Cleveland build

I don't read Hemmings.

John, I haven't seen the mag so I obviously can't comment on the article, I'll try and find one. Until then, just a cautious warning, most modern journalism on Cleveland engines is way off, the authors & engine builders are more familiar with Windsors & small block Chevys. That's just a geralization, nothing negative about this particular article. I do have an open mind & hope a good Cleveland article makes the press.

PS, I moved your post to the engine forum, I hope this doesn't create too much confusion.

your friend on the DTBB

John, the June issue wasn't on the magazine rack at Barnes & Noble. I purchased the May issue, whcih covered the preparation of the short block. No controversial information there. In fact, not much information at all.

your friend on the DTBB

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I don't read Hemmings.

Doug, the builder is in Nyack,N.Y.Where ever that is.

Nyack New York is in Rockland County NY right where the Tappan Zee Bridge crosses the Hudson River connecting Westchester and Rockland Counties in New York.

Home to: DJEZC, accobra and at least 6 other Panteras in our little corner of NY.

Oh yes the epicenter of all that is good. I'm only 15 miles away. I feel the warm cleansing rays of enlightenment of Rockland.

Nyack NY, yes thats Charlie Olsen Engines and thats where my engine is.

Ah yes this is the 351C 4V that was on the dyno today with stock CI intake and CI exhuast manifolds and made 500hp.

Its for a Factory Appearing Stock Tire drag racing car. The Mustang is a concourse perfect car and the motor on the outside appears to be the same. Inside the class states it can be HP.

Its a 383 cu stroker 4v CI Close Chamber heads and the other minor oiling issues got addressed 11 to 1 compression. I think a hydro roller cam.

Real cool class to race in .. take a lot of R&D.

Ron

Thanks for the reply.Article said 13/1 compression.Looked like stock closed chamber heads with a little porting.Showed a golf ball stuck in the intake port.Part three is next month and will be put on the dyno.Overall a pretty good article.

Yes it was stock except for the stroker kit and
cam .. I guess the results will be next month. Mine will be up at bat shortly.

The XE block is finally out for Sonic Testing .. I got a set of C302B heads intake and complete valve train used and the crank kit will be the 383 kit. So far thats the best I can do with a limited budget. we are shooting for 10.5 to 1 compression. So we will see.

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The XE block is finally out for Sonic Testing .. I got a set of C302B heads intake and complete valve train used and the crank kit will be the 383 kit. So far thats the best I can do with a limited budget. we are shooting for 10.5 to 1 compression. So we will see

Ron,thats not too bad.

I was patient and tried to obtain the parts I wanted for my engine .. they are used parts in good shape. I have some other options but I think they are too radical. It seems OLSEN has built some considerably higher horse power 335's. Thats where the C302B came from. There is also a crank and some other stuff laying around.

Thanks.

Ron what do they do with all the nascar motors that they use up? Do they just pitch them in the trash bin? Seems to me a person could get some good parts scrounging around the dumpster at Yates racing.

I'm not an expert on this subject but my best guess is there are numerous reasons why the parts are disciontinued from use :

Guesses:

blown up, cracked, overbored, over stressed, a plenty full supply of both parts and money, experimental reasons, out dated, poor cores, better parts become available.....etc.

Yes these parts for a variety of reasons do show up on ebay, in local speed shops, local engine builders, swap meets, local shops... etc.

Detom your down in the NASCAR BELT .. theres gotta be some part kickin around.

Ron

Well this Friday I am going to Charlotte to visit a friend of mine. I will see if we can go down to one of the big name race shops and dig around in their dumpsters. Who knows? some heads here and pistons there and before you know it I can build a high horse motor for free.

he, he, he ...

No joke George, I one time got into a fight with a racoon. He ripped me a new asshole. They are way tougher than they look. I had to go to the emergency room and everything. YOu can kick those little bastards clear across the room and they just come back for more. Take it from me, don't screw with them.

