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davidbdavidbMember
Jeff,

I have rented this car a few times. The agent shows you around the car and makes a big deal about all the cool bolt-on stuff (which is sealed and you sign a waiver agreeing not to remove any of it).

It's a good sales pitch idea from Ford to a captive target. Anyhow, it's automatic, sounds really great and everyone stops to gawk at it. But it was disappointing - too soft suspension and nowhere near the performance of my '99 supercharged Cobra.

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ST Si Targa (Guest)
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Originally posted by Peter H:
quote:
Originally posted by Si Targa:
In Germany you even can rent a black Si.
See more at www.sportcars4fun.com/detomaso.html


Franz:

You would not happen to know, or be able to find out, the year, chassis number and history of this car, would you? I would be very interested to know.

- Peter


Some times ago I asked him, if the car is for sale. It isn't, it's only for rent and he is also not willing to submit the vin number.
peterhpeterhMember
quote:
Originally posted by Pantera74:
I looked on the the De Tomaso registry.

There are only 2 black SI in Germany (registred).

It could be this one (#9625) for sale in 2007 in Germany the only one black/black...

http://www.qv500.com/detomasoregistrypansi9625.php

To be confirmed.


Kjell Jansson is familiar with ZDT874000MA009625 and advises that it is a 1991, owned by Mr.Jorg Sandek of Berlin, Germany. Kjell has a copy of the "Fahrzeugbrif", which shows it was first registered in Stuttgart, Germany on November 27, 1991. The asking price has dropped in the last month from € 125.000 to € 98.500.

Interestingly, Mr. Sandek has about 300 or 400 exotics and race cars in an old military-hangar at a town called Blumberg near Berlin in the old East-Germany. Kjell saw the 90Si there in October of 2005 and reports that the car is in perfect mint condition. Mr Sandek also runs a successful race team: www.jenichen-motorsport.de

I am aware of only one other black German 90 Si Pantera #9603, belonging to Gerd Schied.

In short, I do not think the Sportcars4fun 90Si is #9625 or #9603. Rather, I think it is a third black German 90 Si and that is why I would love to find out its chassis number so I can add it to the registry.

So, if anybody is making any plans for a holiday to Germany, consider how much more fun it would be if you rented a 90 Si instead of whatever crappy subcompact your travel agent was suggesting... and don't forget to write down that chassis number!!

- Peter

PS: Here is a photo of the Gerd Schied car:

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ST Si Targa (Guest)
quote:
Originally posted by Peter H:
quote:
Originally posted by Pantera74:
I looked on the the De Tomaso registry.

There are only 2 black SI in Germany (registred).

It could be this one (#9625) for sale in 2007 in Germany the only one black/black...

http://www.qv500.com/detomasoregistrypansi9625.php

To be confirmed.


Kjell Jansson is familiar with ZDT874000MA009625 and advises that it is a 1991, owned by Mr.Jorg Sandek of Berlin, Germany. Kjell has a copy of the "Fahrzeugbrif", which shows it was first registered in Stuttgart, Germany on November 27, 1991. The asking price has dropped in the last month from € 125.000 to € 98.500.

Interestingly, Mr. Sandek has about 300 or 400 exotics and race cars in an old military-hangar at a town called Blumberg near Berlin in the old East-Germany. Kjell saw the 90Si there in October of 2005 and reports that the car is in perfect mint condition. Mr Sandek also runs a successful race team: www.jenichen-motorsport.de

I am aware of only one other black German 90 Si Pantera #9603, belonging to Gerd Schied.

In short, I do not think the Sportcars4fun 90Si is #9625 or #9603. Rather, I think it is a third black German 90 Si and that is why I would love to find out its chassis number so I can add it to the registry.

So, if anybody is making any plans for a holiday to Germany, consider how much more fun it would be if you rented a 90 Si instead of whatever crappy subcompact your travel agent was suggesting... and don't forget to write down that chassis number!!

