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HI, I've just purchased a 72 Pantera which carries the fore mentioned engine. I know there was only a brief run on these engines. What are there characteristics and is there any reason why this type of engine was not used for a longer period. My engine has been rebuilt, tuned and runs on song, but, all different makes come with different reputations ?
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BD,

The Cleveland engine was produced in the US for 5 years, from the summer of 1969 through the summer of 1974, and installed in Ford vehicles during the 1970 through 1974 model years. The motor was also exported to Australia during this time. Australian production of the Cleveland motor commenced in 1972, but US motors continued to be exported to Australia through the summer of 1974.

The Cleveland motor belongs to an engine series known as the 335 series, which also includes the 351M and 400. Cleveland motors produced in the US all displaced 351 cubic inches. Australia produced Cleveland engines in 2 displacements, both 302 cubic inches and 351 cubic inches.

The Cleveland engines produced in the US fall into 3 broad categories, with detail variations from year to year. Those 3 categories include a 2 barrel carburetor version with hydraulic camshaft known as the 351C 2V; a 4 barrel carburetor version with hydraulic camshaft known as the 351C 4V or 351 Cobra Jet; and a 4 barrel carburetor version with solid lifter camshaft known as the 351 Boss or 351 HO. The Pantera was equipped with the second category of motor, equipped with a 4 barrel carburetor and a hydraulic camshaft, so I shall focus on that motor from this point onward.

The 1970 and 1971 Panteras featured the 351C 4V motor advertised as having a 10.7:1 compression ratio (actual was 9.5:1), rated for 300 bhp in 1970, 285 bhp in 1971. 4V is reference to the 4 venturis, or barrels, of the carburetor. It had a small, equal bore 4 barrel carburetor of approximately 600 cfm capacity, a single point distributor and a very mild hydraulic lifter camshaft. The cylinder heads featured large valves, large ports and “closed” combustion chambers, and the cast pistons had flat domes. The engine block was equipped with only 2 bolts per main bearing cap. This engine is known in the US as the “M” code engine.

Near the end of the 1971 model year; the 351C 4V motor was replaced by a 280 bhp motor, known as the Cobra Jet, having a true 8.6:1 compression ratio. This motor had a larger spread bore carburetor of approximately 700 cfm capacity, a dual point distributor and a hotter camshaft with more valve lift and duration. The cylinder heads had the same large valves and large ports of the earlier motor, but featured “open” or hemispherical combustion chambers. The motor also shared the same cast, flat dome pistons of the previous engine. The harmonic balancer of this motor was substantially larger than that of the previous engine, and the block featured 4 bolt main bearing caps. Overall the Cobra Jet motor was a much better performing motor than the motor that had preceded it. This motor continued into production for the 1972 model year unchanged. In the US this motor is known as the Q code motor.

The Q code motor continued into production for the 1973 and 1974 model years, but Ford dropped the Cobra Jet name, and returned to calling it a 351C 4V. Four changes were made to the motor in order to meet stricter emissions regulations. The first of these changes was replacement of the cast flat dome pistons with cast “dished” pistons, lowering the motors compression ratio to a dismal 8.0:1. The second change was replacement of the large valves with smaller valves equal in size to those of the 351C 2V motor. The cylinder head retained the large ports in spite of the smaller valves. The third change was the addition of exhaust gas recirculation and the final change was to retard the camshaft timing by four degrees. Thus equipped, the motors power rating slipped to 264 bhp.

The M code & Q code motors have one rather serious flaw, Ford engineers equipped the motor with 2 piece valves, wherein the valve heads are induction welded to the stems. The valve spring retainers are captivated by multi-groove keepers designed with a small clearance between keeper and valve stem. The valve heads have a tendency to break loose from the stem, the keepers have a tendency to loose their grip on the valve stem, and the spring retainers have been known to split as well. When a motor drops a valve while operating, it most usually results in a ruined engine block and cylinder head, as well as other damage to the reciprocating assembly. Prudent advice is to have the valves, keepers & retainers replaced with better parts at your earliest convenience.

