How rare are these louvers? Is there a vendor that makes and sells these anymore? I kind of like the look of them and am just curious.

Thanks!
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They are quite rare. They were made by Mindtrain back in the day. I have a copy of the original literature. They have up come up for sale once in a blue moon. I know of no vendor that still sells them.
In addition to the Mindtrain louvers, Hall Pantera sold some made by Shadow. Not near as nice as the Mindtrain so Gary quit selling them. The Mindtrain are aluminum and very well made.
Would be interested in a price on them, but preferably I would make my own in CF, since I have made a front lid in carbon fiber, and are looking into ordering a autoclave baked rear lid from Sweden..
Ron I may be interested if they are mindtrain louvers. Any idea if they would work with a sugar scoop with/without modifications? Send me a PM.
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Originally posted by lambolp400s:
If possible, I would like to see/have those drawings.


Lambo,
Give me your address and I'll get copies to you.
I spoke with my friend today. He does have a set that he wants to sell. I will post pictures of them as soon as I get them .
Any idea what they are worth?
I'm keen, but I'd like to know how much he wants for them. I;m happy to pay what they are worth if within my budget. James
Ron's photos show the type of louvers I have on my car. They are not the Mindtrain louvers.

The Mindtrain louvers don't have the exposed mounting rails and fasteners above the rim of the hood. I've never seen a set of Mindtrains in person, and don't know for sure how they mount, but the mounts are invisible in photos and they look much more like a high end product. I would expect the Mindtrain louvers to sell for two or three times the price of the louvers shown.

I mounted mine with some flat top sleeve nuts I got at Home Depot. They are used in those self assembled furniture kits you buy. They have them in their odd hardware drawers.

My louvers rattled. The rattle came from where each louver passes through the center brace. I took them back off and put a small bead of clear latex caulk on each side of the brace where the louver passes through on the underside where it would not show. No more rattles! Silicone might be more durable, but it is a bear to clean up if you ever re-paint the louver.

I thought I would regret not waiting for a set of Mindtrain louvers, but the truth is, I really don't mind the look of these at all now.

I always loved the look of the louvers on the Lamborgini Mura and the Boss 302.

There is NO loss of rear view whatsoever. So don't let that concern you.

All and all I'm happy with mine.

Mooso
Hey Ron, did that red "L" with the louvers come from Alabama, around 1990 or so? A friend here had a red, louvered "L" car, sold to Maryland back then. Just wondering.
A Hudson,
The car in the pictures is not fitted with the louvers. I just sat them on there to take the picture to post here.


Ron
I think mine must be the Mindtrain version?
It mounts with 4 bolts from underneath and the center rail rests on the top surface of the decklid.
They don't rattle, but they do vibrate visibly, no noise.
The center rail has a rubber cover(split fuel line) to keep from rubbing the deck paint.
Downside is there is no easy way to clean the deck surface with them mounted, they have to be removed.

fourdoorbronco, I have that same spoiler for my car. I just haven't gotten it painted and installed yet. Your car is the reason I started looking for louvers! I had seen some photos you posted in the past and I like the look of the spoiler, louver combination. Great looking car!!
Thanks 'dreamin,
It's amazing how much the louvers change the look of the car's profile.
I realy like the minimalist look of the Pantera's stock form dropping down from the upper roofline to the rear deck and revealing the motor lurking back there.

I also like the louvers because then you can just barely glimps the Cobra le mans valve covers and air cleaner lid.
5 minutes with a wrench and you can have either. Big Grin
The louvers (like a 'boxer' roof-spoiler) will change the rear end airflow, and might actually make the rear wing or a spoiler more effective. Need some tests at higher speeds from you guys that run these!
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Downside is there is no easy way to clean the deck surface with them mounted, they have to be removed.


The original fasteners allowed them to swivle on the upper mount. From the Mind-Train Window Louvers sale brochure:

"Our louvers are secured to the deck lid at four points utilizing winghead Camloc fasteners. (Camloc fasteners are used in the aircraft industry and are similar to Dzus fasteners.) The two forward fasteners attach to the side struts and double as in-line pivot points. The remaining two hold the rear down and are quickly unlocked to allow tilting of the louvers for easy cleaning of the deck lid. A rubber-footed support rod is provided to eliminate the need for a buddy to hold up the louvers during cleaning."
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Good info cat', do you have a brochure?
Any chance you could scan it?
I think I have a Mindtrain catalog, I'll have to look through it.
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Originally posted by cat7195:
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Downside is there is no easy way to clean the deck surface with them mounted, they have to be removed.


The original fasteners allowed them to swivle on the upper mount. From the Mind-Train Window Louvers sale brochure:

"Our louvers are secured to the deck lid at four points utilizing winghead Camloc fasteners. (Camloc fasteners are used in the aircraft industry and are similar to Dzus fasteners.) The two forward fasteners attach to the side struts and double as in-line pivot points. The remaining two hold the rear down and are quickly unlocked to allow tilting of the louvers for easy cleaning of the deck lid. A rubber-footed support rod is provided to eliminate the need for a buddy to hold up the louvers during cleaning."
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Originally posted by Panteradreamin:
Anyone want to post up what a set of the Mind Train louvers are worth?


In Mind-Train's 1970's brochure the price is listed as $385. In their 1980 catalog, they list for $2000. I paid $400 for the louvers and $125 actual ground freight shipping cost. Very large box. 48 x 48 x 24. That was 3 1/2 years ago. They did need some minor repair.
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