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Junk!!
looks like the artist used the traditional DeTomaso crest on the front of the car ... it has that going for it - even if it does look like a 'me to' SUV.
To my untrained eye, there's a bit of the 2003 Alpha Kamal concept, the Peugeot 3008, or even the Honda Jazz SUV in there ... then again, it's an small SUV, they all look pretty much alike to me, it could be a Nissan or a Buick or even the Lotus ZAP-X ... The specs for the ZAP was for it to cost $60K, do 0-60 in 4.8 seconds, charge in 10 minutes top speed of 150mph, and go 350 miles between charges - now that's something differentiating for an SUV (of course, who knows if it will materialize)!
2003 Alpha Kamal Concept SUV
Peugeot SUV
Honda Jazz SUV
Lotus ZAP-X
To my untrained eye, there's a bit of the 2003 Alpha Kamal concept, the Peugeot 3008, or even the Honda Jazz SUV in there ... then again, it's an small SUV, they all look pretty much alike to me, it could be a Nissan or a Buick or even the Lotus ZAP-X ... The specs for the ZAP was for it to cost $60K, do 0-60 in 4.8 seconds, charge in 10 minutes top speed of 150mph, and go 350 miles between charges - now that's something differentiating for an SUV (of course, who knows if it will materialize)!
2003 Alpha Kamal Concept SUV
Peugeot SUV
Honda Jazz SUV
Lotus ZAP-X
deniscCaretaker of 8MA1244 '70 Euro Mangusta DRIVE THEM, THEY WERE MEANT TO BE DRIVEN, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ONE, BUY A POSTER!
Harry, Don't be so negative. All we have is rumours and finally a small sketch
Richard, Great catch. Im guessing the Alfa; same heritage very close lines, could be (as they say in the business) a joint venture like the Probe-Mazda MX6 or the Village-Nissan Quest.
According to European mags the project is canned so there may be an exodus for those engineers on that particular project.
Richard, Great catch. Im guessing the Alfa; same heritage very close lines, could be (as they say in the business) a joint venture like the Probe-Mazda MX6 or the Village-Nissan Quest.
According to European mags the project is canned so there may be an exodus for those engineers on that particular project.
I like it except for the air dam that looks like a jaw bone. But, that could just be the illustration.
I would rather get a Porsche Cheyenne though. The DeTomaso brand doesn't mean much to me outside of the Pantera and Mungusta. People always understand why I own a unique sports car, but a strange brand of SUV? I don't see the use unless it is truly unique or outstanding in some way.
I would rather get a Porsche Cheyenne though. The DeTomaso brand doesn't mean much to me outside of the Pantera and Mungusta. People always understand why I own a unique sports car, but a strange brand of SUV? I don't see the use unless it is truly unique or outstanding in some way.
I think it looks Japanese, not Italian.
-G
-G
It looks like a BMW X3 to me, but with a 'ricer' nose - you know, the swoopy scoopy kind the kids love slapping onto the front of their Honda Prelude's and Civics to turn them into 'racecars.' 
You know what??? I changed my mind. I'd rather see "ONE" almost out of reach DeTomaso supercar than any DeTomaso SUV, or sedan. Since when was DeTomaso GM???
I cautiously like it as long as it has a 400-500 HP V8, hopefully a Ford and the body and chassis are made out of light-weight aluminum as earlier mentioned. Although it may be bench-marked to a Cayenne, I have never thought the Cayenne was a great looking car although I admired its performance capabilities. I would have rather had a Range Rover Sport if this type of vehicle had a place in my garage. I should talk at all because the closest thing we have is a '97 Dodge Ram diesel with over 300K trouble-free miles on the clock!
Dave,
You touch on a subject that I am passionate about, i.e the current production car horsepower wars. I think they are foolish.
