FWIW 8MA1244 has the 2 fan stickers on switches.
Denis
deniscCaretaker of 8MA1244 '70 Euro Mangusta DRIVE THEM, THEY WERE MEANT TO BE DRIVEN, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ONE, BUY A POSTER!
deniscCaretaker of 8MA1244 '70 Euro Mangusta DRIVE THEM, THEY WERE MEANT TO BE DRIVEN, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ONE, BUY A POSTER!
Well, I'm really confused then!
Only cars with the rare bbq option used that decal
? It does seem like it should be on the cooling fan switch, where I have seen it on at least one car...??
Only cars with the rare bbq option used that decal
? It does seem like it should be on the cooling fan switch, where I have seen it on at least one car...??
I have two of the "fan" switches that run radiator fans and cabin heater fan.
I see that in Jay's original pictures that the BBQ pit was a lot different than the interior lamp switch logo! I had that mixed up for a bit but rechecked...
Tiny light bulb is on the gauge illumination/brightness switch.
I have 7 switches in all... are there cars with less switches?? I didn't get a gas pump switch!
I think the "BBQ pit" for the interior heater/defroster switch could be an acceptable substitute for one of the 4 blade fan versions, as long as it was flat and not embossed.
I've never yet noticed the embossed style on any cars...
What the notch appears to do, is provide orientation for the logo. Notch= down. (6:00 position) That would be my observation.
Steve
I see that in Jay's original pictures that the BBQ pit was a lot different than the interior lamp switch logo! I had that mixed up for a bit but rechecked...
Tiny light bulb is on the gauge illumination/brightness switch.
I have 7 switches in all... are there cars with less switches?? I didn't get a gas pump switch!
I think the "BBQ pit" for the interior heater/defroster switch could be an acceptable substitute for one of the 4 blade fan versions, as long as it was flat and not embossed.
I've never yet noticed the embossed style on any cars...
What the notch appears to do, is provide orientation for the logo. Notch= down. (6:00 position) That would be my observation.
Steve
On my car the icon notches are all at 3:00 (right side of switch).
I had assumed that the BBQ icon was for the rear-window defroster-equipped cars, but since Denis' car has that rare option but doesn't have that icon, I am stumped. Denis: what is the icon/switch type on your rear defogger?
Also, my car has seven dash toggle switches:
Main headlights, interior light, high beams, fan, air horns, fan, hazard lights. Not being in the car now, I'm not sure which fan is interior and which is rad fans.
Mark
I had assumed that the BBQ icon was for the rear-window defroster-equipped cars, but since Denis' car has that rare option but doesn't have that icon, I am stumped. Denis: what is the icon/switch type on your rear defogger?
Also, my car has seven dash toggle switches:
Main headlights, interior light, high beams, fan, air horns, fan, hazard lights. Not being in the car now, I'm not sure which fan is interior and which is rad fans.
Mark
Mark,
High beams???? Isn't that a function of your turn signal switch? Move the stalk forward for high beams?????
You should (perhaps....) have a switch to dim the guages, and one for the interior lamp? Which one don't you have?
Oh, and my switches are oriented to work up and down. I have seen some switches twisted to be sort of side to side when operated. I don't think that is intended....
Steve
High beams???? Isn't that a function of your turn signal switch? Move the stalk forward for high beams?????
You should (perhaps....) have a switch to dim the guages, and one for the interior lamp? Which one don't you have?
Oh, and my switches are oriented to work up and down. I have seen some switches twisted to be sort of side to side when operated. I don't think that is intended....
Steve
quote:Originally posted by Mangusta:
Mark,
High beams???? Isn't that a function of your turn signal switch? Move the stalk forward for high beams?????
You should (perhaps....) have a switch to dim the guages, and one for the interior lamp? Which one don't you have?
Oh, and my switches are oriented to work up and down. I have seen some switches twisted to be sort of side to side when operated. I don't think that is intended....
