Exhaust System

Likely someone made them for Hall. DeTomaso never produced anything in stainless steel for Panteras except window trim.

I'll take them off your hands.

Not cheap!!! Interested as well if for sale!

Hall had sources others didn't. People approached him privately.

Doug and Mike Cook worked for him. The Byers brothers worked for him, at one time or another?

Wilkinson has been successful on his own at finding sources that may or not be the original sources of Hall's offerings?

Does it matter now who actually made these parts? I don't see any other vendors offering exactly the same products?

Probably the key component would be the stainless stampings of the muffler "box"? Stainless tubing is just off the shelf and anyone with a exhaust tubing bender can duplicate the pipes accurately enough to make them "exact" replacements?

Not that it matters but I have found that coating regular mild steel with a ceramic coating works better then stainless cosmetic grades.

Stainless steel will blue with heat and eventually split in the bends. It does not expand and contract well and work hardens quickly.

Ceramic coating internally and externally on mild steel is a superior way to go.

I believe those are Marino Perna’s (Pantera East) stainless steel Euro GTS replicas. I say “replicas” but they were only replicas on the outside. They were obviously polished stainless steel but internally, they were a straight through design. If you could post a photo looking into the tips, I’d know for sure. Shine a flashlight into the inlet  and look into the tips. If you can see through the canister, they are likely Marino’s. I believe he only had 20 sets made, with matching Euro GTS replica headers. He had a very hard time selling them because people wouldn’t pay the $1700 price for the set (headers & mufflers). It was quite bizarre because they were a work of art and worth twice the price. I had a set on my own Pantera but I had mine ceramic coated black with the inside of the tips red, just like the OEM Euro GTS mufflers.

Thank you so much for that information !

@panteradoug posted:

Not that it matters but I have found that coating regular mild steel with a ceramic coating works better then stainless cosmetic grades.

Stainless steel will blue with heat and eventually split in the bends. It does not expand and contract well and work hardens quickly.

Ceramic coating internally and externally on mild steel is a superior way to go.

Totally agree with Doug on these points.  I made the mistake of putting stainless headers on my Mustang.  They have not stayed nice and shiny looking.  The ceramic-coated headers on my Pantera look much better after more years and miles of use.

Another MAJOR downside of stainless in an exhaust system is that it holds heat!  The stainless headers on my Mustang will be too hot to touch for at least 45-60 minutes after shut down.  On the Pantera I can stick my hands into the engine compartment 20 minutes after shut down without fear of burning myself on the headers.

I have stainless Quella mufflers and my car and they look beautiful.   And I don't attempt to hold the after I drive them.

I have actually burned myself a few times on my Pantera headers. The ceramic coating always looks cool but can be quite hot.

Scientifically the data says that it has a significant insulation property and shows horsepower gains by retaining the heat within the system. That data shows it is several hundred degrees cooler running then stainless that bleeds heat through it.

It isn't an argument on my part. Just rehashing data. I have no need to cuddle with my exhausts either.

I do find that just wiping down the ceramic with something like Windex "restores" it while the stainless requires some elbow grease.