WINGS! Is there a link to pics of the different wings people have chosen to run?

Thanks for the pic Marlin!

I'm VERY familiar with the Chapparels. Watching vids of the moveable one are killer

Chapparel, like Shadows, were forward thinkers, ahead of their time.

Other faves are the "vacum cleaner" car, which had a second snowmobile engine mounted at the back of the car, sucking the air from inside the body, causing great suction. They had nylon runners that scraped along the ground on the sides to make a better seal.

They were also one of the first cars to race with automatic transmissions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWzUsW18k3c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWlfkAjZeac

Here's the wing on my old Porsche race car.

Ask the Porsche guys. They have it under control. I could swear I imagined this once in a purple haze?

You have to find a place to hang the rear license plate without melting it though? Don't ask me where, I have no idea?

In that pic he's removed his rear bumper/end. A lot of guys do that at the track. The cars look pretty cool even without the rear bodywork IMO.

They also definitely do the wang thang, the one in the pic is actually kind of cool as well IMO.

Since my car is a bit departed from the standard "look" of most panteras (wheels, chrome "gills", flush-mount window,) I'm considering a wing, but thinking about keeping with the departed theme. Maybe go with a GT style wing, or ducktail.

At the end of this vid you'll see the ducktail wing I'm liking the look of a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reFkWi6C_44

...I was invited, and attended a showing of Italian Built Cars, at the 'Tutti-in-Piazza', up in Stockton, One Year. It was a Garden Party Atmosphere, Celebrating Italy. live music, Great Food, Wine. Wonderful People.
Beautiful Women Loved the Pantera, and were Invited to place their Wine Glasses on the Wing, as a table, Using Coasters, of course. When asked to see the Engine, after retrieving their Drinks, I 'popped the hood'. They were Impressed with the American V-8, and were Blown Away by the Dual Quads.

Life is Good!

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Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
...Yes, I was going to mention the 'Vacuum Cleaner' Car.

About the Wing...I can only think about the Drag involved. How much extra does it 'Cost' Me, in MPG, to haul that thing Around!? I can feel it sway, as being 'Top-Heavy', in cross-winds and in cornering hard. It was already on the car when I purchased her. Down-force? Don't really need it. It's just on there for 'Looks'.
I once attended a showing at the 'Tutti-en-Piottsa' (sp?), up in Stockton, one year.
Beautiful Women Loved the car, and were Invited to place their Cocktails on the Wing, as a table. Using a Coaster, ofcourse.

If I remember correctly, the Pantera doesn't need more down force in the rear. It needs it in the front.

The nose gets a little loose around 170.

Even the sugar scoop is something lifted from Ferrari and isn't needed.

The Lamborghini style wing exists simply because Detomaso didn't want to be out cooled by a Countach.

Lamborghini said that the rear wing hold back the top speed from 205 to 199-200.

Now considering that they never had their own test track and always tested on the street with the PROVO license plates on the cars, frankly I don't think I would have wanted to live withing driving distance of Lamborghini.

205 down my street is just a little over the top in my view?


Rear wings on Panteras are all for the "wow factor".

There was a road test in the '80s with a GT-5 in England at one of their famous tracks. The magazine guys ran the car with & without the rear wing. They said the car felt the same either way but their lap times with the wing- surprisingly- were several seconds faster. This is the only back-to-back test on a Pantera I've ever seen printed.

Silver State runners are the only ones that really know the effects of properly mounted wings- which may not be at the stock mount angle. With an effective front air dam, one successful SS runner said his '73 really needed a small NASCAR-type rear blade, carefully angled, to rebalance the thing over 175. Otherwise, the rear end began to get light. This is exactly what happened during the famous magazine top-end test of a Countache vs a Ferrari Boxer at the 5 mile long banked Ohio test track: without the wing, the Countache picked up 15 mph but left black marks on the track at 180 mph swapping lanes as the rear end jiggled around. The pro driver said he would not make a second try without the wing! Ferrari declined to remove their rear spoiler. Oversteer at those speeds will give you religion.... And Nor-Cal's Bob Bensen still swears his big dirt-based wing helps in high speed runs on his '71 Pantera. Obviously if you don't spend much time way up the speedo dial, a rear wing will be so much decoration. But it appears as if they do have a place for a few.

I'd venture to state..."The most effective use of a rear wing were utilized on the 1970 Plymouth SuperBird & 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona"...Mark

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Originally posted by 1Rocketship:
..the 1970 Plymouth SuperBird..

IF I had not abandon my rebuild back in the early 80's.......

Growing up with the Lamborghini Beauty and the Beast poster, drag or performance was irrelevant!

Some things make an impression for life and are just the right thing.

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Originally posted by comp2:
...Lamborghini Beauty and the Beast...

you mean this one?

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Originally posted by JFB #05177:

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Originally posted by 1Rocketship:
..the 1970 Plymouth SuperBird..

IF I had not abandon my rebuild back in the early 80's.......

