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I decided to start this new thread so more people would look at it and help out in this joint POCA and Pantera Internation Clubs effort to get the TV program "Rides" on TLC to cover the 2005 POCA Vegas Track Meet, sponsored by Pantera Club of Northern California, PCNC.

I started a thread a couple of days ago called "TV tour of Lamborghini factory" and with a little encouragement from Mark, I've been pursuing the goal of getting "Rides" to cover the next Vegas Track Meet, which will be happening at the end of April. This is a very short time frame to get this project underway. I think there's a good story line, with a great message, and the visuals will be great. It will really enhance the value of our cars, and could help our marque to loftier status like that of Shelby, Ferrari, and Lamborghini. The problem is time is of the essence. We are a club and in fact, I've been in both clubs for years, like many of you. Like many of you, I look for films that have Panteras in them, like the recent movie "Gone in 60 Seconds" which I paused to see the Pantera in a couple of scenes. Thus, I believe you folks might do the same when you see a Pantera on TV or in a movie. By extension of logic, I predict you'd like to see an episode on TV about Panteras and about our clubs. So, I presume we have a common goal, and we'd all like to contribute to this goal. We'd probably see ourselves on TV with our cars, and that would be really cool too.

So, I'm therefore asking for active participation in this effort. The synopsis of the story line and the the genesis of the idea can be found in the prior thread, mentioned above. Further research, or at least a quick search using Google has identified the Producer of "Rides" (and "Overhaulin'") but I still haven't found a way to contact him to get the concept across. If he made the decision to go for it, he'd have to activate his film crews pronto to get them at the POCA event. We all have schedules, and he'd have to schedule them to be there. Another post was made about Million Dollar Cars, and the author mentioned one of the production team members (I forgot his name and title) is a member of POCA and/or Pantera International. Thus, since this is known, how about approaching the Pantera contact and asking for a little help, if it's not too awkward to get involved or the idea doesn't seem like a loser, let's talk to this insider and ask for contact info. I could contact Hot Rod magazine or TLC, a division of Discovery Channel for contact info, or to forward the message, but I'm afraid it would get lost in high traffic correspondence to those media moguls. This would thwart any chance of getting this project off the ground for the next TV season, with this year's Vegas meet covered.

So, here's the latest research, yielding the producer of "Rides"

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With His Shows Overhaulin' and Rides Redefining Hot Rodding for the 21st Century, Bud Brutsman Is the King of Car TV

By John Pearly Huffman
Photography: Randy Lorentzen

Bud Brutsman never appears on camera in either of his shows, but he's on set for a good chunk of the time, and as executive producer, he has final say on what gets done and what gets on the air.

"You're not necessarily a producer until you mortgage your house for an idea you have," says Bud Brutsman, the executive producer and creator of both Overhaulin' and Rides on cable television's TLC. "Your return is equal to your risk."

Brutsman admits that bank loans bridge much of the budgetary gap between what he gets from TLC and what it actually costs to produce each episode. If the shows are hits, he'll more than make up the difference in foreign rights and ancillary revenue streams such as licensing, or at least that's what we've been reading in Business Week. Fortunately for Brutsman, his big risk will apparently pay off, because both his shows are among the most popular on cable television and the hottest things going at don' call it The Learning Channel TLC. According to the ratings, the most popular automotive makeover show is Pimp My Ride on MTV, but pimpin' isn't rodding. Monster Garage is still pounding away on Discovery, but too many of its projects are flat-out stupid, and Jesse James may have overstayed his welcome. Shows like Chop, Cut, Rebuild, and Tuner Transformation on Speed Channel are only slightly less amateurish than your cousin's tape of her daughter's junior high school graduation. And anything we say about HOT ROD TV either belies our lack of objectivity or undermines our sophisticated cross-platform brand extension strategy. Right now, for good or ill, the profile of hot rodding among the general public is at its highest on Overhaulin' and Rides.

