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The seal has a metal lip, but prying under it and at all angles does nothing.

If it has the lip,it is likely the original seal. My NAPA replacement did not have the lip.

You are going at it the right way - it will come out if you can get under the lip and work your way around, lifting as you go.

Perhaps using a Dremel with a cut-off wheel to remove a section of the lip will give you a better edge to work against?

Larry

UPDATE: Just read your post to the POCA forum. since you have the lip peeled up, how about a pair of vice-grips on the lip, and try to pull it out (leverage) like a claw hammer pulling out a nail?

Baby tugs, working your way around the outer edge?
The new seal is installed. I used a little bit of the red RTV on the metal sleeve to make it more fun removing for the next owner (son).

Installing the new seal was also a PITA. I found an old thread where George suggested using a piece of PCV pipe. 50 cents at Home Depot and a small block of wood and it worked great.

Is there any need for additional sealant on the crank end or keyway ?
Thanks,
Jeff
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