thinking of selling my Pantera????

$35,000 seems in the ball park for a driver quality Pantera. You are giving away the Webbers and 180 headers. Good luck with your sale.

Dennis, Although I am not really familiar with your car, in the picture it looks clean and has some very popular modifications. You can always start higher and go down, but you cannot start low and go up. I would start in the $45,000-49,999 range. I know that with the current economy prices are down, but I always look at it that it only takes one person who likes it as much as you and has the money to buy it. I have seen a lot of drivers without many modifications go for $35,000, so if you feel that your car is well sorted out and with the mods that you have, you should ask for more, go for it! I guess the question to ask is do you need to sell it? Because that can change things. But if you are not in a hurry, then ask for more and wait and see what kind of response you get.

I must admit, from what I can see I would have bought it in a flash. If only you said this last september !!

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Originally posted by daleyracing:
OK guys, I am thinking of selling my Pantera, you all know the car,I have had the car for a long time and you know it runs awesome with the stroker,WEBERS,180's my question is what kind of value can I get. I am thinking 35K I may be wrong, but I would take it.
Dennis

DD, you buying another or just giving up the Pantera? I thought you'd move back to Hawaii and hang with us!

imho,
the major reason why panteras are not commanding a much higher price is because we don't ask for a premium price. if you don't ask for it, you never will get it!! if the rest of dennis's pantera looks as good as those headers, the asking price is lowwwwwwwww!

again, only imho

nazgul

Wow what a great car Man! I think you are also way low for a car with the 180 degree headers & Webbers, from the look of the one photo, you should start 50K - 53K& always have room to negotiate. Like the previous post said if you don't set the bar higher the price will be lower than you want. Take it from a sales guy you price your prize product too low they will think something is wrong on the car and they will be shy, price it strong like it is an Italian Stallion or should I say CAT, & you have provided the testosterone for a strong sale!
John

$45K MINIMUM

While those of you who already have cars may think you're doing a service to the Pantera community to encourage someone to ask higher prices for their cars, what are you doing to those who are looking to get in? If the owner was willing to take $35K for his car, why do you feel the need to encourage him to bump his price by $15-20K, thus hurting someone else in the market??

Higher values protect the integraty of the marque.
Firesale prices only hurt it.
What holds the value of a car like a Cobra is that the owner doesn't need to sell the car even in bad times.
This is all cause and effect.

This is also part of what makes BJ successful. The buyers are the same people who keep the GNP at 3.5% while the rest of us are on unemployment. In a nut shell, it's the quality of the buyers, and therefore the quality of the owners.

If the car is cheap enough for migrant day workers to buy then it hurts the marque.

Also the purchase price is what encourages people to modify the car from stock. You don't see many Ferrari street cars modified into the owners concept of a group 4 car because the owner only payed a buck ninety for it.

Sorry, but I don't see the benefit of higher prices for the true enthusiasts - for dealers, maybe. I mean, I'd rather the cars be $30K so I could buy two of them, than $60K where I could only afford one. Same as with my '66 Shelby. I bought it back in the early '90s for around $35K. Similar cars have recently sold for over $200K. As I'm not planning on selling mine, it only makes me pay more insurance and become more afraid of driving it. I'd much rather they be cheaper so I could buy more of them.

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what are you doing to those who are looking to get in?

I totally agree with PanteraDoug. I understand what you are saying but better prices provide a whole lot of benefits for the marque, including providing some justification for spending the money to do a restoration right rather than the half-assed ones you see all the time. Those half-assed redo's have all sorts of problems and when the car is sold, the new owner gets a real shock when he finds all the things that aren't really right. This is one of the primary reasons why Panteras have a lousy reputation. Looking at all the recently purchased Panteras here in Dallas, I can't think of one that didn't have some sort of serious problem that surprised the new owner. Even cars that were great looking and commanded good money!

Furthermore, if people pay more, they are likely to spend the money to do repairs and restos right to protect their investment, rather than having to cut corners to save money. This means that the Pantera vendors stay in business and keep supporting the marque well like they do now. It means that more mechanics and resto shops will be interested in servicing the cars.

I could go on to other benefits, but you get my drift.

Just the opinion of a commited, very long time owner. And I don't mean that prices need to go into the stratosphere.

Heck I'll give you $40,000 for the Shelby? I wanna build a circle track racer out of it. (Do you see the problem yet?)

An old saying comes to mind. "You are either part of the problem or part of the solution".

Me? I'm just a big, big problem

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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
Heck I'll give you $40,000 for the Shelby? I wanna build a circle track racer out of it. (Do you see the problem yet?)

No, not exactly. But, if I were to offer my Shelby to you for $40K, I wouldn't expect you to tell me, "hey, that's not enough - let me give you $200K instead."

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No, not exactly. But, if I were to offer my Shelby to you for $40K, I wouldn't expect you to tell me, "hey, that's not enough - let me give you $200K instead."