On the set of Overhaulin', Brutsman, 34, has the producer thing going good. His hair is coifed and aerodynamic. He has a cell phone on his belt and a pager in his pocket. He wears golf shirts with the shows' names embroidered onto them (and he tucks them into his pleated pants). He looks you in the eye when he shakes your hand, and if he's not genuinely interested in what you're saying, then he does a brilliant job of pretending he is. He's built like the personal trainer he once was. He's constantly juggling sixty different things, and he vibrates with so much manic energy that he should be mixing paint. What's surprising is that he's not some Harvard grad who snuck in on his father's connections, but a high school dropout from Wyoming, and his dad's connections don't extend much beyond the Cheyenne-area dirt tracks he used to race on. He's an aggressive, obviously smart, self-made, hyper-entrepreneurial guy--the sort of person with whom you want to be in business.

Brutsman has been in show business for a dozen years, starting in video distribution and moving into production. "I know guys who spent 80 or 90 grand going through UCLA film school," says Brutsman in contrast to his practical training, "and they don't know jack."
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I'm getting closer to being able to contact the production company for "Rides" directly, by e-mail for my 'pitch' to get our annual event and story filmed. So, I'll need just 3 or 4 pictures to attach to me e-mail pitch and try to 'close the sale' and get him to 'go for it'.

I'm looking for help here, so if you'd like to help, just attach your one (1) favorite picture any hit the "Reply" button to post below. I'll do this unless somebody, like the producer, tells me "No Thanks" or he says "Where do we go from here?" Then I did what I could. If someone else, anybody, wants to help, I'll show you how to help find the e-mail for the production company. I searched Google using the three (3) words: TLC Rides producer and came up with this lead and story below. I don't have the link to the story attached but you can find it in the top 3 or 4 Search Results. There's a lot of stuff to try and look thru, so I'm goibg to try a different search or two, and anybody's help here is appreciated. Here's my search results for the production company:

Quote exerpted in part:
OVERHAULIN' is produced by Twilight Works for TLC; Bud Brutsman is
executive producer. For TLC, Sandra Gregory is executive producer.

TLC is the only television network that uses real-life storytelling to
connect over 91 million viewers in North America to the breadth of the human
experience. Discovery Networks, U.S., a unit of Discovery Communications,
Inc., operates and manages the Discovery Channel, TLC, Animal Planet, the
Travel Channel, Discovery Health Channel, Discovery HD Theater, Discovery Kids
Channel, Discovery Times Channel, The Science Channel, Discovery Home &
Leisure Channel, Discovery Wings Channel, Discovery en Espanol and The Health
Network. The unit also distributes BBC America. Visit TLC on the web by
going to http://www.discovery.com and clicking on TLC.
I just searched with the key words Twighlight Works Bud Brutsman Executive Producer and got the same result as the article refered to in the just prior post above. Here's a link to the search results. I may have to e-mail the executive producer of Discovery Channel hahaha, like I could do that any easier than I can e-mail Twilght Productions. But if I can even just find an address, then, I'll just mail the story pitch line and print a few photos to enclose. Link for search: Twilight ...

http://websearch.cs.com/wm/search?fromPage=wmthomepage&brand=wmt&query=Twilight+Works+Bud+Brutsman+Executive+Producer&Type=S&ServiceType=CServe&x=11&y=12
http://www.discovery.com/utilities/about/advertising.html

Click on this link and you have some real power. You can contact some people at very high places at TLC by e-mail or telephone. Bet they've got a fax machine I can fax it to their office right now.... The sales pitch. Who sells the sales pitch after I sell it? That's who I'm going to be talking too. That means, I'm talking to the people who sell advertising for TLC, and they're the one's who are looking at cash flow. Naturally, Ford would be interested in sponsoring the episode of "Rides" because Pantera's are powered by Ford. JEGS, Summit, Pennzoil, Checker Auto, etc. are all naturally going to compete to advertize when "Rides" shows us at Vegas 2005! Do I remember 91 million viewers in some article above? Pantera's are Italian Built and imported from 1971 to 1974 by Lincoln Mercury Dealerships. I can see Lincoln Mercury telling their customers, "See, we sell cars that Increase in Value!" after that's what they see on the track, and on display, Ford Lincoln Mercury products that have increased in value, and are still very top perfomance-wise, so their's a fact about that in the story.... This is going to be so easy!!! Anybody want a hand off of the football to run in the easy touchdown and get the credit, or shall I continue? Now I'm having fun! VFI on TV!? Cool, show my Pantera too!!!
Manners and common sense told me to contact and seek permission from Pantera International and POCA prior to attempting to proceed further. I'll be in a better situation to persuade TLC, and "Rides" if were're all on board here first. So, we'll all be scouting for the coolest pics to attach to the e-mail 'pitch' to the decision makers, right? Let's see what happens. The parties were just sent a request for permission and proposal to help, so a little time may elapse here.... VFI
I don't know if I'm required by law to ask permission for something which seems so agreeable, but I like to ask. I'd like permission and access to the September 2004 POCA Calendar red 1972 Pre-L owned by Jim Wallace. I also like to request the same permission from May 2004 POCA Calendar black Pre-L owned by Jim O'Conner. By access I meant please provide me with a very clear, sharp image to send to TLC and/or TLC Twilight Works and Bud Brutsman, Executive Producer. They'll obviously want to use the images in the episode about Pantera and the two Pantera Clubs. So, can I assume it's OK if you're agreeable to use of those two photos.