A small high revving motor that builds its power as the engine speed rises, coupled with a light weight chassis is the current state of the art for sporting automobiles wearing street tires (BMW M3, Ford Mustang GT). The limited production automobiles making 500 BHP and more would not be safe if it weren't for electronic traction control. Try driving one with the traction control turned off and you'll understand my point. From a performance stand point it accomplishes nothing to have more horsepower than street tires can couple to the asphalt. Obviously ego plays a role in such purchases.
My personal Holy Grail is a compact, lightweight, 400 bhp power plant powering a 2400 pound street legal sports car (6 pounds per horsepower).
I believe the new 5.0 liter V8 in the Mustang GT was designed solely because the enthusiasts interested in the Mustang associate the Mustang with V8 power. Its a niche market engine for a niche market car. But ... I'll admit Ford's new naturally aspirated 5.0 liter V8 in the Mustang GT is no slouch, making 412 bhp at 6500 rpm with a 7000 rpm limit.
Just for grins I thought I'd mention BMW's 4.0 liter V8 in the fourth generation M3 (E90) too. Known as the S65B40, the M3 V8 is naturally aspirated, high revving, delivers 414 bhp at 8,300 rpm, and 300 foot/lbs of torque at 3,900 rpm. Now that's a sports car engine!
The top model Lincoln normally gets Ford's top performance engine, and the current MKZ is equipped with a 3.5 liter EcoBoost V6, featuring direct injection, twin turbo chargers, and 355 bhp (same engine produces 365 bhp in the Tuarus SHO). This shows you which engine Ford considers its best and where the future lies. I'm very impressed with Ford's 3.0, 3.5 & 3.7 liter Duratec and EcoBoost V6 engine's. They surely represent the future. I wish the money spent on the 5.0 V8 had been invested wringing more bhp out of the EcoBoost motor.
A Twin-turbocharged version of the 3.0 Duratec V6 is used in the Noble M400. The engine is tuned to produce 425 bhp at 6500 rpm, with a torque figure of 390 foot/lbs at 5000 rpm. From a 3 liter motor! Now that's a sports car engine!
FYI, the Duratec motors are built in Ford's Cleveland engine plants #1 and #2. Where the 351C was manufactured.
I might have to trade the Continental in on a MKZ ... someday
-G
You touch on a subject that I am passionate about, i.e the current production car horsepower wars. I think they are foolish.
A small high revving motor that builds its power as the engine speed rises, coupled with a light weight chassis is the current state of the art for sporting automobiles wearing street tires (BMW M3, Ford Mustang GT). The limited production automobiles making 500 BHP and more would not be safe if it weren't for electronic traction control. Try driving one with the traction control turned off and you'll understand my point. From a performance stand point it accomplishes nothing to have more horsepower than street tires can couple to the asphalt. Obviously ego plays a role in such purchases.
My personal Holy Grail is a compact, lightweight, 400 bhp power plant powering a 2400 pound street legal sports car (6 pounds per horsepower).
I believe the new 5.0 liter V8 in the Mustang GT was designed solely because the enthusiasts interested in the Mustang associate the Mustang with V8 power. Its a niche market engine for a niche market car. But ... I'll admit Ford's new naturally aspirated 5.0 liter V8 in the Mustang GT is no slouch, making 412 bhp at 6500 rpm with a 7000 rpm limit.
Just for grins I thought I'd mention BMW's 4.0 liter V8 in the fourth generation M3 (E90) too. Known as the S65B40, the M3 V8 is naturally aspirated, high revving, delivers 414 bhp at 8,300 rpm, and 300 foot/lbs of torque at 3,900 rpm. Now that's a sports car engine!
The top model Lincoln normally gets Ford's top performance engine, and the current MKZ is equipped with a 3.5 liter EcoBoost V6, featuring direct injection, twin turbo chargers, and 355 bhp (same engine produces 365 bhp in the Tuarus SHO). This shows you which engine Ford considers its best and where the future lies. I'm very impressed with Ford's 3.0, 3.5 & 3.7 liter Duratec and EcoBoost V6 engine's. They surely represent the future. I wish the money spent on the 5.0 V8 had been invested wringing more bhp out of the EcoBoost motor.
