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Hi to all. I’ve been checking on the site periodically as I haven’t had much time to work on my Pantera’s ( a 71, fairly stock and a 72 highly modified Group 5 conversion). I’m finally semi-retired and have time to work on them and am in the process of finalizing a 408 stroker motor for the 72.

I’m trying to determine the correct carb setup for it and have seen conflicting info. In looking at the forum posts for stroked clevelands a lot of folks are recommending the 850 or larger carbs. I tend to favor Barry Grant speed demon or mighty demon carbs as I’ve had good luck with them on my cobra replica and the 71 Pantera. The tech guys at Demon recommended a 750 cfm Mighty Demon with mechanical secondaries and annular-discharge boosters for my 408 setup. Everything about that set-up makes sense except for the 750 cfm part.

The engine has 4V closed chamber quench heads and is running a Holley Strip Dominator. The engine should have about a 10.7 compression ratio. Both the intake manifold and intake ports have been modified with Goodson cylinder head epoxy (similar to Terry Parkers Port Stuffers but with out the aluminum plates). In addition the head has a three angle valve job and some minor porting work. We used to do this in circle track racing in the old days and it seems to work well with these heads. The cam is a Comp Cams small base circle hydraulic roller with 110 lobe separation, 236 duration @ 50 degrees and .589/.617 lift.

Any real world advice on the carb sizing would be greatly appreciated.
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Thanks cowboy. The car is mostly street with some strip. I know the Barry Grant carbs measure flow differently (probably just to confuse us). I know I'm running a 650 Demon in the 347 stroker in the cobra and it spec's out about like a 750 Holley. The BG Tech guys thought an 850 would be over carbing and if I wasn't running those heads I agree. They're probably right, I just wanted a second opinion before parting with my hard earned money.

About time I joined the forum. Seems like a great bunch of folks and lots of good Pantera and Cleveland advice.
Just did some math and at 7500 RPM and 95% VE your engine needs 841 CFM. Seeing as 7500 probably wont be touched and 95% VE is pretty steep I would have to agree with George on the sizing. If the BG 750 flows 850 CFM you should be perfect as a 750 would be slightly too small. Looks like George already answered your question but I figured I might as well make use of some of this knowledge I payed for Smiler Not sure about actual flow rates of different carbs though. Havent used one of those things with all the screws and orfices in a while. Imagine that, gettin all dirty tuning and stuff, blech Razzer . Just kidding. Good luck with your project.

Blaine
Thanks for all the input. You’ve pretty much confirmed that 850 cfm is in the right ballpark. I think I’ll go with the Mighty Demon then, as that flows about 850. I’ll have to check out Chuck Nuytten. It would be nice to have the carb custom dialed in before start up, especially since there was a problem with some Demon carbs a while back having machining shavings in the bowls.
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Originally posted by SICK CAT:
Hi shade tree,

I found this on this site and am going to use them for myself, http://www.chucknuytten.com/

Looks like they do there homework.

Mark


Perhaps this is a thread hijack, but I have a Chuck Nuytten carb on my car. I couldn't be happier.

I bought a Holley 650DP from a Pantera vendor that was "dyno-tuned for a Pantera". My motor is far from stock, and I don't know if that was the cause or if he received a bad batch of carbs (I've heard that story as well) but i couldn't get the carb to run well on my car.

I got tired of swapping jets and so forth and sent my carb to Chuck Nuytten. I got the carb back shortly and it was dead-nuts on. It ran like a carb should run.

I sent my carb to him after a recommendation by Chuck Engels. He had a CN-rebuilt carb installed, then dyno-tuned. After an entire day at the dyno swapping jets, he gained a total of, um, ONE hp and 2 ft-lb tq. Or vice versa. Doesn't matter - getting *that* close without a dyno impressed me.
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I’ll have to check out Chuck Nuytten. It would be nice to have the carb custom dialed in before start up, especially since there was a problem with some Demon carbs a while back having machining shavings in the bowls.

A fellow PCNC member just purchase a carb from Chuck Nuytten - it's a work of art! All the interior flow surfaces are cleaned and smoothed, the shaft that secures the butterflies is modified to reduce restriction to flow, screw heads are flush mount, etc. Attention to detail is impressive!

BTW Shadetree, I see that you're in Saratoga. Come on out to the next PCNC meeting (last Thursday of the month at Coco's in Sunnyvale):
http://www.panteraclubnorcal.c....php/ev/details/2-mm

There's always a good selection of Panteras present, and some of the guys from this forum.
Thanks for the additional input on Chuck. Seems like he specializes in Holley's. I'm going to contact him first of the week. I've got some old Holley's around so it might be easier and cheaper for him to do his magic on one of those. I'll let him decide. I'll keep you posted on the results.

Garth, I've dropped in at the PCNC meetings a couple times over the years but I used to travel so much I haven't gone for a while. Now that I'm not traveling as much I'll have to rejoin and start attending. It's a great bunch of folks, as most Pantera owners are. By the way I like your website - nice job. I've never met anyone with 105000 miles on a Pantera!
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