No, you'd get your $40K and next week it'll be at BJ or on Ebay for $200K anyway, because many people wouldn't hesitate if they could make $160K on a flip. As long as you are okay with that money going in someone elses pocket, then there's no issue.

I think you're missing the point here, this is a forum and community of owners and one of those owners posted to gauge the market and pricing level for his car, he was duly told that it would command more than he thought. The crux is if he still chooses to sell it at $35K then so be it and the guy that buys it has a bargain. As long as buyer and seller are happy all is well.

Obviously as a potential Pantera buyer you want the best bang for your buck, but as a family of owners we want to ensure one of our members obtains full value for his car and not because it affects the value of other cars (as they are all unique anyway), but because we care about that individual.

Heck, just sell one of them Pony cars, keep the change and join 'the' family. Good luck with your search.

I think you're missing the point here, this is a forum and community of owners and one of those owners posted to gauge the market and pricing level for his car, he was duly told that it would command more than he thought. [/QUOTE]
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That's funny I thought this was a forum for people who were Pantera enthusiasts some of which happened to own one.

To me its a matter of fair. I saw that car at the PI party 2006 and $35K then would have been too low. Its not good for anyone if the prices are too low or too high. I want a good deal but not at the expense of someone else.

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That's funny I thought this was a forum for people who were Pantera enthusiasts some of which happened to own one.

Miles,
I stand corrected and offer my apologies, you are absolutely right, a family of enthusiasts.

Thank you for bringing me back to Earth.

I have seen several in the same condition with the $45,000-$49,999 price range...but I do not know what they actually sold for?

Pictures can be seen at this address.

http://www.msnusers.com/1972LPantera

Thank You everyone, Its starting to get to me, the thought of selling my car

Dennis,
Cover it up in the garage & forget it awhile, It won't be long before you miss it and pull it out for a spin & enjoy that true treasure unlike all other's " You happen to own "!

Mark

You think you would buy more if they were cheaper? Then let's look at the other side now you need a much bigger garage and while you're gettig that the misses wants a bigger house to go with it and that means more property taxes, more insurance for the buildings, more cars to insure and that means more bills to pay and less time to enjoy, almost like winter up here less time to enjoy, sure wish it was spring Rob6145

I looked at your pics and agree that this would be a steal at that price. Help reduce crime in your neighborhood. Cover your car and get out of the garage for a week or two!

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Originally posted by SICK CAT:
Dennis,
Cover it up in the garage & forget it awhile, It won't be long before you miss it and pull it out for a spin & enjoy that true treasure unlike all other's " You happen to own "!

Mark

Sorry, my missus must be trained better than yours. Also, I have two open slots in my garage right now...

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Originally posted by Joules5:

Obviously as a potential Pantera buyer you want the best bang for your buck, but as a family of owners we want to ensure one of our members obtains full value for his car and not because it affects the value of other cars (as they are all unique anyway), but because we care about that individual.

I'm sorry everyone. I must have Puritanical views.

I never understood the relationship between a masochist and a sadist.

I just presumed that they are still not considered normalities. I need to remember that political organizations probably do exist to promote their recognition and acceptance into society as just your average next door neighbors.

I just refuse to beat the masochist when they demand it. I must be old fashioned I guess. I have to try to get over that stuff.

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I am thinking 35-45K I may be wrong, but I will see what happens
Dennis

Yea, that seems low to me, except for a take it "right now" price. How is the interior & engine & restoration specs, paint condition? Just advertise it broadly on many internet sites (especially the European ones) and list all the specs. Go to the Irvine Coffee & Cars too, with a sign on the seat...lots of guys there with $. Hope you can keep it thought, I like the bumperless cars. You can also look around and see what other Panteras look like in the $35 - 45 range...not much real good in that range from what I have seen. Someone in Europe will snatch it up, all the cars are going there now. My orange Pantera sold easily no questions asked to a German dude, and is now in Germany being sold for lots more $. Still sorry I sold it but the wife said 4 is too much, and it needed paint in my opinion as well. If your paint is good, ask a nice price. Painting a car correctly these days is huge money.

I'm sorry but I have to add my 2 cent's. I do think that your price is too low. I have had 5 mustangs one was a 68 GT with a 390 with a C6 and it was fantastic car. I had a 73 Corvette that was good and a 74 Camaro (a pos) I have to say that my 74 Pantara kicks but. I do love Mustangs but I'll take a pantara any day. I personally am sick of seeing the price that mustangs are bring, even if they are GT 350's I think a Pantara will blow it away. I think that a car's price should be based on it's performance and rarity and maybe some day BJ will appreciate our cars as much as we do. Again don't get me wrong I do love mustangs, I'm sure I know every nut and bolt of 65-68 stangs but I really love my Pantera.