The cylinder heads of this motor represented the culmination of what Ford had learned during the total performance era of the 1960's, this was in fact the last push rod V8 designed by Ford. The Cleveland motor is capable of producing more power per cubic inch than any other American V8 designed during the muscle car era. The engine was so superior to other designs of the time, that in order to level the playing field in competition, Cleveland equipped race cars were penalized with higher minimum weight restrictions or restrictor plates between the carburetor and intake manifold.

The 351C 4V motor, with its giant port heads, was designed with one thing in mind, i.e. high performance. So when corporate Ford switched its focus to fuel economy and building safer vehicles, there was no longer a place for this motor in Ford's line up. Ford officially abandoned its racing program and dropped all high performance cars from its model line up, including the Pantera.

The Cleveland engine remained in production in Australia through 1982, where its fame as a performance engine, if anything, is even greater than it was in the US. Australia is a source for a great deal of the performance parts available today for this motor. DeTomaso's source for Pantera engines beyond 1974 was Australia.

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http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1420006404

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Originally posted by jwr2968:
...I always read that compression ratio for the 72 cobra jet engine was 8.6 to 1.Not that 8.8 is any big difference.


John, the difference is not significant, but you are correct. I looked it up, my brain had certainly scrambled the facts over time. The 1972 351C HO was rated at 8.8:1 compression ratio, the Cobra Jet motor of that year was only 8.6:1. Good eye! Thanks for keeping me on my toes.

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Originally posted by bulldog:
George, thanks for taking the trouble to reply. That was very informative.


You're most certainly welcome

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OK George, here is a little tuffer question. If you took a CJ spec motor, and you took it's heads off, and then you took the heads from a 1970 motor and bolted it right on without changing pistons, cams or nothing else, what would you have? Would it be worth doing?? Or would it just blow up first time you started it up??
DeTom,

one of the more common engines I built long ago, was basically just what you are suggesting. I would zero deck the block & install the closed chamber heads, with fordged flat top pistons that resulted in 10.0:1 compression. I installed a Duraspark ignition, installed a hydraulic cam that was just a bit hotter than the Cobra Jet cam, 290/290 degree duration, .505/.505 lift, topped it with either the Autolite spread bore carb or a 750 Holley on a Blue Thunder intake and exhausted through headers and dual exhaust. That made a smooth running daily driver motor that pulled about as hard as the Boss 351, about 380 ft/lbs and 350 bhp (or more depending upon the combination and head work). With 3.91 or 4.11 gears in a Mustang, it was one sweet motor.

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Muwahahaaha!!! Thanks George. Do you have to use differant pistons?? I mean I would rather not have to pull that part of it apart on an engine that will have way less than 2000 miles. Just heads, maybe like you said a little bit better cam, since that part will be open to get the heads off. So I guess I could do that then. Would you put them hydaulic roller lifetrs in?? I know those seem pretty good now a days. Would they just plop right in?? Thinking now a gauy who has never done an engine by himself now, not an expert.
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Originally posted by DeTom:
Muwahahaaha!!! Thanks George. Do you have to use differant pistons?? ...


Not at all, you can run what ya brung, but the performance of the motor will be effected. quite frankly, if you're not zero decking the block & if the motor has flat tops in it, I would just mill the OC heads, shoot for 9.0:1 compression. If the pistons are dished, then install the CC heads just to get the compression up...OR...rather than dumping bucks into the iron heads, go for a set of CHI or AFD alloy 2V heads.

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Originally posted by DeTom:
...Would you put them hydaulic roller lifetrs in?? ...


the hydraulic roller lifters may be a bit much for a newbie. I recommend a flat tappet hydraulic cam, the Comp Cams XE274 is a good recomendation, lots of lift to make big bhp, but not a lot of overlap, for drivability, good cam for around 9.0:1 compression. Or an alternate cam could be one of those old '70s vintage 290/290, .505/.505 cams, one of those will put some grins on yer face, but leave you with a reliable, drivable motor.

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