This started off talking about 'other cars in the garage' with all its V8 resource-wasting wonderfulness. Now we're talking about the greening of the planet. I'm losing the will to live.
Okay, my wife has a 400H. She's saving trees, spotted owls, and making Al Gore happy.
Please someone resurrect this thread with a tire-burning, carbon-footprint swelling over- abundance of raw horsepower. I beg you.
quote:Originally posted by A Hudson:
This started off talking about 'other cars in the garage' with all its V8 resource-wasting wonderfulness. Now we're talking about the greening of the planet. I'm losing the will to live.
Okay, my wife has a 400H. She's saving trees, spotted owls, and making Al Gore happy.
Please someone resurrect this thread with a tire-burning, carbon-footprint swelling over- abundance of raw horsepower. I beg you.
We are definitely not green people at all. In the past we had a Hummer H2, Twin-turboed V8 Sandcar, and a Supercharged V8 Chevy truck that got like 8 miles to the gallon. Our Volt was our way to save money. We're contemplating buying a bumper sticker that reads "We don't care about the earth."
Don't worry though, our Pantera and Diesel truck burn tires and swell our carbon footprint.
I just read an article where they compared the emissions of a 2-stroke and a 4-stroke leaf blower to a Fiat 500 and a Ford Raptor V8 truck, the vehicles had far lower emissions ... http://content.usatoday.com/co...af-blower-pollute-/1
They said that emissions from 1/2 hour with the leaf blower is the equivalent of a drive from Texas to Alaska in the Raptor ... if only the truck used the same amount of fuel! I wonder if anyone has calculated the emissions from a coal fired generator to provide an electric car with enough juice to drive that distance? (but then someone would want to know the emissions coming from a oil refinery for the fuel the truck would use and the battle would rage on)
My hat is off to Adams for doing his part to show the world that a Pantera can be 'Green'
They said that emissions from 1/2 hour with the leaf blower is the equivalent of a drive from Texas to Alaska in the Raptor ... if only the truck used the same amount of fuel! I wonder if anyone has calculated the emissions from a coal fired generator to provide an electric car with enough juice to drive that distance? (but then someone would want to know the emissions coming from a oil refinery for the fuel the truck would use and the battle would rage on)
My hat is off to Adams for doing his part to show the world that a Pantera can be 'Green'
quote:Originally posted by #5754:
I just read an article where they compared the emissions of a 2-stroke and a 4-stroke leaf blower to a Fiat 500 and a Ford Raptor V8 truck, the vehicles had far lower emissions ... http://content.usatoday.com/co...af-blower-pollute-/1
They said that emissions from 1/2 hour with the leaf blower is the equivalent of a drive from Texas to Alaska in the Raptor ... if only the truck used the same amount of fuel! I wonder if anyone has calculated the emissions from a coal fired generator to provide an electric car with enough juice to drive that distance? (but then someone would want to know the emissions coming from a oil refinery for the fuel the truck would use and the battle would rage on)
My hat is off to Adams for doing his part to show the world that a Pantera can be 'Green'
I am afraid we have some pretty clean air in this country compared to what it used to be. I remember being on a street corner in the 70's and not being able to get away form the noxious fumes. It just isn't that way anymore. My father talked about the coal fire heaters in the 50's. When they went to school, the first thing they did was wipe the soot off the tables.
We equate a hazy day to pollution when 99.9% is just atmospheric conditions holding dust in the air. We have gotten to a point in society where the hype is huge but reality is something different.
Look at weather; 20 years ago when I would go for a flight on a day with thunderstorms I would be given a briefing of the thunderstorm in latitude and longitude coordinates with general descriptions from observations 1-5 hours old.
Today a small rain show will cause your tv program to be interrupted with a play by play covering the street address of the rain shower like it has never rained before.
Not that we should not always be striving to do better, but anymore, the Medea bandwagon takes us on a trip which lands in "OZ" not in reality. In tv land it feels good to use electricity which burns coal and has a ton of disposal and economic issues.