- Peter

PS: Here is a photo of the Gerd Schied car:


It's definitly not Mr. Schied's or Mr. Sandek's car.
joulesjoules"Racing is Life, anything before or after is just waiting" - Steve McQueen
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Kjell Jansson is familiar with ZDT874000MA009625 and advises that it is a 1991, owned by Mr.Jorg Sandek of Berlin, Germany. Kjell has a copy of the "Fahrzeugbrif", which shows it was first registered in Stuttgart, Germany on November 27, 1991. The asking price has dropped in the last month from € 125.000 to € 98.500.


So what is the chance of being able to import an Si to Canada if it is over 15 yrs old?
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
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Originally posted by Joules5:
So what is the chance of being able to import an Si to Canada if it is over 15 yrs old?


Very Good. For now.

I hear that Transport Canada is trying to increase that to 25 years, but for now it's 15. Basically, ANY car that is older can be imported. It's provincial regulations that determine whether it can be licensed for the road, and I can't see a GT5Si failing that.

Bring her home!
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
Wayne, the best guy near you is Ian Clarke at CAV Canada Motorsports in Burlington. But really, any good custom exhaust builder should be able to help because they will need to be built ON the car (engine in) to ensure all fits properly.

Tubing should be determined based on the engine specs so that you get proper flow.

One guy who really knows this stuff is Ron McCall, who has 180's on his Pantera AND his GT40...

In the GT40 community there are so many engine/transaxle variations that nobody makes them off the shelf. I am planning to have new ones made next year for my GT40 and I will probably go with Ian, or local (cheaper, but not as good). Hope that helps a bit.

See you in Kingston!
S stephen (Guest)
I was reading this thread today and only Pantera74 and Peter mentioned Jotec, I would not have looked at the Si again and never known the price had been lowered. I have a strong interest in this car, but in order to keep it I realistically would need to sell my GT5S, as I also want to buy or build a rep GT40 in the near future. My biggest fear is that the Si may prove dissapointing to drive when compared to my 5S. They are well down on power, and fuel injected. I love the look of the Si, can anyone shed some light on the driving experience compared to a 5S ??
Steve
P pantera1117Member
quote:
Originally posted by Peter H:
quote:
Originally posted by Pantera74:
I looked on the the De Tomaso registry.

There are only 2 black SI in Germany (registred).

It could be this one (#9625) for sale in 2007 in Germany the only one black/black...

http://www.qv500.com/detomasoregistrypansi9625.php

To be confirmed.


Kjell Jansson is familiar with ZDT874000MA009625 and advises that it is a 1991, owned by Mr.Jorg Sandek of Berlin, Germany. Kjell has a copy of the "Fahrzeugbrif", which shows it was first registered in Stuttgart, Germany on November 27, 1991. The asking price has dropped in the last month from € 125.000 to € 98.500.

Interestingly, Mr. Sandek has about 300 or 400 exotics and race cars in an old military-hangar at a town called Blumberg near Berlin in the old East-Germany. Kjell saw the 90Si there in October of 2005 and reports that the car is in perfect mint condition. Mr Sandek also runs a successful race team: www.jenichen-motorsport.de

I am aware of only one other black German 90 Si Pantera #9603, belonging to Gerd Schied.

In short, I do not think the Sportcars4fun 90Si is #9625 or #9603. Rather, I think it is a third black German 90 Si and that is why I would love to find out its chassis number so I can add it to the registry.

So, if anybody is making any plans for a holiday to Germany, consider how much more fun it would be if you rented a 90 Si instead of whatever crappy subcompact your travel agent was suggesting... and don't forget to write down that chassis number!!

- Peter

PS: Here is a photo of the Gerd Schied car:


you can see the car of Gerd Schied with new
wheels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB6PB9bvM-g
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peterhpeterhMember
quote:
Originally posted by Si Targa:
Meilenwerk is the name of a big classic car center in Berlin, located in an old, restored tram garage.
There you can find classic car dealers, restauration shops, restaurants and even private people have the possibility to store their cars there.