Steve
OK, I'm an idiot... yeah, you're right about the high beams. Keep in mind that I've never even see electricity go through any of them yet...
BUT, on the later cars the switches are rotated to flip left-right not up and down as on the early cars. Can we call this one a draw?
Mark
re: switch orientation.... Dang!!! I think it's the perfect time for a poll!!!
...or do we not have that functionality here....? (May be another site...!)
For me.... I don't care! It's sorta like......
"whatever flips your switch!" Hah!!!!
I think I have seen that (switches sideways) more on cars from the 1000 range upwards....but I'd need to go thru my pictures and see if I could determine any sort of pattern.....
Steve
...or do we not have that functionality here....? (May be another site...!)
For me.... I don't care! It's sorta like......
"whatever flips your switch!" Hah!!!!
I think I have seen that (switches sideways) more on cars from the 1000 range upwards....but I'd need to go thru my pictures and see if I could determine any sort of pattern.....
Steve
My seven swithces are headlight, dash brightness, rad fan, interior light, fan, horn, and hazard. The notches are on the right, the switches move left-right, car is numbered over 1200.
So, the consensus is that both fans use the same fan decal?
I hadn't thought about the bbq decal being for the defroster, but that would make sense. Has anyone actually seen one there? My defroster button has no decal or marking whatsoever, so maybe it should have the bbq decal
On a related note, it does seem that the defroster option is rare/scarce. Anyone have an educated guess of how many cars were so equipped? 20 maybe?
So, the consensus is that both fans use the same fan decal?
I hadn't thought about the bbq decal being for the defroster, but that would make sense. Has anyone actually seen one there? My defroster button has no decal or marking whatsoever, so maybe it should have the bbq decal
On a related note, it does seem that the defroster option is rare/scarce. Anyone have an educated guess of how many cars were so equipped? 20 maybe?
deniscCaretaker of 8MA1244 '70 Euro Mangusta DRIVE THEM, THEY WERE MEANT TO BE DRIVEN, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ONE, BUY A POSTER!
Switches work from R to L on 8MA1244. Their location/function are as ID'd as above. The rear defroster on mine is activated by the green button on left, FWIW, my ignition key is on the steering column.
Denis
Denis
My Mangusta is Euro as well. The defroster button is orange.
Denis, any markings on your defroster button?
Denis, any markings on your defroster button?
Denis,
I'd love to see a good shot of your steering column with the ignition switch in it! If the switch is exposed at any time, take a shot of it please!
Your car was built about 28th from the end of scheduled production, and the last 10 cars were RH drive. Also, according to Wellis, many of the latter cars were also completed elsewhere and not at the DeT plant of the day.
It will be interesting to know what variant of Fiat-Capri switch may have been used!!!
vyprgt2- it is sounding like both fans use the same symbol at this point! ...unless something was changed towards the very end!
I know that not many cars got the defroster type rear glass!!!
Steve
I'd love to see a good shot of your steering column with the ignition switch in it! If the switch is exposed at any time, take a shot of it please!
Your car was built about 28th from the end of scheduled production, and the last 10 cars were RH drive. Also, according to Wellis, many of the latter cars were also completed elsewhere and not at the DeT plant of the day.
It will be interesting to know what variant of Fiat-Capri switch may have been used!!!
vyprgt2- it is sounding like both fans use the same symbol at this point! ...unless something was changed towards the very end!
I know that not many cars got the defroster type rear glass!!!
Steve
Update:
I never recieved a reply from Bobileff about the stickers (calls and emails), but I have discovered they are available from MIE Maserati parts (maseratinet.com).
As near as I have been able to find out, this flat-face style switch was used only on early Maseratis. My pics and phone calls to Fiat suppliers were answered with blank stares, they did not recognize them.
I never recieved a reply from Bobileff about the stickers (calls and emails), but I have discovered they are available from MIE Maserati parts (maseratinet.com).
