman's picture is accurate as well. No brake ducts.

Chuck (Rocky) the flat spoiler is not a Revson spoiler. But it copies De Tomaso's earliest spoiler (mid to late 1970s), the one which preceded the better known GTS spoiler (in your second picture) which was a 1980s thing. In a catalog of "unobtrusive narrow body spoilers" I think one should also include the Amerisport spoiler, such as the one mounted on 6018. 

I've been thinking about having this one modified so there's no "cut-out" for the grill in the middle, just a flat spoiler all the way across. Are you reading this Kirk?

The search function is available and works better than ever.

-G

OK. Found the search function button.

I remember the Revson spoiler as having bigger "out riggers" on the sides. Some of these pics because of the angle of the camera, don't show them hiding in the shadows.

I'm wondering now if there was an early version that was revised for better clearances?

I think the only thing that really is practical on a Pantera is a completely flexable one. Especially on a lowered car.

When I first got my car, the steel sheet metal under the radiator support was torn off in a couple of spots from scraping on low curbs.

State codes have required the entrance "ramps" (across the sidewalks) to be revised to a more gradual entrance angle but we still have high Mangusta eating cast iron manhole covers sticking up here and there.

I long ago learned to look down the pavement surfaces of roads for protrusions but my wife still drives over things like curbs and Police motorcycles and when she hears the crunch says what was that?

It's the assassins that hide in the catch basin that are really issues now though. How they constructed those escape tunnels unnoticed needs to be reviewed by the Trump Administration. Probably a leftist conspiracy, right Donald? The wall will stop that.

It shows how observant I am regarding photographs. 1/6th scale, that's a nice model.

Mine is a fairly flexible GTS version. Definitely more subtle than some. Outside with my lower grille painted black, and my black L bumper it's hard to see unless focused on it.

Thanks, all for the clarifications.  I will admit I only noticed the first picture I posted was a model after I posted it, and saw how huge those bricks are in the background!

Rocky

I find aspects of the Revson and the Gran Turismo similar. Was the Gran Turismo based off if it?

Here is a better pic of Gran Turismo that I think looks like a Revson with an added lip.

Brett

Once the photos are uploaded two quick and simple extra steps are required. The first is to click on the link under the attached photo which reads "insert into post body" ... which gives you 3 choices for the photo’s size and then inserts (embeds) the picture where ever the cursor is flashing. You seem to have this part down.  Congrats!

The second step is to check the box which reads "collapse attachment box" in the left hand column, under "settings". This removes unnecessary clutter from the bottom of the posts. You hadn't  taken that second step so I’ve performed a bit of editing to your posts.

-G

FWIW, a few vendors have Revson molds and even NOS spoilers for sale. Call around. They are all fiberglas and do NOT have side pieces that flow into enhanced front fender flares. I have seen two versions sold as Revsons- the earlier is as above on some but not all the above posts. The presumably later version (that Peter Revson himself might not ever have seen!) looks like the early one but with a short splitter molded into the bottom for possibly better aero performance. I have an early one and like it because I find it attractive and it works well for its purpose but does not scrape the ground in turns, even on our modestly lowered '72.

I have a mold to make the "Gran Turismo" spoiler if someone is interested.

Ron 

OMG guys, did not see this post until now.  I just posted a note about the Revson spoiler in the parts forum.  I am building a mold soon. I also am building molds for the old Gran Turismo, GTS factory and 2 new versions of my own design. 

This is the one, right? 

Ron,

Is the mold good? I'll build one and see if it fits OK.

The GTS spoiler will look the same but WILL FIT the car and have hidden fasteners.  The GTS spoilers have been basterdized so much they are not even in the ball park of fitting,at least that is what I hear. The one I have is at least in the county of the ball park so it's workable---won't have to build from scratch.

kirkevans posted:

I am also building molds for … 2 new versions of my own spoiler design … 

Kirk

You've got my attention. My Pantera is currently equipped with one of your spoilers. I would possibly be interested in a new version … with 2 changes.  (1) Fill in the grill opening , and the notch under the grill opening, so it is flat across the front. (2) Add more resin and glass, especially along the bottom, reinforce it, make it 3X as thick,  so it will take hard scrapes, bumps into curbs, etc. without damage.

Besides eliminating nose lift, it would make a nice place to mount the front license plate.

-G

While these are not Revson air dams, I thought this worth posting up.

To order, you may be able to reach June at her old address.  She is pretty hot in the PI Newsletters.

Rocky, I think the front air dam shown in the second photo ad is the Revson Air Dam.

rmccall posted:

I have a mold to make the "Gran Turismo" spoiler if someone is interested.

 

Ron 

Hello

i got screwed by my glass man he was repairing my original GTS spoiler than he said he lost it, (??? scam

i would like to replace it, i don't like the fog light or air dam cutouts any suggestions or i have to make my own

how much is yours??

i will  try to attache a picture i hope it works 

That's an interesting number of ways to add an air dam. Personally I'm glad the owners are having fun with their cars regardless of how it accomplished. Once the car becomes merely a garage/trailer queen the fun mostly over. Drive them, show them, the days of our beautiful overpowered gasoline burners are quickly diminishing. Has anybody thought of converting to e-power?   

I've seen two versions of the curvy Revson front spoiler. My 1980 version looks exactly like the #2 photo while the later ones have a splitter-like horizontal lower extension.

Which one is the Revson spoiler is now very confusing to me.

I've got the "GT" from Hall.

I'm going to have to refer back to the magazine road test, if I can find it, that shows Revson with the test car.

That's going to be the only way to clear this in my mind now.

I'm convinced that the car does need something in the front and also that anything you put down there is very vulnerable to just about anything, so as George pointed out, a completely flexible material is probably a mandatory consideration and something that isn't expensive since it's going to likely get wrecked often.

I remember the Revson design projecting out further then the "GT" which is why I selected that one.

It also mounts above the bottom of the sheetmetal under the radiator support.

My local McDonalds has the bottom of my '16 Fusion nose all scraped up because of the angle of the exit ramp to the city street.

I can tell you that these exit ramps, in order to keep people walking from tripping need to be on the ratio of 1/2" change per foot of run. That's "about" what the cars need as well. That's rare to find for paving but required where the Building Departments are involved with site requirements FOR PEOPLE. Cars, that's a different story.

My Pantera is a lot lower then my Fusion and yet my TT has no issues BUT is much shorter from the center of the front wheel arch to the bottom of the nose. Not so the Pantera.

It will never get out of the McDonalds without $4000 worth of body damage.

The Revson front air dam is pictured in Revsons parts catalog

I have one on an original Revson Pantera

By the way I am looking to buy another one if anyone has one PM me!

Warren

I had supper with Larry Stock of PPC-Carson City NV last night, and he said he has three GTs spoilers and one series 1 Revson in stock today, plus the molds from the '70s for both to make more. The spoilers are in fiberglas but his pro fab shop can repro anything in carbon fiber... for far more $$$. Call or browse to <www.panterapartsconnection.com>