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Yea, that seems low to me, except for a take it "right now" price. How is the interior & engine & restoration specs, paint condition? Just advertise it broadly on many internet sites (especially the European ones) and list all the specs. Go to the Irvine Coffee & Cars too, with a sign on the seat...lots of guys there with $. Hope you can keep it thought, I like the bumperless cars. You can also look around and see what other Panteras look like in the $35 - 45 range...not much real good in that range from what I have seen. Someone in Europe will snatch it up, all the cars are going there now. My orange Pantera sold easily no questions asked to a German dude, and is now in Germany being sold for lots more $. Still sorry I sold it but the wife said 4 is too much, and it needed paint in my opinion as well. If your paint is good, ask a nice price. Painting a car correctly these days is huge money.

What european sites might one advertise in?
Will

I find this site to be one of the best:

http://www.finecars.cc/

Mark

HI,
I am interested, in your car. Very nice:-) What other mods have been done other than the exhuast and the intake.
Thanks,
Bruce
941-356-1152.

I have 2 good friends that right now are actively seeking newe sports cars to have. They are both about 50 and are in the sweet spot for Pantera ownership. They were both considering Panteras but here's the rub, once you get about $35000 you're a starting to compete with things like Z0-6s, Vipers and 930s. Have you seen how cheap 928s are? You really have to want a Pantera because those others are much better cars on almost every level. I drink the Pantera Kool Aid every day but it's been pointed out to be that I would have been much better off getting one of those other cars. The BJ stuff has nothing to do with out cars. Look around at how many bargains there are in fantastic cars on places like Craigslist. I always thought most of the expensive Panteras that are sold are the second or third Pantera that a guy has. A mover-upper. I like the fact that their reasonable. Hasn't historically a used Pantera always slotted price wise right below a Corvette?

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Originally posted by korina:
I have 2 good friends that right now are actively seeking newe sports cars to have. They are both about 50 and are in the sweet spot for Pantera ownership. They were both considering Panteras but here's the rub, once you get about $35000 you're a starting to compete with things like Z0-6s, Vipers and 930s. Have you seen how cheap 928s are? You really have to want a Pantera because those others are much better cars on almost every level. I drink the Pantera Kool Aid every day but it's been pointed out to be that I would have been much better off getting one of those other cars. The BJ stuff has nothing to do with out cars. Look around at how many bargains there are in fantastic cars on places like Craigslist. I always thought most of the expensive Panteras that are sold are the second or third Pantera that a guy has. A mover-upper. I like the fact that their reasonable. Hasn't historically a used Pantera always slotted price wise right below a Corvette?

First sorry for highjacking the thread.....I'm in this same boat. I had this discussion with myself many times and have seriously considered a Porsche, specifically the 928 GTS. Awesome car with awesome handling etc etc. But what sells the P car for me is no smog and I can do with it what I want. Its more of a "tuner" exotic car. Try modifying a 928. Porsche people will look at you like you have three eyeballs. P car guys embrace the different. They expect it. If your friends just want the same car as Joe smith then they should consider the Vette, Viper, or Porsche. I want someone to look at my car sitting by the curb and think "Wow what kind of car is that?" Then when I fire it up they think "Holy S*&% what kind of car is that!!!?!?" Won't get that with any Porsche, Vette, or Viper for $50k.

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Originally posted by korina:
I have 2 good friends that right now are actively seeking newe sports cars to have. They are both about 50 and are in the sweet spot for Pantera ownership. They were both considering Panteras but here's the rub, once you get about $35000 you're a starting to compete with things like Z0-6s, Vipers and 930s. Have you seen how cheap 928s are? You really have to want a Pantera because those others are much better cars on almost every level.

Tell your 50 y/o buddies that those cars are nice and the thing to go with if they don't want to draw attention to their car. Drive any of those into a gas station and see what happens, but drive a Pantera in and "instant car show", people come a running out of the woodwork and down the street. Then in 5 years the new models overshadow their purchase and their car will get even more lost in the woods. But good point you make nonetheless, those are nice cars, almost went with a Vapa myself, but sure glad I didn't.

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are much better cars on almost every level.

Huh?

Maybe to drive to work, listen to the radio and take on a trip in nice comfort without any fear of reliability.

But really, I've driven them all and there is no comparison. Fun factor? Doesn't that count? Forget impressing the masses, it's nothing compared to what happens when I put my foot down hard. The pure insanity of the explosion behind my ears and the adrenaline that kicks in when your eyeballs fall into the back of your head and all else goes fuzzy and almost out of control.

Please, those are nice cars but I can't hear them over my cell phone and although they will outperform on certain track conditions they don't come close on the street.

And like most of those prancing horses and raging bulls they simply aren't that much fun to drive.

After all these posts, we forgot about Dennis? Car sold?

Car is not sold, and I am not in a hurry to sell, but if it goes it goes... And thanks to everyone who has commented.