I'll just limit use of the photos to a few pitures in an e-mail 'pitch' to the producers. I'm thinking for the teaser opening of what you'll see in the program, the producer can thread together a few photos in a slow motion sequence (along with a few pics of Bikini Contest contestants, because any program has to have that.) And I think some cool live footage will be shot, so entrants are assumed to be agreeable to use of film images unless they make their request not to be filmed known.

Oh, and all you ladies, who'd like to appear on the show...please contact me. Thank you, and I'll be looking forward to talking with you :-)

/s/ VFI
The 'pitch' has been delivered and thanks for contributing efforts go to Dave "Whiplash" Adler and Does200. Dave, I forwarded the two attachments you sent yesterday. Does200, I attched, within the e-mail, small pictures of your burgandy DOES200, along with the link to the community webphotos you maintain. Thanks gentlmen, we'll have to wait and see what happens, but I think I need to plan to be in Vegas in six weeks. See you there. Maybe along with some film crews.... VFI
Guess what? I also just thought up a great TV Episode for Overhaulin' and you're thinking, of course, this guy's crazy. So it goes like this. Overhaulin' lays down those TV prop stipres that say "Overhaulin' " in one of our Pantera Vendors' workshops and starts to work on my Pantera. Of course, I'll be very surprised when my 'stolen' Pantera shows up in a Garage somewhere!

(This is the theme on the Overhaulin' show, I have it on in the background right now. I watch all of the car shows, that's how I got the idea I want a centrifugal supercharger on my Pantera, but I know that's the program with the twin mechanic brothers, where they put the supercharger in two Camaro's and took them to the drag strip, winners took both Camaro's home.)

Anyway, it would be great! Especially for me, and of course, whichever Pantera shop does my Pantera modifications! Hey, now who's laughing, all of us. So the only thing is, who pays for all the modifications and work? It won't be funny if I have to pay for the work!

Hey, as long as I'm dreaming, why not throw on a set of those remotely controlled shocks like the Ferrari Enzo has, as shown on Million Dollar "Rides" Episode. Something so I can elevate the car 2 inches or so for the speed bumps in the local shopping mall parking lots, and lower it for track events. My dream goes on. Polished ZF, with taller 5th gear, brand new wiring harness (a local guy around here does that for $1,500 and throw in a completely new wiring schematic. Prest, the windows roll up faster, the blinkers blink faster, the lights shine brighter, the headlights flip up faster....) These programs show-case talent, and that's what I like to see. If only I did what Mr. Edelbrock did, man, that's initiative.

I'd like to wake up from that dream and see my Pantera in the garage, or at the PCNC/POCA Event. As "seen on Overhaulin' " and that's a nice dream to have, ....
VFI
I'd like to wake up from that dream and see my Pantera in the garage, or at the PCNC/POCA Event. As "seen on Overhaulin' " and that's a nice dream to have, ....
VFI[/QUOTE]


Thanks for forwarding my photos and webpage, & Dave too since he did an article on my car. Overhaulin cars are done great, but be willing to accept what you get, and sometimes strange non traditional modifications on a Pantera are sad no matter how good it is done.
"Rides" is having the Elanore story tonite. I saw it before. The're making a limited number of copies for sale.

