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I saw this from the newslettrer and I gott say I agree with the general concensus. These guys are idiots. Why do I care? Well because it is guys like this that makes it bad for the rest of us. One of these days they will outlaw our cars because of dtiwads like these running around loose. If I ever catch anyone doing crap like this I will personally beat the living... er I better not say here on the board, but it will not be pretty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICLw_Y-WuuI
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I'm certainly not the one to tell anyone how to drive, what to do and what not to do.
It would seem to me that if one wants to post public evidence of a whole bunch of fairly serious traffic violations that the license plate shouldn't be readable.
Then again, all things considered, I don't think that there is a lot of higher intelligence being indicated here, but that's just my opinion and who cares about that?
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Originally posted by Husker:
Detroit Detomaso, What exactly did you love about it?


Seeing my old back yard (Highway 96 & 94 through Detroit & Dearborn). Seeing a GT & Z06 blowing past two Lamborghini's (Murcielago & Gallardo Spider). Seeing GT's, Corvette's and Vipers doing this with Manufacture Plates on them in Detroit is not all that uncommon.
Obviously a talented driver.
They don't deserve a speeding ticket.
What they deserve is to have their vehicles impounded and their licenses revoked for LIFE.
I have a friend paralyzed as a result of so called "street racing". She didn't know she was on a race track, she didn't know to expect to have a vehicle in the fast lane approaching at an estimated 150 mph, she didn't know that she shouldn't be making a legal lane change. The other "driver" didn't know she over corrected and rolled her vehicle because they were long gone by then. I'm sure, if asked, the other "driver" would blame her inability to drive.
That's what race tracks are for. The driver's have proven abilities and know what to expect from the other drivers and vehicles. They know how to handle the unexpected and have the vehicle to prevent serious injuries in almost all cases.
Not that it matters, but I find it disappointing that anyone on this forum would condone this action.
"With great power comes great responsibility"
Same here Chris.
You bet, bet sure to call when you are coming out this way. I'll take you over and introduce you to LaBlond, the Lamborghini specialist I told you about while your here.

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Coz it was good to meet you in Vegas. I will be in Phoenix in the spring and maybe we can go for a spin.
I have to agree Husker. Even though I have driven pretty fast through traffic, it was much a lot lighter than in the video.

It's not so much the fast driving that's dangerious, it's the not knowing what others around you and you are approaching are going to do.

But it was fun to watch.

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Originally posted by Husker:
Obviously a talented driver.
They don't deserve a speeding ticket.
What they deserve is to have their vehicles impounded and their licenses revoked for LIFE.
I have a friend paralyzed as a result of so called "street racing". She didn't know she was on a race track, she didn't know to expect to have a vehicle in the fast lane approaching at an estimated 150 mph, she didn't know that she shouldn't be making a legal lane change. The other "driver" didn't know she over corrected and rolled her vehicle because they were long gone by then. I'm sure, if asked, the other "driver" would blame her inability to drive.
That's what race tracks are for. The driver's have proven abilities and know what to expect from the other drivers and vehicles. They know how to handle the unexpected and have the vehicle to prevent serious injuries in almost all cases.
Not that it matters, but I find it disappointing that anyone on this forum would condone this action.
"With great power comes great responsibility"
I am certainly not a stick in the mud.
I just don't agree that it's ok to weave in traffic at 100mph plus.
If those cars have MFG plates on them, to me that is even a worse cituation then first realized. Management will not take kindly to this.
If anyone wants to confess here, or brag that is thier own business.
The traffic laws exist to protect the innocent public from those who consider themselves above the law.
If one chooses to ignore the law, let the cards fall where they may.
Highway Patrol does not take kindly to high speed pusuit. It is a risk to life and limb, including thier own.
I would predict that an apprehended driver from a cituation as this will show physical signs of resisting arrest.
Certainly what I just saw is really bad judgement.
I personally resent the reflection that these cases cast on me as a high performance vehicle owner.
I prefer to leave my racing on the track where it belongs.
George, if I only lived closer I'd have been the first to sign up. As it is now, I get all my track time at Heartland Park Topeka (www.HPT.com) which is a world class facility about 20 minutes from home. Just wish we had more P-cars here in Kansas that could go out & play with me! I envy all of you on the East & West coasts who have a large number of cars within a close proximity - How COOL!

Bob
Don't yell at me. But.

I agree with all of the safety issues raised here and can confirm that racing on track tends to slow you down a lot on the street. Which is a good thing.

But as compared to many such "action" videos - like the famous phoney early morning in Paris Ferarri film - some things were quite different here.

I never saw brake lights from those being passed, nor did I see any sudden movements whatsoever from anyone. No one panicked. No one was forced into avoidance or into making any mistakes.

Maybe it's just Motown drivers are a little more relaxed with speed differential, but what I saw looked like controlled, disciplined manouvering thru traffic (something we have all done at one time or another).