I remember growing up with a $500 car and engine issues. I spent a lot of time putting pencils in cracked or broken vacuum lines just to make the car run half way descent to get to school.
Now my child has a $5000 and we are trouble shooting problems with OBD readers and ordering $500 worth of parts to fix it.
What will happen when your child buys a 10 year old electric vehicle and they have to buy $5000 worth of batteries, they have to pay for battery recycle fees or they will go to jail, we have battery recycle and toxin problems worse then tires reclamation,....
all so we can feel good about burning coal which we don't see instead of gas which we actually touch. It's the modern media.
I don't mean to be so negative. I think electric cars are neat when they develop on their own for their own reason (not shoved down our throats). I have an old Cushman for running back and forth to the shop. I had thought about building an electric vehicle (I even have a skid load of Cushman parts, axles, etc to do it); but not because I believe it will do anything for the environment, only that it makes sense.
As far as gas cars on highways being better, that is long known as the case; gas cars are far more efficient. Electric cars far more efficient for stop and go traffic and short trips; unless you think electricity comes from pixie dust instead of coal!
quote:Originally posted by #5754
My hat is off to Adams for doing his part to show the world that a Pantera can be 'Green'
That is awesome about the Raptor vs. The Leaf Blower. I shall quote that.
And yes, I AM doing my part to be green! Ha! I are a enviromentalist! Maybe I'm ready to participate in an "Occupy Shell Station" to show my disdain for Ethanol. Who's with me?
I have a number of classic cars as you can see from the avitar. I too am beginning to convert my daily drivers to econo boxes. I have an 04 Focus and we just bought a 11 Fiesta for my wife to replace her gas hog 04 MBZ ML350. It does in fact come down to economics. I still have my MBZ E500 for family trips and My Dodge 3500 Cummins 6spd manual. (I love that truck with its 21mpg) I am not an eco idiot. I do support the environment, especially when it affects my pocket book. Why be a pig?
Some goodies but no big garage at the moment.
Pantera 71
Charger 73
Pontiac GTO 69
Mercury Cougar 68
Chevy Captiva
Peugeot 607
My wife has Citroen c3. She doesn't dare to drive on motorway.
I guess I still have to fit something for year 70
Pantera 71
Charger 73
Pontiac GTO 69
Mercury Cougar 68
Chevy Captiva
Peugeot 607
My wife has Citroen c3. She doesn't dare to drive on motorway.
I guess I still have to fit something for year 70
quote:What will happen when your child buys a 10 year old electric vehicle and they have to buy $5000 worth of batteries!
No child of mine will be buying a 10 year old electric vehicle!!!
quote:I don't mean to be so negative. I think electric cars are neat when they develop on their own for their own reason (not shoved down our throats).
I don’t know… sounds pretty negative to me, and who is shoving it down your throat? We have ours for simply economics… I don’t really care where our electricity comes from but I am pretty sure it is hydroelectric for where we live…
quote:As far as gas cars on highways being better, that is long known as the case; gas cars are far more efficient. Electric cars far more efficient for stop and go traffic and short trips; unless you think electricity comes from pixie dust instead of coal!
Not sure where you get your statistics from to say gas cars are more efficient. But who cares anyway. I can tell you that by my wife driving the Volt it saves my household about $250.00 per month. And yes, that is after I spend the extra $45 a month for electricity to charge it. Not sure who thought electricity comes from pixie dust…
Who do you think shoves it down our throats? Do you really want to go down why our country is doing things which make gas over $3 fighting the oil industry while investing corruptly in green energy companies and on and on?
When you save $250 a month in gas...I don't spend half that much a year driving a diesel truck by the way....you have to ask what you are comparing it to. If you compare a car which is peppy and gets 20mpg that how is that fair compared to an electric which can barley hold it's own on a highway. My wife's RAV4 will out run most 1970 muscle cars and run highway speeds all day long well over a 100 with ease but I would never try to compare that to an electric or hybrid.
