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Things may look entirely different by the time the month of May rolls around.

BTW, early registration cuts off May 31 for both events.

I'm strongly, can't see any reason I'll change, leaning to the new event, La Dolce Vita, at Black Horse.

Tom T. is going to be there, their website actually pictures a Pantera, they are celebrating De Tomaso's 50th...pretty well seals the deal for all of us, IMHO.

I really don't give a rat's ass about the Dancing Donkey cars and where THEY decide to go. If I want to see rows of the same car after car, I can go down to my local Ford, Toyota, Chevy dealer.

But waiting for a month or so can't really hurt anything, so as George suggests, I'm not putting my money down quite yet.

Larry
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Originally posted by msm_portata:
POCA will likely endorse La Dolce Vita and help put together something appropriate to commemorate the De Tomaso 50th anniversary.

There are no plans yet for judging, though the event organizers are open to it. That's a lot of work and some expense to organize and run, so I am not up for it. George, what are PI's plans for endorsement? Does PI plan to run a judging event at whatever venue you go with

Originally posted by msm_portata:
Here is the initial list on the La Dolce Vita website.
http://www.montereybayconcours.com/EVENT/features.php

On Monday, their designer should have the full page advert with Jan's car.


So ... I take it that POCA has offically decided to make La Dolce Vita a POCA Sponsored event, but doesn't really want to do the work, judging, running or deal with the costs.

POCA wants Pantera International to do it for them ....

Am I understanding this all correctly ?
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So I take it that POCA has offically decided to make this a POCA event

Endorse is just that; he is not trying to make it a POCA event. The endorsement is only an attempt to direct Pantera owners to one event, the new event (La Dolce Vita) at the old location (Black Horse). His intent is that for unity, Panteras would be best served if we had some direction on which one of the two Concourse events to choose. This would help ensure we have a maximum representation at ONE event, rather than being spread over two peninsula locations. I think this is a good move on Mark's part as President of POCA.

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but doesn't really want to do the work, judging, running or deal with the costs (of a judging event).

Correct, and rightly so.

Traditionally, P.I. has been the recognized club for events during the Monterey weekend. In that capacity, P.I. has been the representative club at the Concorso, and until last year when they decided to drop it after nearly 20 years, P.I hosted a luncheon and Corral at the Laguna Seca Historics.

I, and other members of PCNC, stepped up to the plate and saved the Corral parking tradition at last year's Historics. It was a last minute decision, and being something new to PCNC, it took A LOT of getting-up-to-speed back-room effort. But it needed to be done. Mark was active in that effort, and knows the time, effort and headaches it took to pull it off.

Should there be a desire for a judging at the new event, Mark (probably with last year's Corral efforts still well-remembered) has decided it will not be organized by POCA.

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POCA wants George and I to do (a judging event) for them....

Where did you get the THAT idea?

P.I. has always incorporated a judging at the Concorso; thus it is nothing new to P.I. Should P.I. decide to work with the organizers of Concorso, it seems reasonable to assume P.I. would continue with their handling of a judging event. Mark merely stated POCA was not up to the task of doing such a judging at the new event and asked if P.I. had considered continuing their judging at the new event IF THEY ALSO endorsed La Dolce Vita.

With George not yet ready to endorse either of the two competing events, the issue of ANY judging event at ANY Friday Concourse is up in the air.

Mark is merely wondering what thoughts P.I. has on this issue, and letting it be known that POCA will not be doing one as a POCA-run event.

The De Tomaso Family benefits from having two owner clubs. They each have their own flavors, strengths and weaknesses. Some owners are exclusive to only one club, others like me, support both clubs. POCA has traditionally had the Fun Rally as their premier gathering. P.I. has had the Monterey Weekend as theirs. With the Corral issue of last year, this event-specific distinction has become a bit blurred.

If P.I. decides to move to La Dolce Vita, I would hope they would bring their traditional judging event with them.

And do it all for the De Tomaso Family (not POCA) just as they have been doing for many years.

Just my thoughts - not Mark's, not POCA's, not PCNC's.

Larry
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Thanks Larry. That pretty well states it.

To be clear, neither CI nor LDV will be a "POCA-owned" event. I simple want to evaluate the pluses and minuses and make a recommendation. POCA will not take money from either event to steer people there. POCA will provide information about both events in the Newsletter and website.

The net of the judging event is that I already have way too much on my plate to organize a judging event. Even if I had time and energy to spend on it, I would defer to PI who has certainly earned the right to first-refusal to any judging event anywhere in Monterey for all their years of work on the judging event at CI.

