Austrian/German registration: exhaust tailpipes too long?

Eugen Hi

well no issue here in Baden Württemberg. Running ANSA on small rear bumper. Stick out. Issue was more tires and brakes.. well got even Willwood rear approved..probl only one in D land. No prop. valev..top braking

more issues on back light covers RED vs Yellow on the direction/Blinker part..

good luck keep us posted..

Matthias

P.s.: You need to google for a TÜV which understands vintage cars..
P.SS.: the Avons rear should do it..my 305 did go without issue and not used the GTS extensions

Matthias, thanks for your quick reply! Good to hear about your Ansa! Do you have a picture in your "Fahrzeugbrief" where the exhaust is visible? That would be extremly helpful!
And yes, I changed the rear lenses, put new headlights in with "E"-Stamping, changed the wiring for the indicators and the sidemarker lights.
I have good experiences with the TÜV Bad Reichenhall. They will check my car next Wednesday, I hope to get the papers there which I will use to get Austrian papers the next day. :-)

Hi, 10mm overhang ist mostly accepted and can often be found in TÜV documents

For example:

https://remus.eu/media/remus/c...he_Stellungnahme.pdf

Good Luck from Bavaria,

Georg

Georg, thanks, good to know! :-)
The ANSA overhang on my Pantera is about one inch - so a little  too much I am afraid! I will probably make some spacers to put the bumpers a little more away from the body.

With your wide open autobahns encouraging high engine speeds, be aware of modifying the tail pipe angles and shortening the distance they protrude. Due to the sugar-scoop decklid, there is a big swirl of air that follows the Pantera and plasters itself against the rear body. That air-action is how the stock a/c intake works.

During a sanctioned open road race here in Nevada (U.S.) some years ago, one owner with a 500 horsepower GT-5 Pantera (changed to angled tail pipe tips & modified exhausts), ran the 92 mile long course at an average speed of 150+ mph (bursts up to 175). at the finish, he found his plastic tail light lenses MELTED from his modified exhaust tip heat just below.

He had shortened the exhaust tip protrusions & tucked them up close to the split bumpers for a 'cleaner' look. NOT a good choice, as it turned out.... I lost the photos he took on an old computer- sorry.

Is there original a difference in exhaust lenght  between the exhaust from a original US big bumper car and a Eurobumper car ?

Simon

Thanks! And yes, cutting the tailpipes is no option. For registration purposes I quickly made spacers (1,5 inch) for the chrome bumpers - see picture (drivers side). That should work for the authorities I hope. :-)

Cutting the inlet pipe from the muffler will be an option too. weld a piece of pipe inside the original pipe for slide inside the other side and use a clamp , than also the adjustement from the exhaust pipe is easier.

recently  do this with a Stainless exhaust from Wilkingson.

Dont know how to post photo's.

Simon

Complicated subject, Simon. In the black cover Factory Illustrated Parts & Accessories Manual for '85;  on pg 33, there are 5 (five) different ANSA exhaust systems shown for Panteras. Series one thru four plus a 5th for GTS & GT-5. There's also a 'big bore' system  (#6- no illustration) for the Gr-3 street-legal- racers, with or without internal baffles. Might be too loud for the street, or not?

Some part numbers have tipped up tailpipes, some tips are straight-out, some use flat gaskets and some use doughnut-style gaskets. There are matching headers for them all, which changes the overall length. Matching up two loose mufflers via the Web for exact Concours is a nightmare. Most don't bother.

Your TUV guys will have lots of fun sorting things out if you have a copy of the Manual..As usual, the whole 90 pg Illustrated Manual (9' x l4") is available on the POCA Web Site for member download. On top of all that, the ANSA Exhaust Company was sold twice and what they're making now under that name is not exactly what they sold 40 years ago. Good luck-

PM sent

Matthias

Update: I was yesterday at the TÜV, they were very nice and very helpfull, I got the German registration including the historic "H-Zulassung".
The tailpipes were absolutely no problem! Major first step -> very happy!
I hope the Austrian registration officials will use the German papers and let me register the car!

That is nice news! Top.

how did they like the parking brake/Handbremse?

Matthias

Matthias, that was no problem! I did the rear brakes, when the internal mechanism is ok the hand brake performance is not so bad. It had the almost same brake values as my front axle (with the proportional valve installed).

understood..good then.

Did they look at my paperwork/kraftfahrzeugschein I sent you for reference?

no, they had all the data they needed - but thanks for the papers anyway!!!

Now you can do some historic "H-Zulass-hauling”!.

Congrats!

Update: I got my Austria registration today! The tailpipes were absolutely no problem for the engineers at the "Landesregierung". The silencers are also really close to the inner tire wall, but nobody cared about that too!

So happy! :-)
Thanks for all the help in this forum!!1

I am very happy for you Eugen. Enjoy your Pantera to the fullest! Grüsse, Jochen

@brickdrifter posted:

I am very happy for you Eugen. Enjoy your Pantera to the fullest! Grüsse, Jochen

Thanks, and thanks again for your thorough inspection of the Pantera in Belgium! Without that I would not have bought the car!  I am very happy! :-)

Is the last government inspection required for your car, as long as it remains registered to you in Austria?

Are there also annual safety inspections to see if the car still is in compliance?

If you should someday sell the car to a countryman, and he will keep it registered in Austria, will the new owner need to have another inspection?

@larryw posted:

Is the last government inspection required for your car, as long as it remains registered to you in Austria?

Are there also annual safety inspections to see if the car still is in compliance?

If you should someday sell the car to a countryman, and he will keep it registered in Austria, will the new owner need to have another inspection?

If you want to register/drive a car here it needs this official inspection - just once. And regular cars need to have a yearly inspection at a licensed shop, for classic cars (older then 30 years) the interval is 2 years.
And if I sell the Pantera to a Austrian guy he does not to have it inspected again.

Eugen