I need a couple of Universal joints for my drive shaft, I want to get them here in England, can someone let me know the designation number of the UJ, or let me have the correct size please
regards Peter
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Peter,
Many years ago, I ordered a set of Pantera u-joints from Powertrain Industries in Southern California. I was curious about the origin when I ordered them, so I asked the guy taking the order what they were from. He told me they were driveshaft u-joints from a 1970's Toyota 2WD pickup truck. He said that as the Toyota joints were "a thou' or two" longer than the OEM Pantera u-joints, they supply them with snap rings that are thinner by the appropriate amount.
Since then, I've heard the same thing from a number of people but I don't know of anyone who's actually bothered to confirm it. That's because Powertrain Industries doesn't increase the price because the box says "Pantera" on it, rather than "Toyota". It could be a story but it might not hurt to take an OEM u-joint and snap ring to a driveshaft shop to see if it's true.
Many years ago, I ordered a set of Pantera u-joints from Powertrain Industries in Southern California. I was curious about the origin when I ordered them, so I asked the guy taking the order what they were from. He told me they were driveshaft u-joints from a 1970's Toyota 2WD pickup truck. He said that as the Toyota joints were "a thou' or two" longer than the OEM Pantera u-joints, they supply them with snap rings that are thinner by the appropriate amount.
Since then, I've heard the same thing from a number of people but I don't know of anyone who's actually bothered to confirm it. That's because Powertrain Industries doesn't increase the price because the box says "Pantera" on it, rather than "Toyota". It could be a story but it might not hurt to take an OEM u-joint and snap ring to a driveshaft shop to see if it's true.
David thanks for the info.
up to putting on the post this afternoon I had had no luck, Hall Pantera only knew they were from "The factory", the ones they sold anyway.
But I have found a company in the UK that say they recognise the UJ by the following dimensions
1, cup diameter is 32mm
2 span between cups when in place is 106mm
They are listed as a FIAT UJ.
They are posting a pair out to me tomorrow.
But they are expensive at £36+17% tax then postage!
I hope they are the correct ones !
up to putting on the post this afternoon I had had no luck, Hall Pantera only knew they were from "The factory", the ones they sold anyway.
But I have found a company in the UK that say they recognise the UJ by the following dimensions
1, cup diameter is 32mm
2 span between cups when in place is 106mm
They are listed as a FIAT UJ.
They are posting a pair out to me tomorrow.
But they are expensive at £36+17% tax then postage!
I hope they are the correct ones !
please do report back
Don't count on the girls at Hall Pantera to have a lot of technical knowledge about the parts they sell. Good on them for selling them, though.
my quick searches today for U joint info looks like the imperial 1.187" (30,2mm) X 4.187" (106,3mm) are sold WITH cap sleeves and thin snap rings.
I stumbled accross a "CarQuest"'s GMB UJ cataloge
http://www.carquestprofessiona...9_UJ_FullCatalog.pdf
Page 40 list the Pantera as thier 220-2010
and page 201 gives the diminesions as 1.260" (32mm) X 4.173" (106mm)
Summit shows available at $21
http://www.summitracing.com/pa...2NmcoCFZIWHwodHwAESw
I stumbled accross a "CarQuest"'s GMB UJ cataloge
http://www.carquestprofessiona...9_UJ_FullCatalog.pdf
Page 40 list the Pantera as thier 220-2010
and page 201 gives the diminesions as 1.260" (32mm) X 4.173" (106mm)
Summit shows available at $21
http://www.summitracing.com/pa...2NmcoCFZIWHwodHwAESw
Peter, the UJ is a standard ZF part for Tractors 
When I had rebuild mine with UJ imported from the US I took them to a local shop that rebuilds Brake, Clutch and Driveshaft parts etc. to have them balanced and the owner was laughing when I told him about the hassle to get (expensive) parts imported from the US. He showed me their stock of those exact UJ and probably he had 30-40 of them in a Box. Standard part for ZF Auxilary output on many Tractors, so readily available and much cheaper than paying shipping and Import duty. But unfortunately too late in my case. Should be no problem to find them in the UK as well I suppose, otherwise let me know and I can send 4 from DK. (after 20/1 when I get back home)
When I had rebuild mine with UJ imported from the US I took them to a local shop that rebuilds Brake, Clutch and Driveshaft parts etc. to have them balanced and the owner was laughing when I told him about the hassle to get (expensive) parts imported from the US. He showed me their stock of those exact UJ and probably he had 30-40 of them in a Box. Standard part for ZF Auxilary output on many Tractors, so readily available and much cheaper than paying shipping and Import duty. But unfortunately too late in my case. Should be no problem to find them in the UK as well I suppose, otherwise let me know and I can send 4 from DK. (after 20/1 when I get back home)
quote:Originally posted by JFB #05177:
please do report back
They were wrong, cup dia ok but cup length 4mm shorter,span larger by 2.5mm
will try and sort out on monday, but goodrocks info could be the answer if I don't get the correct units soon.
quote:I need a couple of Universal joints for my drive shaft,
I trust you are sure these are original drive shafts?