The gas engine is horribly inefficient in town which everyone knows; it is where electrics shine. Jay Leno has a 1910 electric car the elderly female owner was driving it in city as late as 10 years ago. Stop and go driving, short trips, etc electrics and golf carts shine.
In highway usage hybrids have to shift to the gas engine to make up for their shortcomings. That is why I said ELECTRICS don't do as well on the highway and long trips. It's not rocket science.
When you save $250 a month in gas...I don't spend half that much a year driving a diesel truck by the way....you have to ask what you are comparing it to. If you compare a car which is peppy and gets 20mpg that how is that fair compared to an electric which can barley hold it's own on a highway. My wife's RAV4 will out run most 1970 muscle cars and run highway speeds all day long well over a 100 with ease but I would never try to compare that to an electric or hybrid.
The gas engine is horribly inefficient in town which everyone knows; it is where electrics shine. Jay Leno has a 1910 electric car the elderly female owner was driving it in city as late as 10 years ago. Stop and go driving, short trips, etc electrics and golf carts shine.
In highway usage hybrids have to shift to the gas engine to make up for their shortcomings. That is why I said ELECTRICS don't do as well on the highway and long trips. It's not rocket science.
quote:Originally posted by comp2:
When you save $250 a month in gas...I don't spend half that much a year driving a diesel truck by the way....you have to ask what you are comparing it to. If you compare a car which is peppy and gets 20mpg that how is that fair compared to an electric which can barley hold it's own on a highway. My wife's RAV4 will out run most 1970 muscle cars and run highway speeds all day long well over a 100 with ease but I would never try to compare that to an electric or hybrid.
Which is why I meant to point out many cars get well over 35mpg which would be more of a fair comparison; without the cost and complicity.
quote:Who do you think shoves it down our throats? Do you really want to go down why our country is doing things which make gas over $3 fighting the oil industry while investing corruptly in green energy companies and on and on?
When you save $250 a month in gas...I don't spend half that much a year driving a diesel truck by the way....you have to ask what you are comparing it to. If you compare a car which is peppy and gets 20mpg that how is that fair compared to an electric which can barley hold it's own on a highway. My wife's RAV4 will out run most 1970 muscle cars and run highway speeds all day long well over a 100 with ease but I would never try to compare that to an electric or hybrid.
The gas engine is horribly inefficient in town which everyone knows; it is where electrics shine. Jay Leno has a 1910 electric car the elderly female owner was driving it in city as late as 10 years ago. Stop and go driving, short trips, etc electrics and golf carts shine.
In highway usage hybrids have to shift to the gas engine to make up for their shortcomings. That is why I said ELECTRICS don't do as well on the highway and long trips. It's not rocket science.
I have no idea what you are talking about???? Why are you making this a political thing???
I never said an electric car would perform better than any other car.
I SIMPLY SAID IT WAS SAVING ME MONEY ON GAS....
As far as being peppy. The Volt is very "peppy" with 300lbs or torque... Have you even driven one???
My god! What is the big deal here? I purchased an electric vehicle with one thing in mind, to lower my gas bill. And for that it is working just fine. I could care less how much you spend on diesel by the way!
I am not sure what has you riled up. I never said they weren't zippy around town; it's where they shine; not the highway and long distance. In fact in made the point referencing highway driving not city driving.
You asked the question ...who is shoving it down our throats and you can't answer that question without getting political.
My point which I am trying not to make political is; and which I stated it earlier, is...
It should develop on it's own merit. There are good markets and good reasons for electrics and the market has opened the doors to some pretty neat applications; applications many never saw coming. The electric motors really took off in different hobbies such as R/C airplanes and cars which really laid the ground work for cars and everything else.
I even said I am interested in electrics or my own purposes.
I understand YOU save money but I would question the comparisons to the highway points I was making. A gas only car designed for gas mileage would kick an electrics butt on the highway; it's just fact. I didn't say you, around town, compared to the SUV or whatever you traded in, driving in city, traffic, etc.
In considering saving money I would have to ask about the cost of the car, the cost of battery replacement, the government subsidies on electric cars and the fact that the electricity on electric cars is not taxed for public road use; yet.