Detom how did you make out ??? find anything ??? I think a lot of these parts end up on EBAY

Ronnie

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Originally posted by accobra:
Detom how did you make out ??? find anything ??? I think a lot of these parts end up on EBAY

Ronnie

Ron, here is what I found out. The racing shops like Rousche and Penske destroy their parts before throwing them away. I asked them why they do such a stupid thing and they said so the competition won't steal their secrets, or whatever. Then I told them that was a really gay thing to do and they threw me out. So I went to the nascar mueseums, and they had like really cool 15" racing slicks for sale for like $25 bucks. They was used but some numbnuts had drilled holes in them so you couldn't use them. What dicks!!! By then I was getting pretty pissed off by this malicious contempt they seemed to have for the shade tree mechanic. So I went to the local Porsche dealer just to look at the new cars. They had a car that really appealed to me. It was called a Carrera GT and it looked like what a modern Pantera would look like. So I got my credit card out and walked up to the manager and said I would take that one over there, and he said, sorry sir but we have sold that to another customer. What bullshit!!! They probably just didn't want to sell it to me on account of the way I smelled from having been crawling around in dumpsters all day. What a crappy trip that turned out to be.

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Originally posted by DeTom:

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Originally posted by accobra:
Detom how did you make out ??? find anything ??? I think a lot of these parts end up on EBAY

Ronnie

Ron, here is what I found out. The racing shops like Rousche and Penske destroy their parts before throwing them away. I asked them why they do such a stupid thing and they said so the competition won't steal their secrets, or whatever. Then I told them that was a really gay thing to do and they threw me out. (

So the conversation went like this?

DeTom to Jack Roush: " Hey Jack, Can I have that old block"

Jack to DeTom: "Sorry, no. We destroy our propriatary equipment before it is recycled"

DeTom to Jack Roush: "Why do you do something so Stupid?"

Jack to DeTom: "We have 10s of millions of dollars of R&D and years of effort invested in our equipent, we destoy it before it is recycled in order to protect our intellectual property, our domineering position in motorsports, and our team's livelihood"

DeTom to Jack: "That's really gay"

Jack to DeTom "Get out!!!"


LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

HEY!!! He was wearing a wire during my visit??? How gay is that?? What is he??? FBI or something???? Man you just can't trust anyone no more.

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Originally posted by DeTom:
HEY!!! He was wearing a wire during my visit??? How gay is that?? What is he??? FBI or something???? Man you just can't trust anyone no more.

DT you should have your own TV program. You could be the Jerry Springer of the carnut world.

Well how else would the guy know the owners name was Jack unless he saw his name tag?? I mean he knew too many details of the conversation for it to be a coincidence.
And Doug, what kinda car is a PHD????? Jack said I had to have one if I wanted to work for him. I never heard of one. Who is it made by??? Is it some kinda frenchie car????

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Originally posted by DeTom:
Well how else would the guy know the owners name was Jack unless he saw his name tag?? I mean he knew too many details of the conversation for it to be a coincidence.
And Doug, what kinda car is a PHD????? Jack said I had to have one if I wanted to work for him. I never heard of one. Who is it made by??? Is it some kinda frenchie car????

Yeah, we let the guys with Ph.D's work for us.
They shovel the shit and the guys who didn't grad HS follow them around to learn.

We let the guys with the drivers license push the wheelbarrels.

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They probably just didn't want to sell it to me on account of the way I smelled from having been crawling around in dumpsters all day. What a crappy trip that turned out to be.

DT,I hope you learned your lesson.Don't look for hi performance parts in the dumpster.George even tried to warn you.Please don't tell them you own a pantera.

Detom man your a piss .. LOL But some of those parts show up on ebay .. but probably the parts that are rejects only. Or the test parts that were a complete failure. There not letting out any technology and secrets.

Ron

Well JW, at least I didn't have a run in with a coon cause I went in broad daylight. I been a might skiddish about coons ever since one kicked my ass in a fight.