name this automobile

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Originally posted by Mic:
Mark, that white car with the orange stripe, looks familiar, concept looks japanese (Toyota 200GT) or german (early VW Scirocco), red walls on tires look early 70's, no power to remember it with, that's all i can come up with... stomped again by the master Champ Peon.
Any body care to guess before Mark reveals the mistery car?

Allow me to end the suffering.

The white car is the 1970 Holden Torana GTR-X prototype. Never made it into production, unfortunately. Pretty cool Australian car.

1/2 right on the name of Ed Roth's car, it was the Beatnik Bandit.

The other car was correctly identified as the "Mustang 1". But it was in no way associated with the car the Fairlane Group was working on at the time, that would eventually be named the Mustang. In 1962 the Mustang wasn't named the Mustang, it had no name at all. You'll read Mustang histories that try to tie this car into the history of the Mustang one way or another, but they are all off base. This car was not a Mustang prototype, nor was it built to mislead General Motors. It was a separate project, Ford's first foray into the world of mid-engine design.

This little concept car did have the "galloping Mustang" emblem on the sides, an emblem that would find its way onto the Mustang production car. I think that emblem influenced the choice in name for the Fairlane Group's project.

Iacocca had declared the total performance era, and this little mid-engine jewel was one of the first things Ford designed. There were no mid-engine production cars in 1962. Ford & Iacocca were already demonstrating an interest in mid-engine sports cars, and the "leading edge" technology of such a design. This particular car had a 4 cylinder Ford powerplant mounted mid-ship, ala the Vallelunga (this one was a V4 however). It only weighed 1500 pounds. Colin Chapman approved I'm sure.

Several Italian mid-engine designs would eventually utilize side scoops like those on the Mustang 1. The Mustang 1's pointed nose found it's way onto the Pantera. This car traveled the show circuit in late 1962 and 1963. Ford's next mid-engine car, the GT40 followed soon after.

This car was an influential concept car for Ford, and that's why its still in the museum in Dearborn.

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Originally posted by Cowboy from Hell:
1/2 right on the name of Ed Roth's car, it was the Beatnik Bandit.

So true. It's that kind of sloppiness that endeared me to my teachers. Surely I get bonus points for his nick-names...

I used to have the Hot Wheels version of it, along with Silhouette, Python, Deora, Demon, Split'n Image, TwinMill, and even the Red Baron.

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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:
...It's that kind of sloppiness that endeared me to my teachers...

What endears you to me is your impeccable choice in the color selected for your Pantera

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...Surely I get bonus points for his nick-names...

No, but you do get bonus points for putting up with my teasing!

cowboy from hell

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Originally posted by Cowboy from Hell:
What endears you to me is your impeccable choice in the color selected for your Pantera

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...Surely I get bonus points for his nick-names...

No, but you do get bonus points for putting up with my teasing!

cowboy from hell

Hey, if it was good enough for Bordinat on the Mustang 1, it's good enough for me!


So, if not Bordinat, what WAS the DeTomaso link there?

1) The Mustang 1 had to have been the inspiration for the Vallelunga.

2) The car's nose ended up on the Pantera

3) Mid-engine, Ford powered, hmmmmm

4) Displays Iacocca's preference & hankering for a mid-engine sports car as early as 1962.

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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:

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Originally posted by Mic:
Mark, that white car with the orange stripe, looks familiar, concept looks japanese (Toyota 200GT) or german (early VW Scirocco), red walls on tires look early 70's, no power to remember it with, that's all i can come up with... stomped again by the master Champ Peon.
Any body care to guess before Mark reveals the mistery car?

Allow me to end the suffering.

The white car is the 1970 Holden Torana GTR-X prototype. Never made it into production, unfortunately. Pretty cool Australian car.

thanks Mark for ending the torture, so no 1 other then you and Sean knew?

this one should be easy:

I refuse to answer this on the grounds that it's too easy. Plus I watched the Rides (I think it was Rides) episode where they filmed the making of it. I do prefer the original version, although this one would certainly NOT fit on my desk!

ok, then, what about this one? (sorry, had 2 take out the name)

One of my favourite cars. The Iso Grifo. There were a few versions and this white one, a 1968 is nice, but the later MkII cars have nicer details, IMHO.