I am sorry if me having an opinion offends you.
You asked the question ...who is shoving it down our throats and you can't answer that question without getting political.
My point which I am trying not to make political is; and which I stated it earlier, is...
It should develop on it's own merit. There are good markets and good reasons for electrics and the market has opened the doors to some pretty neat applications; applications many never saw coming. The electric motors really took off in different hobbies such as R/C airplanes and cars which really laid the ground work for cars and everything else.
I even said I am interested in electrics or my own purposes.
I understand YOU save money but I would question the comparisons to the highway points I was making. A gas only car designed for gas mileage would kick an electrics butt on the highway; it's just fact. I didn't say you, around town, compared to the SUV or whatever you traded in, driving in city, traffic, etc.
In considering saving money I would have to ask about the cost of the car, the cost of battery replacement, the government subsidies on electric cars and the fact that the electricity on electric cars is not taxed for public road use; yet.
I am sorry if me having an opinion offends you.
I would also point out that much of my reference was specifically to electrics not necessarily hybrids. Hybrids add an engine which; while being more complicated level the playing field on the highway.
quote:I am sorry if me having an opinion offends you.
Actually, I don't think you are...
This thread was about what other cars people had in the garage. Then you go on a rant about how electric cars suck and that us owners don't have the brains to understand that electricity costs money... your reference to pixie dust. That was what offends me, not your opinion.
We did quite a lot of research before making the decision to buy such a car. Regarding subsidies, they are substantial.
If I thought that posting the kind of car I had would cause such a stir I would not have posted. Your the one that went on a rant about electric cars.
I had a lot of respect for you with the work you have done and have followed your posts up till now.
Whatever. I don't think you ever really read what I wrote.
quote:Whatever. I don't think you ever really read what I wrote.
Right back at you... I'm done!!!!
Sheesh, that was exciting! Don't stop now.
Aside from my cat, I have a '99 Cobra SVT, supercharged and intercooled ...and crashed regularly by my kids. Not a body panel has been spared. It's a nice ragtop and is great in the summer.
My '07 Escalade ESV is my daily driver. Big enough for the kids and dogs and all the stuff we consumer. Speaking of consuming, it uses a bit of fuel. I don't drive it much, but you can't beat it for a road trip. Long wheelbase, 400+ hp and quiet as can be.
The wife has the Merc GLK350 which is so freakin' modern and nimble there is nothing about it that a guy like me could enjoy. It is very efficient on fuel and I drive it only when I have no choice.
Aside from my cat, I have a '99 Cobra SVT, supercharged and intercooled ...and crashed regularly by my kids. Not a body panel has been spared. It's a nice ragtop and is great in the summer.
My '07 Escalade ESV is my daily driver. Big enough for the kids and dogs and all the stuff we consumer. Speaking of consuming, it uses a bit of fuel. I don't drive it much, but you can't beat it for a road trip. Long wheelbase, 400+ hp and quiet as can be.
The wife has the Merc GLK350 which is so freakin' modern and nimble there is nothing about it that a guy like me could enjoy. It is very efficient on fuel and I drive it only when I have no choice.
quote:Sheesh, that was exciting! Don't stop now.
They are all gone now except the pantera and a 1987 honda goldwing
But I have had pass through the garage over the years
1968 camaro ss
1979 z28 piece of crap
1980 z28 better but still crap
1970 camaro ss hugger orange, low miles all original, great car I should have kept
1973 firebird sd
1986 mazda rx7 converted it to a chevy 350,turbo 400 This was the most fun per dollar car I have ever owned
1973 chev van shaggin waggin. Yes I really did have one
Long, long ago, I campained a fully prepared datsun 510 in semi-pro rally events
Lots of different bikes
Oh, the wife's honda civic is here too. Yuck. Like David, I only drive it if I absolutely have to.