Regardless how dangerous it might have been, from what I saw I think the driver of the GT40 always had a plan B. Luckily he didn't have to use it. Or maybe they edited those parts out.
I'm with Deeb on this one. In the hands of an alert, sober driver, the Ford GT and the Vette are safer at 230 km/h than a P.O.S. driven at the speed limit by a bored incompetent fishing for a cassette on the floor. The latter is perfectly legal while the former is criminalized. Does this make sense? No. Clearly, just because something is a law does not automatically make it right.

Unfortunately, our traffic laws are geared for the lowest common denominator in our society. They are geared for Granny in her beater ’72 Vega to make sure she does not crash while putting on her makeup on the Interstate. The rest of us are forced to trundle along at that same speed regardless of the better condition of our vehicles, reflexes, skill or attentiveness.

Not everyone has access to a race track, nor do I think that fast driving should be restricted to race tracks. The answer is in better drivers and better highways. Effective driver training and improved highways would do much more to reduce road fatalities than any amount of prescriptive, punitive laws aimed at the lowest common denominator at the cost of the enjoyment of our cars and efficient travel by everyone else.

Like Deeb, I'm from Canada. In my area, there are many months at a time during the year when there are effectively no speed limits and drivers are forced to use their own judgment. When the road is a sheet of ice, driving the speed limit will put you in the ditch or into oncoming traffic. Instead of the automatic carnage that the "speed kills!" Safety Nazi Naderites would predict, drivers are forced to actually pay attention, assess the conditions, and drive accordingly.

I need not remind folks that when Montana eliminated speed limits, the highway fatality rate actually dropped.

Also, if I recall correctly, our speed limits have not increased in something like 50 years, despite all of the incredible advances in automotive technology that have transpired during that period.

With all possible respect, Husker, and I feel badly for your friend, but I don’t think it is legal to change lanes without first checking to make sure there are no other cars in that lane (in Canada, I believe you would be charged with an “unsafe lane change”). As I am sure you know, in Germany it is routine to have vehicles traveling more than 150 mph in the fast lane, and this is not considered a problem because before changing lanes people check their mirrors first – as they should here in North America.

In my personal experience, I recall an incident some years ago wherein I was passing a string of cars (at a speed much less that 150 mph), and someone pulled out right in front of me. Even though the speed differential was much lower than in the incident with Husker’s friend, it was still everything I could do to avoid rear-ending them. This was a situation which could have been easily avoided if they had just had the basic competence to check their rearview mirror before pulling out to pass.

Husker, as you yourself stated, not only did your friend fail to check that the fast lane was clear before moving into it, but when she realized her mistake she then over-corrected and caused her vehicle to roll. I take your point that if everyone drove the speed limit, including in the fast lane, then her accident may not have happened. However, the reductio ad absurdum of that logic is that all accidents could be prevented if we were all required to stop driving and stay home. Life requires calculated risk and, in my admittedly subjective view, I would rather see drivers forced to pass mandatory training and testing of a sufficient standard to prevent the errors made by your friend than to restrict our freedom to enjoy efficient or spirited driving.

However, I should qualify my comments by noting that weaving in and out of lanes, passing on the right, failing to signal and a number of other imprudent and reckless things done by the Ford GT driver in the video were not something I support. I agree that this kind of behaviour spoils things for the rest of us who may want to drive quickly without endangering others. In Canada, thanks to a few morons who managed to kill bystanders while racing their rice rockets in densely populated urban areas, street racers are now demonized in the press and this has resulted in some new and Draconian laws. Now if I want to pick up the pace with the Pantera on some deserted highway where I endanger no one, I’m subject to the same penalties which include criminal charges, loss of driving privileges and confiscation of my car. Again, the nanny state Safety Nazis win and we have yet more laws geared to the lowest common denominator.

- Peter
Peter, Point taken. When she looked in her rear view to check for traffic, as I stated, she was making a legal lane change, the car was a mere dot. Why would, or better yet, should she, expect the vehicle to be closing at 150 mph?
I agree that the competancy of drivers in general has deteriorated. Not to mention the ever increasing number of distractions. As the technology has improved the importance of the driver's abilities has diminished.
You won't see the accidents or near accidents on camera. How often do you see it pointing in the direction where they've been?
I agree that on an open highway the rules should be different. If you want to take the risks it's your business. Sure a speeding ticket is warranted, along with an increase in insurance, but the consequences of recklessness involving innocent bystanders should be more severe.
IMHO
Lots of good points made through this discussion.

I've been on both sides of this one, as I'm sure many of us have. I once made a very safe (I thought) and perfectly legal U-turn on a city street after checking my views carefully and was t-boned by a guy on a Harley that timed his full-speed (50 in a 30 zone) rip through an intersection to coincide exactly with the changing of the light. He left an 80 foot skid mark as he slid across two lanes of traffic and hit me. Who got charged? Me and I definitely was paying attention and saw no potential danger before turning.

That said, from what I understand of most European driving exams, most North Americans (yes, including Canadians) would not pass a Euro driving test. I’d be happy to have the opportunity to test for an “S” class license entitling me to use the “fast” lane, but it seems that the lowest common denominator factor is, unfortunately, one of the underlying core values of North America.
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