I only ask as many USA cars converted to Spicer half shafts. If your car was so converted, you should find the word "Spicer" on one or more of the pieces.
Larry
new uj sizes
E 18mm original 21mm
AB 108mm original 106mm
CD was ok at 32mm
for your info JBF 5177
Larry thanks for the heads up on spicer driveshafts, but I cannot see that name anywhere, By the way my driveshafts were painted a light metallic Green, is this normal production colour for the Pantera?
E 18mm original 21mm
AB 108mm original 106mm
CD was ok at 32mm
for your info JBF 5177
Larry thanks for the heads up on spicer driveshafts, but I cannot see that name anywhere, By the way my driveshafts were painted a light metallic Green, is this normal production colour for the Pantera?
from what I have read/found online,
the Spicer replacement driveshafts would use the imperial size Spicer 3-2-159 yoke with dimensions to accept the 1.187" (30,2mm) X 4.187" (106,3mm) UJs
where the original driveshaft yoke was the 32mm X 106mm UJs
the discription of your "new" UJ appears just to be wrong A/B dimesnion
the Spicer replacement driveshafts would use the imperial size Spicer 3-2-159 yoke with dimensions to accept the 1.187" (30,2mm) X 4.187" (106,3mm) UJs
where the original driveshaft yoke was the 32mm X 106mm UJs
the discription of your "new" UJ appears just to be wrong A/B dimesnion
I understand the original shafts had a green anodized-like finish on them.
Rocky
Rocky
Spicer halfshafts were gold-alodined while stockers were a greenish hammertone. Spicers use Ford F-500 truck u-joints. Stock halfshafts use even larger ones! Most aftermarket joints once sold for stock-replacement did in fact need super-thin retaining rings, and some combinations had tolerance stack-ups that needed the thinnest rings carefully stoned down even further.
On one car, I had to take the cross out of a u-joint assembly and wheel-grind the ends down a bit, re-chamfer and then regrease them. Works fine as long as you don't turn them blue during grinding. Note that brand new u-joints (any brand, any car) only have shelf-storage grease on them in the box- not nearly enough grease to run 300 bhp through! Or at least not for long...
On one car, I had to take the cross out of a u-joint assembly and wheel-grind the ends down a bit, re-chamfer and then regrease them. Works fine as long as you don't turn them blue during grinding. Note that brand new u-joints (any brand, any car) only have shelf-storage grease on them in the box- not nearly enough grease to run 300 bhp through! Or at least not for long...
quote:Originally posted by JFB #05177:
from what I have read/found online,
the Spicer replacement driveshafts would use the imperial size Spicer 3-2-159 yoke with dimensions to accept the 1.187" (30,2mm) X 4.187" (106,3mm) UJs
where the original driveshaft yoke was the 32mm X 106mm UJs
the discription of your "new" UJ appears just to be wrong A/B dimesnion
Latest information, I called my supplier and informed him that the differences were
107.9 instead of 106.2mm
and the height of the cup (E) is 3mm shorter than original. 18mm instead of 21mm.
His reply was that the 107.9 would compress to 106.2 when fitted and he was correct.
He also said that the 3mm difference was unimportant and would be perfectly acceptable.
not being an expert at sod all, I just have to believe him. I just need to repair the driveshaft which was damaged whenever years ago that the old UJ failed, fingers crossed.
so the extra lenght of the cross was due to the cups not being pressed together.
too late now, but working with similair assemblies, removing the grease zerk to allow air to escape could have helped when installing. (but there would have been the "spring" of the rubber seals also)
can you share the make and part # of the ones you installed?
too late now, but working with similair assemblies, removing the grease zerk to allow air to escape could have helped when installing. (but there would have been the "spring" of the rubber seals also)
can you share the make and part # of the ones you installed?
quote:Originally posted by JFB #05177:
so the extra lenght of the cross was due to the cups not being pressed together.
too late now, but working with similair assemblies, removing the grease zerk to allow air to escape could have helped when installing. (but there would have been the "spring" of the rubber seals also)
can you share the make and part # of the ones you installed?
The info I have regarding the new U J's is
a couple of pics and the contact email where I bought them.
2 X cost £73 less tax and post costs from
Driveline hydraulic Engineering ltd
Whitelund Ind Est
Morecombe
LA3 3BS
England
e mail Noel at propshaft repairs@gmail.com
