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An update on the dyno testing. We're currently testing the unported iron
4V heads. As a quick re-cap, we previously tested the CHI 3V aluminum
heads along with the Pro Comp copies. Fitted with the Scott Cook dual
plane intake, the CHI 3V heads made right at 400 HP and 400 ft-lbs
of torque (420 HP and 420 ft-lbs when corrected for the dyno absorber)
through the mufflers. We had some trace detonation so backed off the
timing a few degrees which dropped the uncorrected HP to 395 (415 HP
corrected). Switching to the single plane CHI 3V intake manifold picked
up 20 HP (436 HP corrected). The stock ANSA Pantera mufflers cost a
whopping 50 HP compared to the 3" inlet/outlet Magnaflows.

For the second round of testing, we replaced the CHI 3V aluminum cylinder
heads from Australia to the Pro Comp knock-offs from China. We tested
the same intakes (Scott Cook dual plane and CHI 3V 4150 pattern single
plane). On the flow bench the Pro Comps were down considerably to the
CHI heads and this was backed up on the dyno. The best pull with the
Pro Comps was 378 HP and 381 lbs-ft of torque (397 HP and 400 ft-lbs
corrected). What worked on the CHI as far as timing (32 degrees) and
carburetor spacer (4 hole 1 inch) also worked the best on the Pro Comp
heads.

For our third round of testing we switched to unported iron 4V closed
chamber heads. Interestingly, the unported iron 4V's made better power
than the Pro Comps. Fitted with a Holley Strip Dominator single plane
and a 1" HVH spacer, the 351C made 397 HP and around 380 ft-lbs (417 HP
and 399 ft-lbs corrected). The Parker Funnelweb was tested next. It
picked up around 10 ft-lbs in the mid-range but was down about 6 HP at
the peak. An Edelbrock Torker was tried next which performed about as
well as the Parker for HP and the Strip Dominator for torque. The Parker
worked best with a 4 hole 1 inch spacer, while the Strip Dominator and
Torker preferred the HVH. The final test for the evening was with the
Torker intake manifold but with the 1 3/4" diameter long tube headers and
Magnaflow mufflers replaced by the OEM 351C-4V cast iron exhaust manifolds
and a short elbow of pipe (no mufflers). The result was 366 horsepower
and 351 ft-lbs of torque (uncorrected), a nearly 30 HP/30 ft-lbs drop!
The engine also sounded rather odd and the increased back pressure upset
the idle quality noticeably. Combine this test with the muffler test,
and it's easy to see you can throw away a bunch of HP on a 351C with a
poor exhaust.

Dave noted the 3.5" stroke 351C with iron closed chamber 4V heads required
more timing than the 4" stroke 408C strokers he's tested with the same type
iron heads.

Rather than mill and drill the unported iron heads for studs and guide
plates, we used the bolt-down roller rockers from Randy Malik at R.M.
Competition. These are fully adjustable aluminum roller rockers
manufactured by Harland Sharp to Randy's specs which are dedicated Ford
351C/351M/400/429/460 rocker dimensions. Randy says they will withstand
spring pressures in excess of 475 pounds open and over 625 pounds open
when using the option Jesel bolts. These rockers are not the old style
flat top Harland Sharp rockers and are shaped more like the Crane Gold
units.

We've got a bunch more intakes to test with the unported iron 4V heads
but I thought it was time for a quick update.

Thanks,
Dan Jones
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Great post Dan, this confirmed my suspicions of the ANSA exhaust costing me a lot of power. Now what I'm interested in hearing is whether there is any power to be had between a 3" and a 2.5" exhaust. I'm looking at headers through one of the vendors with 2" primaries into a 2.5" collector all the way back to the mufflers. But wondering if I should make a 3" work as I initially set out to do. Did you do any testing with and without the HVH spacer on the strip dominator? I have a Roush a351, so the dominator would be the closest match. I'm curious because I just bolted on an HVH spacer, but until I change out a few fuel fittings with the new carb and re-route some vacuum lines I won't be able to do my own testing.
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> How did the muffler testing go?

The popular Pantera mufflers are big corks. Trying to do a few more
tests to understand why. See the results below.

> BTW when do you think you will be finished with the Parker intake?

We'd like to test it on the ported 4V iron heads with port stuffers.
Kirk Evans (the importer of Amerisport Panteras back in the 1980's)
is sending a set of Parker port stuffers. We've go another day of
exhaust testing, a day to finish up the rest of the 4V intakes on
the unported heads and then a quick test with the open chamber 4V
heads (just a back-to-back to illustrate the effect of a compression
change). Then we were going to do the 2V heads since they are ready
and the ported 4V's are not. If you need it back soon, let me know
and I'll see if I can find another to test.