This tells me: "Rides" knows how to get ahold of good information, and do a great show. Now I'm thinking I bet they or someone knows who's got a new Ford GT. Maybe even an old Ford GT-40 too. So, I'll bet the idea could get to a Ford GT that it's owner might look good on "Rides" with a hot lap or two at 2005 PCNC/POCA Vegas. There's a '66 Shelby going, some great Pantera's, and more. We've seen the Ford GT, a little, but how about a 'family gathering' of Ford's hottest. Great photo opportunity for Ford promotional purposes!

I'm talking with Dave Adler, and he and I are trying to get a loaner G-Tech Meter and/or Racepak Data Systems data acquisition systems devices loaned from the manufacturer(s) to cover the event with. Let's say a bunch of the race crowd already has one of thes slick gizmos. If they bring these devices along, it would be great to compare them and do a "Shoot-Out" between the two instruments. It would be really cool to download data from several cars and print out data graphs in all the categories. Then make e-mail or photo copies to exchange around, publish for readers, and show on "Rides". Then we'd be spreading technology with each other at the 2005 Vegas meet. Everybody gets good ideas. Our "Rides" get better in performance.... Establish baseline driving data to compare to next year's data downloads from these gizmos.

Let's see what happens. Hey, I'm going, so I want to see all of this with my own eyeballs, close up. Maybe if I talk about it, I'll see it April 28 and 29, 2005. I think it will all go together great on film. In a little over two months, it happens. Tell the right people, or ask, or suggest, etc. I thought I only had six weeks, but its more like ten weeks. Can I get some help, if you guys also want this to happen? Thanks, VFI
Let's say the producers of "Rides" was considering doing a one hour program for The Learning Channel ("TLC"), or even that they decided to do the program already. So, the next logical progression in thought is to get the best program possible produced, and it serves many purposes, including educational, like TLC stands for and charity.

My suggestion is for a group collaboration, spearheaded by the Pantera vendors, who have much to gain. I suggest a pooling of resources, for a project Pantera, like I described in Lloyd's PIBB Forum on ZF's, under electronic paddle shifting 5 and 6 speed ZF's today. So, the idea is to get lots of publicity, to generate business, of course, as well as identify vendors as an integral part of the reason Pantera's keep increasing in interest and value, as undiscovered super-exotics that were way ahead of their time and fully upgradeable to the latest technology. And it shows that Pantera vendors participate in technology applications and upgrades, which is what they've been doing all along anyway.

I suggest auctioning the vehicle with the Pantera vendors getting their investments refunded from proceeds and the profits donated to charity. A worthwhile charity could be The American Cancer Institute, The American Heart Association or The Red Cross for international goodwill. Really document the project with "Rides" footage at the various Pantera vendors shops doing the project components, and then, maybe the collective Pantera vendors agreeing to purchase a 30 second advertizement for the airing of the program on TLC. Collective purchasing the ad speads costs across the board, and lists the contact info for the vendors. Sort of like, we, the owners and businesses of De Tomaso interest, have a stake in the best programming possible too, we benefit with increasing interest and demand for De Tomaso automobili. It also increases interest and awaremess of available automotive technology coming to a car you'll own sometime in the future.

Maybe Barrett Jackson can give a little promo too, like contributing in the charitable event, by advertizing the vehicle for sale in say 2006 or 2007 at one of their auctions, which are also aired on TV. (A competing channel though, Speed Channel may not be owned by Discovery Channel, the parent of TLC.) So, maybe Barrett Jackson would only get their fee if the investment is recovered too, so it's got to turn a profit. Everybody joins in the investment and cause. Maybe the tax laws help the purchaser with a tax write-off, who buys it for the executive vehicle pool or something....

So, this educational program, in addition to airing footage of the Vegas 2005 Track Event, showing club events (ways to get fast driver's off the streets and get a lawful adrenaline rush is good public policy since that's what society wants everybody to do anyway.) and regular guys working on their Pantera's and meeting annually, also has footage of the shop work of adapting the BMW electronic paddle shifting technology and parts to the ZF, for the Pantera Project, 6 speed ZF prototype, for auction on Barrett Jackson, benefits going to charity.