Doug M
But I have had pass through the garage over the years
1968 camaro ss
1979 z28 piece of crap
1980 z28 better but still crap
1970 camaro ss hugger orange, low miles all original, great car I should have kept
1973 firebird sd
1986 mazda rx7 converted it to a chevy 350,turbo 400 This was the most fun per dollar car I have ever owned
1973 chev van shaggin waggin. Yes I really did have one
Long, long ago, I campained a fully prepared datsun 510 in semi-pro rally events
Lots of different bikes
Oh, the wife's honda civic is here too. Yuck. Like David, I only drive it if I absolutely have to.
Doug M
Only thing I have left worth mentioning is the '68 Torino GT Fastback I bought for my dad before he passed away.
For work I drive Chrysler 300 stw 4wd, for fun I'm beginning to accumulate stuff... 
-69 Mustang with 408W & T56M six-speed
-70 Torino GT Sportsroof, Original 429SCJ Drag Pack car.
-69 Mustang with 408W & T56M six-speed
-70 Torino GT Sportsroof, Original 429SCJ Drag Pack car.
quote:Originally posted by jannem:
For work I drive Chrysler 300 stw 4wd, for fun I'm beginning to accumulate stuff...
-69 Mustang with 408W & T56M six-speed
-70 Torino GT Sportsroof, Original 429SCJ Drag Pack car.
I SOOOO want a '69 fastback! I have been considering selling my Pantera to finance the purchase of one.
Obviously from the looks of what we ALL have in our garage .. it doesn't appear we are too worried about the spotted owls, gas prices and global warming ...
And if our government was worried about it ... the price of a 21 SEER AC Unit, a condensing boiler, & solar panels would be affordable for everyone thur a rebate program that makes it possible for everyone to convert and save energy in a poor economy.
And if the SHALE GAS they found under the USA of which the SAUDI's are now DUMPING BILLIONS in to the US and suspending oil production in the middle east would make petroleum prices drop so i could by CAM 2 114 octane and store it behind my shop again like in the 80;s ...
Life would be just great again ... oh the 80's boy wasn't it wonderful !! LOL
LOL
And if our government was worried about it ... the price of a 21 SEER AC Unit, a condensing boiler, & solar panels would be affordable for everyone thur a rebate program that makes it possible for everyone to convert and save energy in a poor economy.
And if the SHALE GAS they found under the USA of which the SAUDI's are now DUMPING BILLIONS in to the US and suspending oil production in the middle east would make petroleum prices drop so i could by CAM 2 114 octane and store it behind my shop again like in the 80;s ...
Life would be just great again ... oh the 80's boy wasn't it wonderful !! LOL
LOL
Raptor 6.2L daily winter driver(best truck I've owned)
Honda S2000 summer daily driver
BMW 335xi wife's car
72 pantera
88 GMC 3/4 ton PU 270K miles (the kids call it the turd)
ford focus (kid's car)
Honda S2000 summer daily driver
BMW 335xi wife's car
72 pantera
88 GMC 3/4 ton PU 270K miles (the kids call it the turd)
ford focus (kid's car)
quote:Originally posted by accobra:
Obviously from the looks of what we ALL have in our garage .. it doesn't appear we are too worried about the spotted owls, gas prices and global warming ...
LOL
Better use our share of the juice before chinese middle class consumes it all, or everyone switches to electric!
1964 Alfa Romeo 2600 Spider
1967 Alfa Romeo Gtam racecar
1972 Custom build Pantera # 3156
1973 Group 4 racecar Pantera # 5208
1984 Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 l racecar
2006 Maserati 4200 Trofeo racecar (ex Guidici)
2009 Maserati Gran Turismo
2010 Alfa Romeo 159 stationcat (daily driver)
2011 Audi Q 3 (wife's car)
1967 Alfa Romeo Gtam racecar
1972 Custom build Pantera # 3156
1973 Group 4 racecar Pantera # 5208
1984 Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 l racecar
2006 Maserati 4200 Trofeo racecar (ex Guidici)
2009 Maserati Gran Turismo
2010 Alfa Romeo 159 stationcat (daily driver)
2011 Audi Q 3 (wife's car)
Wow, 3156 is one of the most amazing recreations I've even seen. Can you post up some more images of it. That front end is awesome.
