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about 15 years ago a member discovered a modern Ford permanent magnet gear reduction (PMGR) starter that would work in our 351C Panteras.

Their purchase had been from DB Electrical, an eBay seller that also has their own website:

many owners have purchased a PMGR starter from them in the ensuing years, with good service and good results.

The PMGR starter is stronger, smaller and lighter and is a direct bolt-in, but it does require some slight rewiring of the firewall mounted starter relay. It requires a new wire (#10) from the old firewall starter relay to the relay terminal on the PMGR starter.


NOTE - it is likely the two mounting studs will need to be replaced with longer studs.  

IIRC, the original studs were  1/2 SAE and 1/2 metric. YMMV 😉 Those studs aren’t very hard to find, but you could just replace with studs having dual SAE threads. In either case, reduced head nuts (commonly called flange nuts) are advised as the PMGR starter case design intrudes on one stud.

if your studs are metric they are most likely M10 x 1.5.  These are available in serrated base and nylon insert versions.

DB part number back in the day was 3223. However, I recently discovered they have updated their part number.

The new DB number for the PMGR starter that will fit our Panteras is 410-14033.

The industry generic number is SFD0012

However, a word of caution is needed.

due to potential differences in flywheel size the starter MAY NOT WORK on cars equipped with a ZF-1 transaxle.



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Maybe I'm misinterpreting something in the discussion and posted starter photos, but this is the DB Electrical PMGR starter PN#3223 I installed in my Pantera a couple of years issues.

Well, there was one issue. The flange on the DB starter is thicker than the old stock starter. So, I installed longer studs in the bellhousing to ensure I had plenty of threads for the washers and nuts to secure it.

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"what a coincideance!"

from the shop that has 5177, I just got invoice where they installed a "fits Pantera" starter for $300!   my instructions to them was the DB Electric "modern type"  (I didn't provide PN though).

So I need a good argument providing the reasons to use this starter.

I plan to copy original post and provide them next week

Would a reason be fitting older type with headers?

I plan to copy original post and provide them next week

unfortunately this isn't the first item they chose on their own and I windup paying twice to put on the item specified.

I sure hope that the quality of these has improved over the years.. I had installed quite a few of these when I went through a spell where I had two fail in short order. One cracked the mounting flange about 2 months after install and one cracked in nearly the same way during installation. I switched to the Powermaster with the clockable ,billet nose and have had nothing but positive results since.

And all Panteras ( -1 and -2 ) use a 164t flywheel.


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