For those with time, and money, on their hands.
http://tinyurl.com/Si-clone
Larry
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Wow, pricey...
I like it 
That is here in Vegas. I would contact him, but I have no interest in buying it...well, no money to buy it. If anyone else in interested, let me know. I would be happy to get more pictures and video of it and the parts included in the deal.
I wonder how much it would take to complete?? Having to engineer and fabricate the suspension sounds a little scary to me and thus a deal killer for me. Am kind of tempted though, I could see myself putting it together someday.
I don't think the suspension geometry is a big issue unless it is completely diffent than a Group5 conversion. It's a roller already and the other big ticket item would be sourcing a ZF.
I love the look of the SI. However, I don’t think I could justify that much cash for a roller, especially with how much money my car has ended up costing me – and I’m still not done.
On the other hand, I also have a spare ZF and a spare ZF case and parts that I could make a pretty decent ZF out of for a reasonable price. Likewise, I have toyed with converting my car to a Group 5 car but would hate to cut up my narrow bodied car to convert it. So I guess getting a SI clone would save me from doing that in the future.
Yet, there is still a lot of money and work to be done with the SI clone even if a guy had some parts and pieces lying around.
On the other hand, I also have a spare ZF and a spare ZF case and parts that I could make a pretty decent ZF out of for a reasonable price. Likewise, I have toyed with converting my car to a Group 5 car but would hate to cut up my narrow bodied car to convert it. So I guess getting a SI clone would save me from doing that in the future.
Yet, there is still a lot of money and work to be done with the SI clone even if a guy had some parts and pieces lying around.
I have to say that I agree with Garvino completely. Looks like a fun project but even if you did all the work yourself and did not have to pay labor, Just to turn this into a nice driver I can see the total investment running over 50K (probably much more). If that was the case, I think I would prefer to spend a little more and buy a real one that needs a little TLC. (if there is such a beast)
Everyone has their preferance, just my 2 cents
I have to admit, I do like the look of the SI
Everyone has their preferance, just my 2 cents
I have to admit, I do like the look of the SI
quote:I think I would prefer to spend a little more and buy a real one that needs a little TLC.
less than 50 made.
None legal for US importation.
As I wrote earlier, this is the ONLY way a USA owner will get the look of a Si.
There is one previously made clone here in USA. NOT made with real factory panels. Fiberglass from take-off molds. Quite sure it is not for sale.
Larry
body/paint $20k
engine/ZF $15k
exhaust $500
ignition/fuel $1k
leather interior $5k
suspension/brakes $4k
windshield $1k
cooling system $1500
Evans headlights $1k
misc BS $3k
Total $52,000 + cost of car
An SI clone in perfect shape would bring ~$70k IMHO. So, you would have to buy the car at $18k and do most of the work yourself to break even.
Just my 2 cents
Will
engine/ZF $15k
exhaust $500
ignition/fuel $1k
leather interior $5k
suspension/brakes $4k
windshield $1k
cooling system $1500
Evans headlights $1k
misc BS $3k
Total $52,000 + cost of car
An SI clone in perfect shape would bring ~$70k IMHO. So, you would have to buy the car at $18k and do most of the work yourself to break even.
Just my 2 cents
Will
quote:Originally posted by LF - TP 2511:
None legal for US importation.
How come, emissions or something alike???
The Si's not being imported was mainly to the EPA regulations and to the so-called bumper laws. It is odd about the EPA to my limited k owledge of the cars they had Fords electronic fuel injected smallblock which is smog compliancan when catalitic convertors are used.
True it would cost too much IF you started from scratch. But if someone already had a Pantera where everything worked, except thye body had rust cancer, it would be way cheaper just transfering all of the parts from the cancer car to this one and have a brand spaking new Pantera when you were done. You could still sell the remaining cancer for five cents a pound to a scrap dealer and not come out of it too badly. Plus you would have the ONLY SI in the States.
DeTomaso did actually crash test an Si. One can only assume it didn't meet DOT's minimum standards and after it failed, DeTomaso wasn't willing or able to invest the time and money to do so. Meeting EPA standards would surely have been easy for DeTomaso.
41 Si's were made. Of those, 2 were crash tested. The Si was a vastly redesigned Pantera including the sheetmetal, frame, suspension, drivetrain (Ford's fuel injected 5.0, and 2 six speed cars), etc. Four Si's are targas (2 of those being the 6spds).
To do an external clone with original factory sheetmetal would be nice to see here in the U.S. The existing Si clone is Pat Mical's in MA. It was converted from a 5-S (if I remember correctly), and he painted it orange.
Michael
To do an external clone with original factory sheetmetal would be nice to see here in the U.S. The existing Si clone is Pat Mical's in MA. It was converted from a 5-S (if I remember correctly), and he painted it orange.
Michael
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The SI sure does look badass from the back. Take your cancerous car and re-body it or build this one outright. It will definitely not be just another Group 5 conversion. Do it slow or do it fast. It still missing the Si wing so you have to source or fab that.
I've never been one for resale value and I have enjoyed my car for the last 28 years of ownership. If you are thinking about resale value, this may be it later but not now so you can enjoy it. Later, when our cars catch up to notoriety and collectability of our Italian cousins, then you can think about resale. These aren't 6 figure cars but they sure look like it and people can't help but look (like deer and headlights).
I've never been one for resale value and I have enjoyed my car for the last 28 years of ownership. If you are thinking about resale value, this may be it later but not now so you can enjoy it. Later, when our cars catch up to notoriety and collectability of our Italian cousins, then you can think about resale. These aren't 6 figure cars but they sure look like it and people can't help but look (like deer and headlights).
Auction is over. Not even one bid!
quote:Auction is over. Not even one bid!
Well, a POCA forum member found the reserve was $70K....
The seller needs a reality check or he will never find a buyer.
Larry
I had no idea they were that rare
Love the look in orange
Not one bid at 25K tells a story, as we all know "a cars worth is only what someone is willing to pay" Unless you get someone who really wants it or perhaps has most of the parts. I am thinking mid to high teens.
Love the look in orange
Not one bid at 25K tells a story, as we all know "a cars worth is only what someone is willing to pay" Unless you get someone who really wants it or perhaps has most of the parts. I am thinking mid to high teens.
I agree that the asking price for the car should have been in the teens without the ZF, engine, and other parts. An SI clone is cool, but I personally wouldn't pay more for it.
70K reserve? cmon......
I kinda like it without the wing.
Pat's car is incredible. Pictures do not do that car justice.
I kinda like it without the wing.
Pat's car is incredible. Pictures do not do that car justice.
quote:Pat's car is incredible. Pictures do not do that car justice.
Agreed!!!