> How is business for you guys right now?

Not too bad but everyone's bracing for a major scale back in
defense spending under the current administration.

Dan

Last Thursday after work, we did some additional Pantera exhaust testing.
Here's a quick summary of the results:

Test 1.
354 HP @ 5550 RPM (372 HP corrected)
350 Ft-Lbs @ 4900 RPM (368 ft-lbs corrected)

Edelbrock Torker single plane intake manifold, HVH carb spacer, 950HP carb,
38 degrees total timing, Euro GTS "tri-y" headers (actually 4-into-1 with
a tri-y collector, 2" OD primaries, 2.25" collector) and Euro-GTS mufflers
(small lunchbox size mufflers with dual resonators per side. Reasonable
numbers to about 5500 rpm where power falls off.

Test 2.
366 HP @ 5600 RPM (384 HP corrected)
359 Ft-Lbs @ 4850 RPM (377 ft-lbs corrected)

Same as Test 1 with Mike Drew's modified GTS mufflers. The GTS muffler
baffles were removed and replaced by a Y-pipe. The pipe was perforated
and muffler body packed with stainless steel packing. Mufflers sounded
better (slightly more whistle to the tone) and peak power was up 12 HP
and peak torque was up 9 ft-lbs. Torque was up around 10 ft-lbs over a
fairly wide RPM range so this was a meaningful modification but still
leaves a lot of power on the table. Interestingly, the Euro GTS headers
plus modified mufflers make around the same power as our previous test
with OEM cast iron 4V manifolds without mufflers.

Test 3.
387 HP @ 5500 RPM (406 HP corrected)
379 Ft-Lbs @ 4800 RPM (398 ft-lbs corrected)

Same as Test 1 but with 3" inlet/outlet Magnaflow mufflers clamped to the
Pantera Euro GTS headers via a 3" diameter by 12" long pipe. Good solid
power gain over baseline and modified exhaust system. Down around 5HP
and 5 ft-lbs to the same set up with long tube headers.

4. Prior Test
392 HP @ 5600 RPM (412 HP corrected)
384 lbs/ft @ 4750 RPM (403 ft-lbs corrected)

Same as Test 3 but with 1 3/4" primary diamter 4V Hooker Competition
Headers (Mustang/Cougar chassis). Torquer intake and HVH spacer, Magnaflow
mufflers, 3" x 12" intermediate pipe.

5. Prior Test
366 HP @ ? RPM
351 Ft-Lbs @ ?RPM

OEM cast iron 4V exhaust manifolds without mufflers (only a short length
of 3" pipe bolted attached to the manifold).

Looking at Mike's modified Euro GTS mufflers, it's not immediately obvious
where the restriction is. One possibility is the resonator tips may be
choking the flow. The ID of the tail pipes is approximately 1.56" for a
cross-sectional area of 1.9 square inches times 2 for a total of 3.8 square
inches. The ID of the intermediate pipe is 2.25" which is a cross-sectional
area of 3.98 square inches. The total outlet area is slightly smaller than
inlet area. A slightly larger outlet than the inlet is desirable but the
difference isn't that great. If someone has an old set of GTS mufflers
(rusty or banged up is fine) to donate, we can do more modifications
(e.g. saw off the resonators) and testing. It may also be the case, the
2 1/4" diameter tubing is incapable of supporting the required exhaust
flow. We're considering having a couple of sizes (2 1/4" and 2 1/2") of
intermediate pipes made that will bolt up to the 3" inlet/outlet Mangnaflow
mufflers. Dave also noted that both he and Kaase made best (average) power
with 3" outlet collectors on their 600 HP Engine Masters Clevelands, so it's
possible 2 1/2" is sufficient for this engine. 2 1/2" is much easier to
route through the Pantera suspension than 3".

As soon as my hand finishes healing, I'll pull my my Hall big bore mufflers
(dual glass packs per side) from my white Pantera and test them. These have
slightly larger outlet area (1.66" diameter per glass pack) but have a smaller
header collector outlet area.

Thanks to Mike Drew for sending his modified Euro GTS mufflers and Paul
Timko for sending his unmodified Euro GTS exhaust (headers and mufflers)
and a set of Hall headers (to mate up to my Hall Big Bore exhaust). We
also still need to trial fit Larry's 180 degree headers to see if they
will clear the dyno and test the exhaust port stuffers. I may also pull
the swap headers from my '66 Mustang. Those headers have a very sharp
bend at the port exit which can't do anything good for flow.

Dan Jones
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