Vendor/s for Windshield & Gasket/Rubber

Johnny, did you ever manage to measure your windscreen. I'd really like to compare a good fitting windscreen to the Safevue screen that I took out before I go to all the trouble and cost of getting a rubber and trying to fit the glass back in properly, and then find that it's no better than it was because the glass was too small.

Kirk reckons that the Vericon screens were crap and way too small, but I haven't had any feedback on Safevue.

Have you used the Cicognani rubbers on a Pantera. Probable whay Roland sells given that they are in Italy?

Hi Rob,

I did not measure my screen sorry. I have no personal experience with the Cicogani Pantera rubber.
I dont know where Roland gets his from.
If you try to fit your windscreen and are not happy with the size you will be able to reuse the rubber. You simply reverse the installation process by pushing the rubber behind the lip one piece at a time until there is nothing holding it in. Then clean the silicone off the rubber.

Johnny

OZ, to my recollection, ALL stock Pantera windshields were smaller than they should be. Hold the glass up to the body opening and you'll find that it will fall through the opening. Which is why we need to glue the gasket onto the body to prevent water leaks- if you drive your car in rain, of course. I know of several well-done $80,000 Panteras in CA that carry a towel in the glove box for the passenger to use if it rains.
The small size of stock glass is also why a gasket-less windshield first needs a 2" wide piece of sheet metal TIG-welded around the entire body opening, so the glass has something to contact. There may have been a few aftermarket windshields made by someone for cementing on, that fit without all that welding & metal straightening, but if so I don't know who the supplier was.

Thanks Jack. So all screens are too small, and the Vericon is stupidly small?

Looks like a rubber from Germany and put my safevue screen back in is probably as good as it gets without major works then.

Wilkinson sells a modern style glue in windscreen, which if you have to buy a gasket and screen is worthy of consideration. IMO it modernizes the look of the car.

Julian

Problem is in the shipping Julian. It's too big for Mike so it would need to be sent to LA, then on a ship to Melbourne and I'd see it sometime in February. And will it be in one piece when it arrives?

I have been in touch with Roland Jaeckel in Germany who was kind enough to measure the factory glass that he uses in Europe. These measurements will be gold for anyone researching a windscreen in the future. I've asked two American vendors to do the same measurements for me of their offerings but haven't had an answer back yet.

Original glass:

From corner to corner bottom 1550 mm
From corner to corner top 1095 mm
From corner to corner side 592 mm
Center height 670 mm

My Safevue glass:

From corner to corner bottom 1493 mm (less 7mm)
From corner to corner top 1093 mm (less 2mm)
From corner to corner side 585 mm (less 7mm)
Center height 663 mm (less 7mm)

No wonder my glass didn't fit into the rubber gasket properly and was leaking for the last years.

Next problem, how do I get an original size glass from Germany to Australia?

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And will it be in one piece when it arrives?

I had a windshield shipped from Wilkinson.The packing crate was over the top. You could drive a truck over it, and it would be fine.
Will

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Originally posted by 4NHOTROD:

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And will it be in one piece when it arrives?

I had a windshield shipped from Wilkinson.The packing crate was over the top. You could drive a truck over it, and it would be fine.
Will

I'll second that. Wilkinson's packaging job was superb. It would put up with alot of abuse.
Doug M

What I can't get from Steve is the dimensions of his windscreens.

His cost is fine and although shipping to my Third World country will be horrendous, I'd be nearly happy to do that if only I knew that the size was right.

Robert,
My Wilkinson windshield is still in the box in my garage. If you would like I will open it up and get the measurements you are looking for. Can't get at it until the weekend if that's o.k.
My glass is the original size to be used with the rubber.
Doug M

Doug you legend.

Be bloody careful with it, but what I need is the sizes measures across the inside (non curved) part of the glass. Top to top corner, bottom to bottom corner, length of each side and centre line, base to top.

Also, see if there is a manufacturers marking in the centre base or off to one side as it will give some specifications and maybe also the manufacturer of the glass itself.

I take it that this is the windscreen that Wilkinson's are currently selling as a 'genuine' size? This is probably what he offered me last week.

Robert,

Here you are

corner to corner bottom 1506 mm
corner to corner top 1095 mm
corner to corner left side 591 mm
corner to corner right side 592 mm
centre top to bottom 672 mm

except for the corner to corner bottom it looks very close to bang on the original specs

added photos of the markings but there is no indication of the manufacturer

Cheers,
Doug M

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markings

last one

The DOT 177 identifies the manufacturer. In this case, it is listed as L-N Safety Glass S.A. De C.V. of Mexico (manufacturer's name), Toledo, OH, USA.

The M67 is a manufacturer's model number for the piece of glass, which identifies the type of construction. The M number is unique to the manufacturer, so another manufacturer could have the same M number, but assigned to a different glass.

The "AS" number stands for "American Standard" (and I thought they made plumbing fixtures ). The number following the "AS" indicates the position in which the glass may be used, based on its optical quality. AS-1 is the clearest glass (at least 70% light transmission), is laminated, and can be used anywhere in a motor vehicle (typically just the windshield). AS-2 and AS-3 cannot be used for windshields.

John

Doug,

In your "markings" pic, where is that printing located? My Wilkinson glass does not have that marking, unless it's covered by the rubber.

John

On a black trim car, Wilkinson's glued in windscreen may be to your liking as well. I'm sure that he would send you a photo of that install -- although not everyone's cup of tea. It would also stiffen up the chassis as well. No trim is used at all with the glued in windscreen. Again, best to take a look from Wilkinson sending you a photo, or from someone here who has one installed.

Mark

John,

The small printing in the photo is right on the edge of the glass and would be covered by the rubber.

Do you have the DT DOT 177 LAMINATED visible in the bottom corner of yours?

Thanks,
Doug M