Get out your marsh mellows

I believe there was also a pantera caught in the blaze

What a shame! I need to go wipe the tears from my eyes now.

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Originally posted by garth66:
What a shame! I need to go wipe the tears from my eyes now.

I agree, of all the classic cars, the Mangusta is one of the most beautiful. I have tried several times to buy one but have been unsuccessful with each attempt.
Probably for the better as I told my wife, if I ever manage to get one, it will be parked in the living room.

Quickitty, were you able to find the serial number for the records? It will say something like "8MA0570" and is stamped in the sloping square-tube frame brace, right side just above the fuel tank. Not very obvious and the area is often covered with paint & undercoating although its now just ashes & char. A wire brush might be needed. What a shame.

Hi Bosswrench

A car dealer that I bought my E-type from sent me these pics. That was several years ago.
I told him that I was looking for a Mangusta project, this is what he came up with. I should have gotten the vin, did not think of it at the time and did not follow up.

Roland in Germany brought one back from the dead that was in worse condition than that!

Here's video of the result a twin turbo 351C monster. It was just a cabin and he rebuilt it solely from photos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGAodCIeow8

Julian

Was this car from CA? I know we lost a Goose in the Oakland Hills fires a while back..... Owner is/was a Mustang shop owner and when his house went up....so did the Goose. He said that everything melted......so this car could be it..... Certainly resembles the description!

Never did get the chassis number, as owner couldn't recall...and I presume lost all records too!

Steve

Yikes! If anyone had any factory sheet metal it would probably Roland? I would venture to say that even Johnny Woods MIGHT be hesitant about this one? Sad to look at it that way but there is always hope?

There was one that Detomaso & Deloreans posted information about in NYC (Queens) a few years ago. It wasn't nearly as total as this one. Basically it was an engine carb fire.

Looked like the insurance company had it and was auctioning it off?

It was definitely repairable. Wonder what happened to that car?

As for sheet metal, during the '96 Factory Tour, some of us got into an 'off-limits' warehouse across the drive from the old assembly plant, and I saw at least a dozen NOS Mangusta front and rear clips stacked on end, along with a couple of crates of suspension parts. Then the 'production manager' chased us out. Hard to believe that Santiago hasn't got this stuff salted away somewhere in Modena, even though it was 18 yrs ago. After all, how big IS the market for such things?

Not so much, how big is the market, more, how high is the market.

What's all new sheet metal for a 'goose going to run? The sources are small...or one?

I was with Santiago in the summer of 2012, and the front clips are still well. They made the trip from the factory to the storage space. I can also say that the clips from the pantera si were there.

We

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Originally posted by Bosswrench:
As for sheet metal, during the '96 Factory Tour, some of us got into an 'off-limits' warehouse across the drive from the old assembly plant, and I saw at least a dozen NOS Mangusta front and rear clips stacked on end, along with a couple of crates of suspension parts. Then the 'production manager' chased us out. Hard to believe that Santiago hasn't got this stuff salted away somewhere in Modena, even though it was 18 yrs ago. After all, how big IS the market for such things?

OK, but will he sell any of the parts?

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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
Yikes! If anyone had any factory sheet metal it would probably Roland? I would venture to say that even Johnny Woods MIGHT be hesitant about this one? Sad to look at it that way but there is always hope?

There was one that Detomaso & Deloreans posted information about in NYC (Queens) a few years ago. It wasn't nearly as total as this one. Basically it was an engine carb fire.

Looked like the insurance company had it and was auctioning it off?

It was definitely repairable. Wonder what happened to that car?

The one I had seen was originally a dark shade of blue and nowhere near this bad, although it was very far gone itself.

Do you have any idea what happened to that car?

Yes, the guy selling it was actually paid to tow it off someones property believe it or not!!!! It really looked like an insurance job to me to be honest. The fire started from the engine forward, ZF was intact however. I offered the guy $5K and he agreed to sell it to me pending the $10,000 offer he received from CA didn't pan out. It did and the buyer intended turning it into a race car, or so that is what he had told the seller. I saw that car on ebay a short time later listed in CA. Someone took a bath on that one.

Those kind of photos make me sick...... Looks like the car is ruined -- at least with current Mangusta valuations.

Hopefully there is a dreamer out there that doesn't care about the cost to bring her back to life.

Mark

Hey, you all remember Mad Dog's Phoenix after it melted down at the finish line of Silver State???? It's back in great form!

This car would be a GREAT car to start with....and after picking up something like the Orange car that was in upstate NY(??) working to re-iron-ize the forest floor....you could potentially have a very nice car with a large amount of effort....

If any of the unique hub carriers/brake calipers survived, the balance of the car could be patched back together easily, as the Goose was a Heinz 57 car anyway!!!

I'm sure Santiago could dig up unique parts if one was willing to pay......but I'd guess that if you put in $60-70K or so, you'd have a beautiful car when done....that was worth.....$150-250K????? ....as long as you could get it to the UK auctions!!!!

I would love to hear more about just what is left of the under carriage....see some more pic's.

I'd consider buying it, but it all depends on what the rest of the story is....does it come with the ZF? Engine block?...... how messed up is it from being fork lifted around???

If a man built it.....another can rebuild it. Just ask any e-type Jag owner!

Steve

Since we're talking about wrecks, does anyone remember the Mangusta that rolled due to a tire blowing out at high speed during an early Nevada open road race? At the time, 'gooses were $20K in running condition. That one wound up at Mike Cook's place for years getting the roof jacked back out and major dents removed when the shop had time. Then Dale Ericssen bought it and had someone convert the chassis for Pantera a-arms & suspension to become a racer. By then, the engine, ZF, running gear and all the trim & interior had disappeared. Fast fwd another decade and the shell got sold again. To where? And in what condition today? Serial #?

Jack, That Mangusta was 8MA1212, at the time owned & driven by Jim Van Gusten of Oshawa, Ontario,Canada. The crash was not a highspeed. Driver had tire issues and was just trying to get the next tireshop. The race was Cannonball 1999.

a bit of the backstory on 8MA1212, I can't find the page from the actual story of the day of the crash.

http://www.goolsbee.org/cannonball/NYCtoScranton.html

http://www.goolsbee.org/cannon...rantonToDetroit.html

http://www.goolsbee.org/cannonball/images/mangusta

The car, well today everyone knows it as Lilo Zicron's blue beast racer

Wow that last link was sickening. Was a beautiful car.

I think with todays values that burnt out goose at 10K is still well and truely worth saving. And because of the condition you wouldn't feel bad about making crazy modifications.