As near as I have been able to find out, this flat-face style switch was used only on early Maseratis. My pics and phone calls to Fiat suppliers were answered with blank stares, they did not recognize them.
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quote:Here are the pictures. You can clearly see the LUCUS on the side
I was looking at Maserati Mexico switches 9as per Mark's suggestion) on ebay in the hopes that they would have a headlight switch. The available ones don't look anything like the switches wellis has posted.
Could fan switch be used for headlight switch replacement if needed?
quote:Originally posted by vyprgt2:
Could fan switch be used for headlight switch replacement if needed?
Yes, because you should be adding a better headlight relay anyways.
...and a cooling fan relay...
..and a defroster fan relay.....
Regarding the last response about using a fan switch for a headlight switch....
The more correct answer would be NO, you can NOT use a fan switch for a headlamp switch......unless you only want either the marker lamps OR the headlamps to come on at one time.....
The Fan switch is single function (two position) and the Headlamp is double function (three position). Flip your switches and you will see what I mean. First position is for parking lamps, second position is headlamps.
Yes, you should consider a relay for the headlamps at this time.
Somewhere on this site I posted modern Lucas switches that can be used to "rebuild" your original switch. You will not find the originals easily.....due to the round knob. The replacements have flat knobs.
What you can do, and I have done this with a couple of fan switches....before I stopped being dumb...and installed a relay....is swap the lever from your old switch into the new switch body.
Do this in an area where sproingy small things can be recovered easily..... there are some parts in these switches that have a bad habit of trying to escape into the far reaches of your garage floor.......so beware.
I found an old Lucas three position switch with this number on it #34514B... but there is another number that is now used #31788.
You can find the latter number all over on ebay....repop, originals, copies.... about $15-25.
The switches come apart easily...take pictures and document your parts chase...I mean success!
On something slightly different, my rheostat (dimmer) switch for the dash lights looks totally different than the one posted earlier!
My dash gauges are barely visible at night and I have already replaced the bulbs with slightly higher wattage pieces.... but little help.
My next thing to try was just to bypass the switch and see what happens!
See you next week in Vegas baby!
Steve
The more correct answer would be NO, you can NOT use a fan switch for a headlamp switch......unless you only want either the marker lamps OR the headlamps to come on at one time.....
The Fan switch is single function (two position) and the Headlamp is double function (three position). Flip your switches and you will see what I mean. First position is for parking lamps, second position is headlamps.
Yes, you should consider a relay for the headlamps at this time.
Somewhere on this site I posted modern Lucas switches that can be used to "rebuild" your original switch. You will not find the originals easily.....due to the round knob. The replacements have flat knobs.
What you can do, and I have done this with a couple of fan switches....before I stopped being dumb...and installed a relay....is swap the lever from your old switch into the new switch body.
Do this in an area where sproingy small things can be recovered easily..... there are some parts in these switches that have a bad habit of trying to escape into the far reaches of your garage floor.......so beware.
I found an old Lucas three position switch with this number on it #34514B... but there is another number that is now used #31788.
You can find the latter number all over on ebay....repop, originals, copies.... about $15-25.
The switches come apart easily...take pictures and document your parts chase...I mean success!
On something slightly different, my rheostat (dimmer) switch for the dash lights looks totally different than the one posted earlier!
My dash gauges are barely visible at night and I have already replaced the bulbs with slightly higher wattage pieces.... but little help.
My next thing to try was just to bypass the switch and see what happens!
See you next week in Vegas baby!
Steve
Mangusta is right. I forgot about the extra notch for the parking lights.
I have a full set of the switch decals at my shop
in Ohio but I'm in Nevada until after the Fun Rally so I can't get to them now. Send a PM and we can talk.
in Ohio but I'm in Nevada until after the Fun Rally so I can't get to them now. Send a PM and we can talk.
Try Wilkinson for the switch decals. I believe he has most with the fan switches being the 4 bladed type of decal. They all have the little orientation notch cutout.