I'm back (but now I'm gone again for a week). I told my dad about this thread and of course he wanted me to throw in the car he used to really want. Since I'm gone for a while, I already added the clue. It is on the door. Of course, Mark won't need the clue!

I liked that Holden concept. I found it when trying to figure out if that other car was an Opel. Thanks to this thread, I have learned that Opel made a lot of really un-cool cars!

BTW - I was reading in the paper the other day that Jaguar was originally called SS Motors (or something like that). They changed their name to Jaguar in the 40's for obvious reasons. Have others heard that too?

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Originally posted by sgarrett:
...Jaguar was originally called SS Motors (or something like that). They changed their name to Jaguar in the 40's for obvious reasons. Have others heard that too...

That is true, here's a bit more detail:

William Lyons and William Wamsley partnered and established the Swallow Sidecar Company in the early 1920's.

The company moved to larger quarters and changed the name to the Swallow Sidecar and Coach Building Company later in the decade, reflecting the fact they had plans to build automobile coaches.

Their first foray into coachbuilding was a 2 seater assembled upon an Austin chassis, called the Austin Swallow. It was a roaring success (William Lyons was a talented coach designer) and the company name was simplified to the Swallow Coachbuilding Company, with Swallow Sidecars reorganized as a subsidiary.

Swallow Coachbuilding Company moved to Coventry near the end of the decade. Coventry of course became the permanent home of the company.

From Coventry the company assembled a succession of their coaches upon chassis made by "Standard" calling them SS1, SS2, SS90, SS100, SSJaguar. I've always assumed SS stood for Standard Swallow, just like their car built on the Austin chassis was an Austin Swallow.

In the early thirties the company went public, William Walmsley resigned and the company was renamed SS Cars Ltd, owing to the success of their SS series of cars.

By the late 30's the SSJaguar had become the company's most powerful 2 seater to date, a very popular model, and the company's flagship. Then the bombings started, and production shifted to supporting the war effort.

After the war William Lyons changed the company's name to Jaguar Cars Ltd, due to the fact the entire nation reviled the initials "SS" and the Jaguar was the company's last flagshp model prior to the war.

One last bit of history. You are no doubt aware that British autos and motorcycles flooded into the US after world war II. There is a political reason for that. The British government mandated that in order to obtain the raw materials to return to production, 50% of a company's products had to be exported. This was necessary to provide Britain with the needed revenue to rebuild. I think it worked very well for them. And us. I'm a fan of Jaguar autos and British motorcycles too. God Bless Britain.

cowboy from hell

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Originally posted by sgarrett:
I'm back (but now I'm gone again for a week). I told my dad about this thread and of course he wanted me to throw in the car he used to really want. Since I'm gone for a while, I already added the clue. It is on the door. Of course, Mark won't need the clue!

I liked that Holden concept. I found it when trying to figure out if that other car was an Opel. Thanks to this thread, I have learned that Opel made a lot of really un-cool cars!

BTW - I was reading in the paper the other day that Jaguar was originally called SS Motors (or something like that). They changed their name to Jaguar in the 40's for obvious reasons. Have others heard that too?

Good one, Sean (Have a nice trip, we'll miss you!). Not many people (including me) are familiar with the Bob Carnes 1959 Bocar XP-5.

Available in built and kit form from his "factory" in Colorado, where he modified and assembled various suspension and mechanical bits from other manufacturers and stuffed in Chevy or Pontiac V8's for motivation.

Thanks for the concise Jag history, George.

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Originally posted by Mic:
this one should be easy:

that hot wheel car was the Deora II (pic of original Dodge Deora)

any takers on this one?

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Originally posted by Mic:
any takers on this one?

The "Butt-Ugly GT"?

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Originally posted by Mic:
...that hot wheel car was the Deora II (pic of original Dodge Deora)...