A Twin-turbocharged version of the 3.0 Duratec V6 is used in the Noble M400. The engine is tuned to produce 425 bhp at 6500 rpm, with a torque figure of 390 foot/lbs at 5000 rpm. From a 3 liter motor! Now that's a sports car engine!
FYI, the Duratec motors are built in Ford's Cleveland engine plants #1 and #2. Where the 351C was manufactured.
I might have to trade the Continental in on a MKZ ... someday
-G
George,
My brother has a '08 GT500 with the larger supercharger (600 hp+) and it is a blast to drive (read: borderline scary). Granted, he had to upgrade the suspension to get it to hook up. It hits that 6 lbs/hp mark.
I think that Ford did a great job with the new 5.0. It is already set up for twin turbochargers and direct injection (just change the connecting rods and it's ready), as that was a requirement in the development. If you read about it's development, it actually mirrors (and uses) some development of the ecoboost engines. It will replace the 5.4 modular soon.
Did you see the Boss 5.0 motor? 440 bhp and a redline of 7500 rpm in an engine that is designed to last 250k miles and beyond.
On the subject of the developmental SUV;
I personally think the new SUV is extremely expensive, period. It better have diamond-encrusted trim for that price.
My brother has a '08 GT500 with the larger supercharger (600 hp+) and it is a blast to drive (read: borderline scary). Granted, he had to upgrade the suspension to get it to hook up. It hits that 6 lbs/hp mark.
I think that Ford did a great job with the new 5.0. It is already set up for twin turbochargers and direct injection (just change the connecting rods and it's ready), as that was a requirement in the development. If you read about it's development, it actually mirrors (and uses) some development of the ecoboost engines. It will replace the 5.4 modular soon.
Did you see the Boss 5.0 motor? 440 bhp and a redline of 7500 rpm in an engine that is designed to last 250k miles and beyond.
On the subject of the developmental SUV;
I personally think the new SUV is extremely expensive, period. It better have diamond-encrusted trim for that price.
quote:Originally posted by Cowboy from Hell:
A Twin-turbocharged version of the 3.0 Duratec V6 is used in the Noble M400. The engine is tuned to produce 425 bhp at 6500 rpm, with a torque figure of 390 foot/lbs at 5000 rpm. From a 3 liter motor! Now that's a sports car engine!
-G
And they explode every time you take them to the race track!
Ron
http://www.yankodesign.com/201...le-suit-turned-auto/
Take a look at the DeTomaso Ghepardo(designers concept), the lines look very similar to the SUV. Bosswrench corrected me...I thought it was one of the design cars for the new DeTomaso....but I guess not.
Take a look at the DeTomaso Ghepardo(designers concept), the lines look very similar to the SUV. Bosswrench corrected me...I thought it was one of the design cars for the new DeTomaso....but I guess not.
The rear doors and rear deck lid are integrated, so motor heat hits you like a sledgehammer when you open the rear doors. Seems like the designer would rather do something silly like that rather than put a seam somewhere unatractive. But, I good designer figures out how to make it attractive AND functional.
The young designer of the Gephardo does not and never did work for DeTomaso- old or new. He lives in Minnesota and is trying to get a design job in the new Turin Italy plant (as are a dozen or so other aspiring designers) by making and posting these drawings. Now he apparently has built a 1/4 scale model of his dream.
I agree with George that the Tosca looks more Japanese than Italian. I fail to see anything inspirational enough to justify its pricetag.
How many people will fork over that kind of money for a car that completely blends in with X3's? There has to be something else to justify that kind of sticker price...
How many people will fork over that kind of money for a car that completely blends in with X3's? There has to be something else to justify that kind of sticker price...
I have absolutely no interest in owning any kind of SUV. Seems like a wasted effort for the new de Tomaso.
