What 180 headers to buy?

Mine came with the car when I bought it. I believe they are an early handcrafted set from Hall Pantera.

Pros:
•They look and sound fabulous
•I haven’t measured the horse power but I’m sure there are gains
•They look and sound fabulous
•They look and sound fabulous

Cons:
•If you don’t have an aluminum heat shield attached to your rear deck you can kiss your paint good-by.
•My valve covers don’t come off easily but they do come off.
•I have a solid lifter cam and the adjustment process is warm!

Did I mention that they look and sound fabulous?

CB

If I understand you right, you think they look and sound fabulous?
So do I, so I have got hold of some old Hall's too. They are on a boat from the states right now, so I have som stuff to do this winter. Hope they sound good

I have Precision Proformance 180's, as Mark D has.
Negatives
- a b!tch to change the plugs
-milder tone at idle over reg headers (but I think my IR manifold smooths out my cam as well)
-you may (will) have to cut/weld the collectors to make the mufflers exit perfectly
-expensive
Pro's
-a sound like no other car (some like the sound, some don't. Much higher pitch)
-Precision headers allow you to use the deck struts (BIG ++++)
-Bling

Remember, there is a HUGE sound difference whether you exit straight out or angle out the original holes.
Also, I had the headers ceramic coated and I don't have a heat shield. No paint damage at all.
Will

The Hall's are angeled outward, but I will change them to exit straight back like in the yellow car.

speedlimit170,

I hear exactly what you're saying, but I think what we all really want to know is: How do they look and sound?

Michael

Anyone know what diameter tubing it is out on the collector part of the Hall's 180? Want to start to collect the pieces needed to build the rest of it..

My Hall 180s had 2 1/2" collectors.

Ron

Halls are angled so that they come out in the original exhaust tip location and so that you don't need to relocate the ac condenser.

I am quite sure that they were and are currently still built by Bob at Precision Pro-formance.

I do believe that the size of the collector was picked to tune the rpm range.

I have run different size collectors on my Mustang 351c and have found that the smaller collector makes a lot more torque or in other words the 3 and 3-1/2" collectors are torque killers.

Mine do exit through the screen behind what used to be the area occupied by the A/C condenser. As I said, these were on the car when I bought it. If they were intended to be routed under the car the direction was diverted to its current location with modifications made to the mufflers. Not as clean as others I’ve seen but they still have the wow factor.

CB

Am I "missing something"???. I just went to the Hall Pantera website. Price for their 180 headers $789.00. Went to Percision Pro Formance wedsite. Price for their 180's $1,795.00. A $1,000.00 DIFFERENCE!!!......"WHY"!!!...Someone on this forum stated that, Percision makes the 180's for Hall. How is this possible, if Hall charges a $1,000.00 "LESS"!!!???.....Mark.

Mark brings up a great question.

I have been toying with buying some 180’s for my car and really like the looks of Mark D’s and Will’s engine bays with their 180’s.

I have looked at both Precision Pro Formance’s and Hall’s systems. I really like the looks of Precision's and the way they come straight out the back of the car. I, however, would have a hard time justifying the extra $1000.

From looking at the pictures on Hall’s site it is hard to see where the slip joints are on their system. Also the Hall’s do not appear to hug the block as tight (as best as I can tell from the pictures on their site) making me wonder if you can use your stock rear deck struts. 4NHOTROD did mention that you can use the stock rear deck struts with Precision’s 180’s.

I have considered buying the Hall’s and then cutting them and welding them to make them run out the back like Precision’s 180’s. I have also considered fabricating my own from scratch.

I have a et from Hall. They do fit very tight to the engine and the engine compartment. The are flanged at in the middle so one side can be removed from the car without necessarily removing the other side.

There is no problem with the deck lid support. When I bought my set from Hall about 20 years ago, they came directly from Precission since they had to be made for me to fit the A3 Motorsport aluminum high port heads.

Bob is Gary son in law.

I can't speak for the differences between the two sets but maybe it's that there needs to be a recognizable difference between the two sets for business reasons?

If you are knowledgeable you will notice that there are some items in the Hall catalog that are much cheaper (and some more expensive) then other vendors. For instance, the Weber intake manifold at Hall is $600 to 650. In many other places it is $800 or $900.

One needs to be an educated buyer on a lot of this stuff.

The same situation exists with Wilkinson. Look at the price of the stub axles with him vs. others. He had them made so he doesn't need to mark them up.

The same with the fiberglass cores for the dash boards. Wilkinson makes them so he is the cheapest on them, although I think on this particular part Hall still makes his own as well.

You have to shop around and ask questions.

The main difference (although there are others) is that many people want them to go strait back. I don't I like them exiting the side. I don't want to move my condenser to the front of the car.

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Am I "missing something"???. I just went to the Hall Pantera website. Price for their 180 headers $789.00. Went to Percision Pro Formance wedsite. Price for their 180's $1,795.00. A $1,000.00 DIFFERENCE!!!......"WHY"!!!...Someone on this forum stated that, Percision makes the 180's for Hall. How is this possible, if Hall charges a $1,000.00 "LESS"!!!???.....Mark.

I had the Halls and sold them to buy the Precisions. Alot tighter and cleaner. I also liked the fact that I could use the decklid shocks. I agree that $1000 is alot, but I would do it again.
Will