I'll see what I can do, I need to resize them and that's not so simple apparently.
quote:Originally posted by Lmguy:
Cars that keep my Pantera company:
2002 Tbird (wife's car)
2012 Shelby GT500 Convertible
2010 MKS Ecoboost
2006 F250 4x4
Ed....
Wow, a Ford fan perhaps? Is the new GT500 as great as the aluminum block would suggest? Cool how your Shelby and Pantera are inverse colors.
Daily drive.
02 vw polo
03 vw passat
89 nissan navara
2011 harley soft tail standard
73 pantera under full restoration
63 XKE series one convertable full nuts and bolts restoration in 03.
usual assortment of dirt bikes, 4 wheelers and ride on mower.
loved the thread till it went green, lets just keep burning dinosaurs till they are all gone then the world will get creative real quick. may find photos one day to share, thanks for the enjoyment.
02 vw polo
03 vw passat
89 nissan navara
2011 harley soft tail standard
73 pantera under full restoration
63 XKE series one convertable full nuts and bolts restoration in 03.
usual assortment of dirt bikes, 4 wheelers and ride on mower.
loved the thread till it went green, lets just keep burning dinosaurs till they are all gone then the world will get creative real quick. may find photos one day to share, thanks for the enjoyment.
quote:Originally posted by A Hudson:quote:Originally posted by Lmguy:
Cars that keep my Pantera company:
2002 Tbird (wife's car)
2012 Shelby GT500 Convertible
2010 MKS Ecoboost
2006 F250 4x4
Ed....
Wow, a Ford fan perhaps? Is the new GT500 as great as the aluminum block would suggest? Cool how your Shelby and Pantera are inverse colors.
Yes a Ford fan. Grew up with them and sold them for 21 years.Never realized the colors were inverse but that is pretty cool.
The GT500 is an awesome car. As fast or faster than my Pantera with handling just as good. As a kid I felt cheated because I just missed all the really great muscle cars so I was determined to get one before they were gone again. The handling of the GT500 was the thing that really surprised me. I expected the power.
Ed...
quote:Originally posted by Lmguy:
The GT500 is an awesome car. As fast or faster than my Pantera with handling just as good. As a kid I felt cheated because I just missed all the really great muscle cars so I was determined to get one before they were gone again. The handling of the GT500 was the thing that really surprised me. I expected the power.
Ed...
I think if you'd bought a year early and gotten the iron block version, the thing that would've surprised you would've been the lack of handling.
Road testers agree your car has a lot going for it only dreamed about by other muscle cars.
My '99 Cobra SVT was the last year they made them with IRS. With 500+ HP the problem is that it's almost impossible to get traction when you put the hammer down. But the handling is pretty awesome.
Mine also used to be faster than my cat, which was a bummer back then. But that was about 300 HP ago.
Mine also used to be faster than my cat, which was a bummer back then. But that was about 300 HP ago.
quote:Originally posted by David B:
My '99 Cobra SVT was the last year they made them with IRS. With 500+ HP the problem is that it's almost impossible to get traction when you put the hammer down. But the handling is pretty awesome.
Mine also used to be faster than my cat, which was a bummer back then. But that was about 300 HP ago.
My 1999 Mustang GT started out with less HP than my Pantera but I decided to install a procharger in the stang then #6656 felt slow so I bottle fed my baby. Been a Ford guy all my life but I respect all makes My old favorite non ford I owned was my 1968 Cuda 340 formula S sorry I ever sold that car.
Thanks to all who participated it this thread.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS
1991 Ferrari Testarossa
1972 DeTomaso Pantera
1972 Volvo P1800e
1969 Jaguar e type F.H.C.
1959 Austin Healey B.N.6 2 seat convertable
1972 DeTomaso Pantera
1972 Volvo P1800e
1969 Jaguar e type F.H.C.
1959 Austin Healey B.N.6 2 seat convertable