Mike
Mike
When we bought our Longchamp, we wanted to have a coupe that was different than a Mercedes or other Luxo-Euro GT vehicle. By the time we imported, Federalized and ironed out all the bugs including the damage caused by Lufthansa with their expert handling, we had more money invested in the car than if we had bought a 928 or MB. I must say though, we had something different and better yet, it had an Isis badge on the snout that we could brag about. If DeTomaso had built an SUV in 1984 when we bought the Longchamp, we would have bought it if we could reasonably have afforded it. This is because we are DeTomaso addicts. We wanted a Deauville as well but ended up buying a DeTomaso era Quattroporte (what a nightmare but supremely comfortable) and we could still brag it was a DeTomaso in a way.
We carry around a lot of stuff now wherever we go and we live in the country where we could use a 4WD as well. If cost was not a factor (and it certainly is) we would be interested in the new DT SUV just because it is a DeTomaso. HOWEVER, if there is not a connection, a reaching-out to us old owners and the new DeTomaso is intent on carving out a new market space of Generation X, Y, Z or whatever and to hell with us old farts (sorry George! for using the F-word), this type of disconnect would turn me off to the car altogether. I can definitely see a market for this car within our large group or network of existing DeTomaso owners and enthusiasts. A good friend of mine bought a Bigua which later became the Qvale Mangusta. He told me he couldn't stand the looks but he wanted it because it was a DeTomaso, at least at the outset. I felt the same way when I first saw the Bigua in Modena at the European Meeting. It did not strike me as an automobile representative of the spirit of DeTomaso but I did tell the importer to put me on the list for one. It is about loyalty and passion for the marque. If the new owners can rekindle some of that enthusiasm, you might be surprised if there wasn't a few of the new SUV's at a future Concorso in our corral. Somebody has to haul the trophies and Lambrusco to the display area!
We carry around a lot of stuff now wherever we go and we live in the country where we could use a 4WD as well. If cost was not a factor (and it certainly is) we would be interested in the new DT SUV just because it is a DeTomaso. HOWEVER, if there is not a connection, a reaching-out to us old owners and the new DeTomaso is intent on carving out a new market space of Generation X, Y, Z or whatever and to hell with us old farts (sorry George! for using the F-word), this type of disconnect would turn me off to the car altogether. I can definitely see a market for this car within our large group or network of existing DeTomaso owners and enthusiasts. A good friend of mine bought a Bigua which later became the Qvale Mangusta. He told me he couldn't stand the looks but he wanted it because it was a DeTomaso, at least at the outset. I felt the same way when I first saw the Bigua in Modena at the European Meeting. It did not strike me as an automobile representative of the spirit of DeTomaso but I did tell the importer to put me on the list for one. It is about loyalty and passion for the marque. If the new owners can rekindle some of that enthusiasm, you might be surprised if there wasn't a few of the new SUV's at a future Concorso in our corral. Somebody has to haul the trophies and Lambrusco to the display area!
Thank goodness that Tosca rendering is a student concept and not what will actually be the new DeTomaso. Without being too unkind to the designer of it, it evokes NOTHING of the heritage or detail of a DeTomaso, and has not an ounce of freshness to it. Every detail is derivative of something already in production and if the new DeTomaso is to have ANY chance at success, it won't happen with generic blender-designs.
The concept for the Gephardo by Tjellesen at least shows some promise and thought. While it lacks the obviousness of the (in my opinion stunning) Panthera concept by Stefan Shulze, it does re-interpret many well-know DeTomaso details such as the Pantera front bumper (original) lines, the Mangusta gull-wing engine covers and the Campagnolo wheels.
Mark
The concept for the Gephardo by Tjellesen at least shows some promise and thought. While it lacks the obviousness of the (in my opinion stunning) Panthera concept by Stefan Shulze, it does re-interpret many well-know DeTomaso details such as the Pantera front bumper (original) lines, the Mangusta gull-wing engine covers and the Campagnolo wheels.
Mark