And, since BMW gets publicity, they may be able to help out too, like by donating to the project in the form of parts or engineering of the design, and receive a credit or receiving air time of footage shown in their factory in the TV episode. [Footnotes:1. Lamborghini got factory tour footage, isn't BMW interested too? 2. The ZF post referred to earlier is the reference point for BMW's system. 3. I learned that Toyota has a paddle shifting system available for their MR2, so maybe they have an interest. Ferrari/Alfa Romeo also have systems available. Maybe Ford has something in the works....

Maybe Edelbrock gets in the act, donating an engine and parts. I've seen them do that before too. They advertize for the TV programs and benefit with business too.

I think we can cram so much info into the one hour program, that it will be difficult to give all the details. Maybe that leads to a two-part "Rides" Episode.... I think there's lots of good reasons to do it.

Endnote: If my Pantera parts had arrived this past Friday, this weekend I'd be installing them and might not have thought about this at all. But it makes you think and wonder 'what if' doesn't it? VFI
Bump! Back to the top of the list again, for a short while...

This is good for everybody. Lot's of folks are investing in physical (tangible) properties of all sorts, having lost lots of money in the stock market, this is an important part of the economy, everybody's economy all over the world. The automobile industry helps or hurts the economy, lots of people have investment grade vehicles or just collector cars that are drivers or both, as inflation hedges or passionate hobby cars. Lots of folks at retirement age may be turning some assetts over and it's nice to know what inflationary hedge investments are avaiable. It certainly would help all of us, and me, of course, if interest is always there for this item, the De Tomaso Pantera, and cars in general, new and old. There's always been a fascination for exotic cars capable of doing amazing things, and Americans have always had a love affair with their cars. Formula One has the world's second largest viewership, second only to soccer, for viewers who watch every event. Yes, sir, I think we should be promoting this program.... Are we having fun? To the extent we can, we're having fun and accomplishing goals at the same time. 93 million viewers of the DeTomaso Pantera on "Rides" that's what I'm talking about. VFI, asking are you with me on this?
Ron,

I forwarded all this stuff to two folks (the Producer of the show, and one other person there) and it appears they are not interersted. As cool and unique as we all think this is, there are club track events taking place all over the country, every weekend of the year short of Xmas. So I guess nothing particularly grabbed them about it, even though I expressed nice people unique cars, good noise, blah blah.

Sorry,

MS

Hi Matt,

Thanks for the effort and thanks for getting back to me. I may try to follow up with a pitch to Speed Channel or something else later. I was not too impressed with the Rides program on Jay Leno's conversion of his Olds Toronado to rear wheel drive. That's was a dumb program. The Rides Lamborghini Factory tour was a cool show though. After watching a few more Overhaulin' programs I think that show won't make it another season. Too much acting in that program, dud cars getting make overs won't sell much longer, it's about played out on the 'surprise story angle' too. The decisions he makes, like all of us, makes or breaks his career and bank account. He gets credit for getting ideas off the kitchen table and into production, but it's decisions to avoid a truly interesting and awesome car topic like the Pantera, while doing Olds Tornado upgrades that will be his downfall, in my simple opinion.

I don't just think De Tomaso Pantera's are cool. I've been photographed dozens of times, minding my own business driving down the freeway or pumping gas. Always lots of questions from strangers of all ages, always. There's huge interest. Maybe Ferrari has their Stradale Challenge race for high dollar players, and gets some TV, but I for one would like to see some more grass roots coverage of club events. Mustangs, Vipers, Corvettes. Like what the guys do to their cars, what the clubs do for their members, what events are available to participate in, that type stuff. Real stuff. And not just 'factory original' Corvettes with zero mods, at a car show. Functionally upgraded 40 year old 'stangs, thrashing on the track and driving home in the rain, same car, street legal.

How many people were influenced to get a junker Toronado and dump $500,000 into it, and by the way, place a personal phone call to the prez of Ford Motor Company to get a custom engine made and delivered with 1,000 h.p. Yeah, right.

Thanks, Matt. I've started noticing your name on Road and Track articles. Keep up the good work. Nice to talk to you. And thanks again, we tried, and that's what counts. We just respectfully disagree with that decision.