Basically, there three options now: PI can run judging event at CI, LDV, or nowhere. It is George's decision. We will certainly support him and get the word out about whatever he decides. If he chooses LDV, we can put up a united program involving PI, POCA, and Tjaarda Designs. If he chooses CI, we will certainly let everyone know. If he chooses not to do it at all, we can all sit back, drink beer, and make comments about Ferrari drivers. :-)

Like nearly everyone I have spoken with including the Adlers, I am going to LDV. If the Ferrari clubs go to CI and LDV folds next year, so be it.
As George recommends, I am going to hold off buying my tickets as there is no downside to doing so.

I am going to write up a note for the May Newsletter with the list of pluses and minuses, so that people can see what they will and will not get in time to be able to make their purchase decision.
It would have been appropriate for Mark and I to speak privately before any public announcement of a "likely" event choice were made. In light of this Jim's comments are fully understandable, he has my full support. These forums are not the venue for Mark and I to discuss plans.

I had answered Mark's question before he asked it. My plans at the moment are to watch and wait, nothing has changed. I am not going to buy into the drama or the need for a hasty decision. The event is in August, its only March. We have until the end of May before the prices go up. I am in no hurry to make a decision, does that surprise anyone? I'm half Okie, I'm not in a hurry to do anything. I believe anyone in the DeTomaso hobby that has committed to LDV has committed too hastily in light of what is happening with the Concorso since Tom McDowell has come aboard.

Everyone was disappointed in the location of last years Concorso, but all was not negative, that venue did have some positive aspects, the event moved forward in some ways. I asked many attendees if they would return the following year, and surprisingly to me the response was universally yes. Why? Because its not about the venue, its about the gathering, its about seeing old friends, its about the cars, its about passion. Those of you who didn't attend missed out on a good day (and a nice sun burn, Smiler ). I think its a shame that we have two events now, with the possibility that they shall create division amongst the various marques, and the clan of Italian car owners as a whole. For this the blame lies solidly on the upstarts.

What about loyalty. The Concorso organizers have given the clan of Italian car owners 23 years of memorable events. They screwed up last year, so do we now abandon them? Or do we admit that everyone screws up every now and then, and give them a second chance, like an old friend? I would be ashamed to tell anyone that I am abandoning the Concorso because they screwed up once in 23 years. It wasn't a malicious screw up, they didn't fool anybody, they announced the event was being held at an airport long before they collected any money. Don't the preceding 22 years they didn't screw up count for something? In my book they do. Everyone who has expressed unhappiness with last years event has asked the Concorso to return to the greens. Well .... its done just that. Tom McDowell has only been on board a few short weeks, and already he's inked a contract with a golf course; and judging from Mark's earlier comment, it appears he has the support of the Ferrari clubs. I say WOW! and kudos Mr. McDowell. He's given us what we asked for, but now that's not enough? If the LDV had not been established, wouldn't everyone be excited that the Concorso was returning to the greens? Give Tom McDowell a chance. What if in the next few weeks the 50th anniversary of the founding of DeTomaso becomes part of the Concorso program? April is going to be a month of change in regards to these two events. From my point of view there's many aspects to my decision regarding which event I shall attend, including a test of my character.

Whichever event has the momentum, whichever event the majority of Italian car owners & spectators shall be attending, that's the event where our marque needs to have representation.

-George ... watching and waiting
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George,

Have you, or anyone else, contacted either group to see if they will include a celebration of 50 years of DeTomaso in their programs? I am sure that this would be of extreme interest to people trying to figure out which event to go to. I also know that doing these shows is an incredible undertaking that is not to be poo pooed, but then again, a landmark like a 50 year anniversary should have some weight too -- it is an opportunity that comes along once.

I understand the loyalty aspect of the Concorso, but an acknowledgement of 50 years would have to be weighed against either venue. Wouldn't it be something if both places had a 50 year celebration!

I would also agree on your assessment of waiting to see what develops. Makes sense -- there is no reason to rush to decision at this point.

May the best event win.

Sounds like the VHS vs. Betamax or the Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD format wars of years ago. Unsettling would be a good word -- until one can see which event has it together the best.
So if both places do this 50 year celebration, does that mean they get 25 years each ?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DeMopuar:
I understand the loyalty aspect of the Concorso, but an acknowledgement of 50 years would have to be weighed against either venue. Wouldn't it be something if both places had a 50 year celebration!
I know the guy that owns Laguna Seca Golf Club and he informs me that Concorso is confirmed for 09 at his course under new ownership. He said that they are attempting to bring back some of the magic of the early years all in a classic golf course setting, instead of that god awful Marina airport. I have tickets to the Quail and I am thinking of selling them so I can go back to my roots and attend Concorso.
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Lamborghini Club America and Valentino Balbo

Well, Lambo OC and their tight, sweet little tarts is DOA, and I really can do without the hip hop/disco club 'dudes' who tool in with their lime green Lambos.

And as for Valentino Balbo........

who? Confused

Still heavily leaning to the new event, La Dolce Vita, at Black Horse.

I want Tom to sign some stuff for me. Wink


Larry
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