To see PanteraDoug ask this question is simply mind-blowing. I have the same question in my head almost all the time when I read PanteraDoug's postings. Or to be honest, I rarely read to the end, I stop when it starts to include "funny" things. Remember at school? The boys could be split into 3 groups: The many that were not funny and not trying, the few that were funny, and the one that weren't funny but tried and tried and tried, embarrassing everybody, and hijacking any serious discussions in the attempt. IMO PanteraDoug is that guy on this Forum, year after year. Bloody annoying, and I'm surprised George accepts it, at the expense of the rest of us. Sorry