The original Dodge Deora was based upon a Dodge A-100 compact pick-up chassis, as was another famous Dodge from the same era, the Lil' Red Waggon.

Bill Golden dropped a 426 Hemi in a Dodge A-100 and toured the country beginning 1965 entertaining the crowds at drag strips by doing 1/4 mile long wheelstands. As a kid I really enjoyed watching the Lil' Red Wagon do its thing at Lyons Drag Strip.

The "Butt-Ugly GT"?[/QUOTE]

and what an ugly butt it was! then try this 1 with a some what nicer butt

Whoo the memories! My uncle an avid racer, used to take me to Lyons a lot when I visited them. I remember seeing a lot of the famous cars run there! A little while back, Golden did one last run and retired himself and the wagon. It was on some auto TV show.

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Originally posted by Cowboy from Hell:

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Originally posted by Mic:
...that hot wheel car was the Deora II (pic of original Dodge Deora)...

The original Dodge Deora was based upon a Dodge A-100 compact pick-up chassis, as was another famous Dodge from the same era, the Lil' Red Waggon.

Bill Golden dropped a 426 Hemi in a Dodge A-100 and toured the country beginning 1965 entertaining the crowds at drag strips by doing 1/4 mile long wheelstands. As a kid I really enjoyed watching the Lil' Red Wagon do its thing at Lyons Drag Strip.

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Originally posted by Mic:
any takers on this one?

1969 Fiat Abarth 2000 by Pininfarina.

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Originally posted by Mic:
...then try this 1 with a some what nicer butt

That's an opinion not a fact...

Can you verify this is a car that has ever even seen the road, in any form? It looks like a model to me. Judging by the American flag on the side, I'd have to say probably NOT American...?

How about this one?????

Another look.....

Or this one??????

Is the last one a Spyker??

The Spyker is a Spyker (check the front plate...) I wish the other of Ron's was so easy, but I guess since I opened the door with my Moretti post, it's only fair to return the favour with the 1955 Moretti 1200 Spyder.

Here's one for you:

I believe I saw the white car, with American flag, at a big car show probably 4 or 5 years ago. I'm guessing it was probably in Autoweek as well? I'm thinking it was Chevy powered and all plastic body panels. Am I getting warm? I do not remember the name.

Art

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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:

Can you verify this is a car that has ever even seen the road, in any form? It looks like a model to me. Judging by the American flag on the side, I'd have to say probably NOT American...?

right again Mark with the 1969 Fiat Abarth 2000 by Pininfarina.

here is a 2nd pic, not the model car this time, still, a concept, 800 hp V12

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Originally posted by Art Stephens:
I believe I saw the white car, with American flag, at a big car show probably 4 or 5 years ago. I'm guessing it was probably in Autoweek as well? I'm thinking it was Chevy powered and all plastic body panels. Am I getting warm? I do not remember the name.

Art

Close, Art. It has a BMW engine. Originally developed in 1998, it was scheduled for production in 2001. Whether any (beyond a couple of prototypes) made it, I am not sure. It's a Vision K2 and/or a Vision SZR (The white & grey cars are not the same in detail, but I'm not sure the white was any more than a rolling model.

yup, it's a 1998-2002 Vision-Industries K2 concept could be powered by a BMW V8 or V12, with either a twin turbo or a supercharger to develop 800 HP @ 7000rpm and 881Nm of torque, Porsche G50 trani.

here's an other oldie to guess:

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Originally posted by Mic:
here's an other oldie to guess:

1954 Lancia Aurelia B24 Spider?

right again Champ Peon, and in only 12 min.

how about this one?

1984 Honda HP-X by Pininfarina

ok, speed is of essence in the next pic, open to planet earth, i will post pic in 23 minutes, so please be ready

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Originally posted by Mic:
ok, speed is of essence in the next pic, open to planet earth, i will post pic in 23 minutes, so please be ready

I won't be. I'm off for a meeting (damn, I hate it when work interferes with life...). Open for others until I return!

please identify: