Kevko Oil Pan big enough ?

Peter,

You definitely want a pan with baffling if you intend to track as it prevents oil riding up the side of the pan under high G force and starving the pickup. The three options available are;

Aviaid - the original, has trap door baffling to ensure the oil pickup always remains submerged.
http://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/...s_sbf_cleveland.html

Armando - used to work for Aviaid and went out on his own, so basically a copy of Aviaid
http://www.aroilpans.com/Roadrace.html

Kevko - cheaper knockoff of the first two
https://kevko.myshopify.com/co...0-m-ford-pantera-pan

From photos the Kevko does not appear to have the same trap door style baffling around the oil pickup that the Aviaid and Armando pans have. That said it is probably capable enough for street driving at the price.

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From photos the Kevko does not appear to have the same trap door style baffling around the oil pickup that the Aviaid and Armando pans have. That said it is probably capable enough for street driving at the price.

I have the Kevko pan on my car, albeit a Winsor pan, it has the extensive 4-trap door box baffling. I think it's a 8 quart

I don't see all of the same features on the Kevco that the Aviaid has. The Armondo is a copy of the Aviaid.

I have the Aviaid. I think it is 10 quarts in the pan? There are 12 in my system with an oil cooler, -10 lines and dual remote filters.

Takes a while to heat up the oil.

I use an oil thermostat set at 210F for that reason.

The Aviaid is not the best finished cosmetically though.

I bought the Aviaid pan. I did not really think I needed an expensive pan like that. Then, my car ate a roller lifter. It may just be a coincidence but all the parts were found in a nice pile behind one of the baffles. I even found all 16 needle bearing from the lifter wheel, not one piece went unaccounted for. I will need another pan for my windsor, I will look at Aviaid and kevko.

Hi Team,
I am on to buy (overseas) the Kevco pan.
It will go in a fully rebuild C351! >7kUSD.
So no compromise ..
Any please EXPERIENCE?
Tx
Team
Matthias

On the street the original 5 quart oil pan is sufficient IF the car is used in the original concept of the Pantera.

If you have improved the performance potential of the vehicle in either the engine output or the handling capabilities, which include as little as better tires, then you need both more oil capacity but also oil control.

It is up to every individual to decide how to go about that.

If one so chooses to go to a lesser pan and risk everything for the $100 difference between them, that is their decision.

The Aviaid/Armondo are the best available in wet sump pans. You get what you pay for.

I personally just don't see where the Kevko belongs on a race track, either on a street car or a race car.

For street use it should be ok, but if you are generating 1.1g cornering or accelerating on the street anyway, you probably should be in jail.

Go the extra $100 for the better pan.

Kevko is 2 blocks from me.
All I use is there pans.
Nice small company, if you want a few item,s added or changed, they will be very happy to help.

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On the street the original 5 quart oil pan is sufficient IF the car is used in the original concept of the Pantera.

Not so! Any modern radial tire will allow the Pantera to significantly out-handle the original. One spirited trip up a windy mountain road is all it took to spin a rod bearing in my stock Pantera shortly after I bought it. You NEED a baffled pan if you ever think you'll go around a corner quickly.

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The Aviaid/Armondo are the best available in wet sump pans. You get what you pay for.

Aviad, no doubt the best, and most expensive! Armando worked for Aviad before going out on his own. Nice quality pans, but I found mine is slightly warped on the pan mounting surface, so sealing with leaks was a little more challenging (read: "needed excess gasket sealer on one end").

I put a baffled Kevko on my 66 Mustang. Nice quality pan. Fit was fine too.

Everyone has their own perspective.

To me trying to save $100 on an engine that cost at least $7,000, is foolish unless the best is the cheaper one.

I would just get a jockey to be the driver. He only weighs 100 # so you can save more than that on his food bill at the hotel.

Garth is the third person I've heard of who lost bearings from an improper oil pan on a Pantera. There are three stock Ford pans and the best of them- the Boss pan, is useless unless you never corner over 0.5 g. One aftermarket '10-qt pan' was found on a motor with a thrown rod that was just a deep bucket with no baffles, scrapers or trap-doors. Possibly built for drag racing which is the wrong game.

Armando worked for Aviaid for many years so no surprise the pans look identical. Aviaids are good enough to be used everywhere- street, roadrace and endurance. Dennis Quella sells an Aviaid-copy in aluminum to save 4 lbs. I think Armando will also do this. Performance engine rebuilds are $6000-up these days; Aviaids are $600. Good luck....

I bought a 10 Qt. pan from Pantera Performance. It was ~$525. Canton will build a custom pan, but it is more expensive.

$437.80, for the Aviaid.

$439.00 for the Armondo.

Kevko $325.

The Kevko has a different trap door system and is missing the scrapers. The scrapers stop the crank from spinning in the oil and running up the inside of block.

Every engine application is different in design with them.


I have a Canton on my GT350. It is the road race T pan and holds 10 quarts in pan. With the oil cooler and oil lines holds 12 quarts.

There is a cheaper "street" version of it. $100 cheaper that holds less oil and is minus the scrappers.

Those you can't run hard. That's why they are street versions and are notorious for blown engines on the track.

I had the Aviaid side by side with my Canton RR pan.
They match up feature for feature but the Canton is finished cosmetically much better.

That one was about $50 cheaper than the Aviaid.


You need to know what you are doing with these things or else you are just going to wind up hurting yourself.

Go with the PROVEN design. In this case the Aviaid/Armondo pan.

You can easily go over 1.1g in these cars. If you do with the wrong pan you are going to run dry.


In my mind it also depends on the heads. Some are going to need help in getting the oil back down into the pan.

Clevelands can run with as much as 2" of oil up in the valve covers.
We can create our own monsters here.


For the sake of discussion, you can go with a Moroso pan. Their experience is in drag racing pans.

YOU have to tell them what to do with the pan otherwise it is just a big bucket.

I personally wouldn't presume to tell them how to build it.

The Avid pan is very good as it is baffled and has scrappers, the pick up is just as important and must be checked for the proper depth from the bottom of the pan. I always suggest running a oil cooler as well, especially if you plan to run hard or live in a hot environment, it will keep you temps down and more manageable. screw in oil restrictors also put the oil on the bearings first, this is a good idea due to the top down oiling system in the Cleveland.

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The Kevko has a different trap door system and is missing the scrapers. The scrapers stop the crank from spinning in the oil and running up the inside of block.

Not true. The Kevko has scrapers! I've seen all 3 types of pans, and they are all very similar in design.

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Originally posted by Push1267:

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The Kevko has a different trap door system and is missing the scrapers. The scrapers stop the crank from spinning in the oil and running up the inside of block.

Not true. The Kevko has scrapers! I've seen all 3 types of pans, and they are all very similar in design.

That is correct . I have the Kevco pan on my car and have installed several others on customer's cars. They are very nice and are very willing to customize the pan to fit whatever your needs are. . I recently had them make a custom pan for a GT40 that I was building.

Ron

It's good to hear that so many have had great results with the Kevko pan.
It probably has gone through a metamorphous through the years.



I personally have had to deal with criticisms of other manufacturers myself.

The Canton vs. Aviaid one on my GT350 is one,i.e., that the cars on the track with the Canton pans all blew up even with the two being identical, but the Canton just being nicer made?

I for one can't afford to take a chance on that with my Pantera. Maybe the difference is just the decal on the tanks? My GT350 is just a street car. I wanted a pan that would keep it's good appearance better.

Just put an Aviaid decal on it. That will make me feel better about the whole thing.
I just took the Canton decals off of mine and let everyone else guess.



There's a famous picture of Grumpy Jenkins, from the olden days, of him holding up a dipstick to the light at the track, then everyone else doing it.

It's just the way it was, and to a certain extent, still is.



There is just some information, in racing circles, that you are just not going to get from the horses mouth. For instance you will never get a 'Pro Stock' driver to tell you at what rpm he launches and shifts. You have to figure that out for yourself.

It seems simple, but it is not. Ask yourself, why?


Here is an 'old thread' about the reliability supplied by an engine builder with great credentials and experience.
There is enough discussion, information and cross threads to make your own decision on what happened here.

Is this the engine builders fault or just that the 'customer' didn't understand the nature of the beast that he bought?

http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/...562/m/2620030275/p/1

Little things, seemingly irrelevant, matter.

I've chosen the Aviaid Pan ...
holes were right in place, no mods needed ...


Philippe

I'm glad for you and your holes but you got the wrong color. Gold. You want GOLD! Geeze! Silver? Common'!

all that glitters is not gold !

But is that american humor ? Let me know

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american humor

We are not sure if Doug is American or a Russian hacker, paid by the Kremlin to try and influence the voting on oil control of 351C engines!

I'll wait too, still my grandmother was (god bless her) Russian !

There is still time to paint it gold? I won't tell?

A Russian or a Russian agent wouldn't know what a Pantera is. Definitely too decadent for them?

They still drive around in those things that look like Checker cabs.

At least here Checker cabs run small block Chevys.
Who knows over there? Probably diesel tractor engines?

One thing for sure, they aren't going to attract Italian movie starlets with those things?

I think you are thinking of "Fancy Bear". That's the name US Intelligence refers to here.

If he's 400# like Trump claims he is, he wouldn't fit in the car either.

Nope...wrong answer. No Final Jeopardy for you.

Trebec still has his Italia you know?

well ... I go Kevko..no Russian relations here, But will make it GOLD shiny..Germany Schwarz-Rot Gold(gold)...simle..
nice love smart intelectual stuff...

Matthias