Adios amigo,
Ron
VFI, you guys made a great effort. I think they are all wrong about Panteras (duh). What other car can satisfy American muscle car AND euro sports freaks and for less $$ than a Ferrari engine rebuild? Oh, well. I'm sure that someone will wake up and look for interesting topics to fill the soon to be voids. The article in SCI was good, and those type of articles are getting more frequent. Good idea just a bit ahead of its time!
Mark, I like the use of your word. Void. That's what TLC & Discovery Channel seem to have right now. The key words I saw were "The Learning Channel" but I'm not learning from that channel much any more, seems like Discovery's channel is gettin a bit away from the title of the channel too.

I envisioned all age groups fascinated as the camera guy kept roaming the pit, asking questions and getting answers from we, the drivers. Why are you changing your air pressure? What does that do, changing the carb jets and how do you do it and know what to do? What are you doing to the springs on those shocks and why? So,I thought even housewives would like understanding their vehicles better. What did you do to your car and why?

Too many copycat programs. This Old House with Bob Villa gathered a real following and now Discovery Channel has a knock-off show. We've see the follow the leader programming and just turn our TV's off. Ultimately, TV ratings send advertisers the stop-wasting-advertising-dollars message, and they do. Programs fail, next season's shows get cancelled. And that's why.

I also get tired of the same 'new stars' and the predictable programming, if I don't like the car, I turn off the channel when there's nothing else to learn and I know it in advance.

There's some good programs on Speed Channel. I like the "Two Guys Garage" and always pick up tips from watching that.

There's a connection to all of this. People watch programs they like for reasons they like. People that watch "This Old House" buy tools and home improvement products. People learn and they like what they see, they're inspired. They buy. Companies see that connection and advertise. I don't see any connection with Jay Leno's Ols Toronado project to anything I want to do in life, and I can't imagine anyone else being inspired to want to do something watching that episode. So, Jay Leno has money to do something only he wants to do, what's the point of watching that? What's the point of paying advertising dollars to sponsor that?

I know all the auto suppy companies and hot rod companies sell products to us and people who watch guys like us. I know people who buy tools and work on their cars, like us. Lot's of them.

A car guy was showing me his new kitchen sink faucet. Hey, dude, you've been watching too many Fix Up That House shows on TV, I said.

Reverse is also true. The automotive industry in this USA is hurting. How manylateral G-forces does that new Ford GT pull? How many lateral G-forces on the best Mustang produced this year? Braking G-forces on each? Nothing too exciting. Why doesn't someone tell these people we want evidence.

Let's see a show that at least goes to the track with various car clubs and takes their G-Tech Meter and their Racepak Data Systems Meter and stick them on the windshield for a few laps, then download the data and show what a few parts will do to their cars. How about those cool TV graphics that place the G-force arrows on the TV screen as a mounted TV camera broadcasts a lap?

Why doesn't some inspired TV producer take Road & Track's format, add new charachters each week, show applications of technology for various types of cars, show regular guys doing the work, get a few explanations for everybody to at least feel like they aren't wasting time from TV, they are learning and seeing a bunch of new people every week.

Because, the producers are too lazy to do all that work, scout out all the people involved, pull the story together in their head and the cutting room and make something inspiring happen. The want an easy to copy format, a redundant set to film on, repeatability, so they can focus on lowering costs of production. They lose all our attention that way too, because that's what it seems like they are doing, cutting corners.

Nothing new. Turn off the TV. Turn on the computer, hahaha. Better yet, get your tools out and get busy.

I anit even going to spell checj this post, i'm so diezguuuszted.

VFI, and you know what I mean
Man, you MUST think and type fast! I agree about the laziness of TV producers these days. I must have access to over two hundred channels, and I can't believe how much real crap is out there. I too watch Two Guys BECAUSE it's not stupid and I actually learn things. The worst is that buffoon Pat Goss on MotorWeek. Useful tips like how to check the air in your tire, and “be sure to make sure your mechanic has this wonderful gizmo tool” AAARGH!!! I do like seeing Jay Leno because he has awesome cars and sure knows how to have fun with a pile of money. I’d like to see more about the restoration of the Miura he has than wasting a whack on re-bodying a vette with an old Toronado (that will never be a Bentley). Perhaps HE should dedicate a few buck to producing a decent show on sports/collector cars. Hmmm....
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