Is it possible to get the chassis number and owner contact information for this car? It would be great if someone could stop by the Meilenwerk Centre and see if the information is available.

Hopefully, this will not require me giving my credit card number to David... Smiler
C charliemccallMember
quote:
Originally posted by stephen:
I was reading this thread today and only Pantera74 and Peter mentioned Jotec, I would not have looked at the Si again and never known the price had been lowered. I have a strong interest in this car, but in order to keep it I realistically would need to sell my GT5S, as I also want to buy or build a rep GT40 in the near future. My biggest fear is that the Si may prove dissapointing to drive when compared to my 5S. They are well down on power, and fuel injected. I love the look of the Si, can anyone shed some light on the driving experience compared to a 5S ??
Steve


hi Stephen,

I may be uniquely qualified to answer your question, as Franz Krump was kind enough to let me drive his Si when I went to Austria to buy his (now my) GT5-S. So I drove them back to back.

The Si doesn't have the rumble of the Cleveland. At idle it is relatively quiet and was somewhat disappointing. The biggest difference is the vibration - you FEEL a Cleveland as much as HEAR it, and the SI was a little too smooth.

Once you get your foot in it, however, the engine's note is much better.

Seat of the pants impression is the acceleration is similar to a stock GT5-S.

Handling was noticeably better than the 5-S. The brakes were superb. The seats were fantastic.

There is a yellow Si with a heavily modified engine that I saw at the factory at the International Meeting in 1999 that sounded simply amazing. If it is the one I am thinking of, I've seen it advertised for sale and has roughly 550 hp. So like any Pantera, the engine can be modified to please.

Before spending that kind of cash, I'd drive one yourself to decide. It is a different car than an early Pantera, so it is worth looking at closely.

It's more modern - FI and all - and that has its good points and bad. It is a better car, there isn't much doubt about it. Perhaps it loses a small amount of character as a result?
S stephen (Guest)
hi Stephen,

I may be uniquely qualified to answer your question, as Franz Krump was kind enough to let me drive his Si when I went to Austria to buy his (now my) GT5-S. So I drove them back to back.

The Si doesn't have the rumble of the Cleveland. At idle it is relatively quiet and was somewhat disappointing. The biggest difference is the vibration - you FEEL a Cleveland as much as HEAR it, and the SI was a little too smooth.

Once you get your foot in it, however, the engine's note is much better.

Seat of the pants impression is the acceleration is similar to a stock GT5-S.

Handling was noticeably better than the 5-S. The brakes were superb. The seats were fantastic.

There is a yellow Si with a heavily modified engine that I saw at the factory at the International Meeting in 1999 that sounded simply amazing. If it is the one I am thinking of, I've seen it advertised for sale and has roughly 550 hp. So like any Pantera, the engine can be modified to please.

Before spending that kind of cash, I'd drive one yourself to decide. It is a different car than an early Pantera, so it is worth looking at closely.

It's more modern - FI and all - and that has its good points and bad. It is a better car, there isn't much doubt about it. Perhaps it loses a small amount of character as a result?[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the reply Charlie,
curiously most of my friends said the same thing, and seem to think I may be dissapointed with the Si.
About 2 months ago Franz Krump let me know that Si #9610, the white factory coverted RHD was for sale in Australia. I was in touch with the owner and before I could move any further I needed to find out the cost of importation to Ireland. IT took almost four weeks to get a figure on import duty from the Irish Revenue. By that time the car was sold. Probably the only chance I will ever have to buy a rhd Si as there are only two.
No matter, for now I have decided to keep the GT5S, I have done so much work to its engine and suspension and it really is a great car now. Will shortly be bringing my BB512 home from the UK after a complete overhaul so I will be pretty much entertained between both of them.
Steve
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