In your rendering it appears the wing could have been mounted to the body & the deck lid would clear the wing upon opening.

I personally would NEVER mount a wing to the rear deck lid, in my opinion...Waaaaaaaaaay TOO MUCH FLEX!!!

Plus I want the wing's down force as WIDE as possible, over the outer rim of the tires!!!...Mark

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Originally posted by JFB #05177:

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Originally posted by comp2:
...Lamborghini Beauty and the Beast...

you mean this one?

Oh my! I do think she is naked? oh yes I can see all the way to Munchkinville?

I always liked the duck tail on the blue Group IV "Brite Smile" Pantera that is in the thread link below:

blue Group IV Pantera with duck tail

The girl helps with the wind dynamics, very cool I must try this approach

That woman and that car are both hard to live with
I will keep the rear wing for the cool factor, but sitting on the door jam to back up is out of the question!

If you look at what Ford did on the GT40 and even Shelby did on the Cobra Coupe, they fabricated a duck tale from aluminum sheet. Probably something like 16 gauge. Just a flat piece and as I remembered they would take a pair of "tin snips" and trim it in practice to get the down force where the driver wanted it.

One version I saw just had slots in it where the bolts would hold it to some "pop-nut-certs" and the mechanics would just adjust it up and down.

If you are building a comp-car, that's what I would consider.

All in all, these things are going to be difficult to get just right unless you have track time. They definitely are aimed at the 150-200 mph vicinity.

Probably under that they are just cosmetics and you put them where they look right?

All you would need to do with a Pantera is form one on a brake and just trim it.

Anything molded is going to add weight.

The blue car part looks a little like what Chevy did on the 67-8 Camaros with the fiberglass molded bolt on part.

The air going under the front of the car and lifting the nose is why I ducted the air through the hood and blocked off the air going under the car. I am not sure I will ever get a chance to drive it where it really matters but it was the purpose.

The AMX had nose lift where speeds over 90-100mph were actually dangerous which was a real problem with the car.

Simon from Holland asked me to post these "wing" photos.

Mark

number 2

number 3

last one.

It's different, I like it

I like it too, lots better than the delta wing.

I have never been a supporter of originality, but I have to say that in my modest opinion there has never a better looking rear spoiler than the delta wing. Surely not the most effective, but than again it has pedigree to be proud off plus the way it came about is movie stuff

Looks Good Simon.



Kjeld

Cool. The pictures raise a question for me that I don't think I have ever heard asked before.

Should the wing be used in conjunction with the sugar scoop, separately or it doesn't matter?

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Originally posted by Kjeld Pedersen:


Looks Good Simon.



Kjeld

Hi Kjeld,
This GT-5 is not my car anymore , I sold it to a friend .
Original it was metallic pink outside and white interior.
Simon

I've never been a big fan of the delta wing and it they seem to be fading in popularity as their was only one at the Fun Rally. Ironically, it was on my car and it is the Amerisport version. It is my preferred model of the delta wings because it is thinner and is molded to flow with the Pantera's lines. The outside ends are angled down to match the roll of the decklid into the body. As a result it looks less like a Countach wing stuck on the car and more like a fitted piece, which it was by Kirk Evans.

Hi JTpantera.

Any bigger closeup Picture?

Kjeld

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Originally posted by JTpantera:
and it they seem to be fading in popularity as their was only one at the Fun Rally. Ironically, it was on my car and it is the Amerisport version. It is my preferred model of the delta wings because it is thinner and is molded to flow with the Pantera's lines. The outside ends are angled down to match the roll of the decklid into the body. As a result it looks less like a Countach wing stuck on the car and more like a fitted piece, which it was by Kirk Evans.

I believe that there were two others there as well. Ed Nagle's and the black GT5-S also had one. Not that I like them. I am not a fan of any of them especially the " turbo" wing that seemed to be SO popular this year.

Ron

Here's the Ducktail I built for my car. I made it to what looked right to me style wise, so no engineering in it. Car is 3+ years away from being done, so can't give any feedback on performance.

I thought I had better pictures of it, but this is the best I could find.

Dave

One more, side view

...Wish this was my shop but its Piper motorsports (Roll Cage builders).

Dave

Hello HockeyDude; Are you going to install a hydraulic front-end lift?

It visually appears the bottom of your front spoiler is level with the wheel rim's outer edge, meaning about 3 inches or less of front ground clearance...Mark

Here is a view from the front. The delta wing on the outside edges past the strut follows the downward curve at the same angle (can't tell that in this pic) of the decklid into the rear quarter panel.

A pic of the wing from the rear

Thanks for the replies and pics guys!

Someday, I see a wing installed on my Snow White.

Mark,

I have right at 5" clearance to the bottom of the air damn. Not sure if I'm going to pop for Ramliftpro's but they're on the wish list for sure.

Dave

My P had a Mustang wing mounted when I bought it. I'm going to remove it. I like the clean look better now. I'm keeping the GT5-like airdam though. Might disappear if I ever start some needed chassis-fix.