GP4 window details

Ron this is what I found in my archives which I have been usind as a guide.

Ron

Awesome picture!!! Thanks!
I was actually looking for some up close detail pics of the mounting brackets/chanel.

Ron

Go here ... theres another interior photo. Check out the mirrors and the wheels ...would love to know the brand of the wheels ... thinking of painting my NEW GR4 wheels black ..

www.carclassic.com/DeTomaso_Pantera_Group_EJ98.html

I'm pretty sure that Cory Gehling has them. Or he would defintely make them up for you.

Does anyone know what the pop-off release cap on the passenger side is for? Does that plumb to the expansion tank?

The captions suggest that is for a right side fuel tank? Wonder where they put it?

The lightening holes to me are definitely stamped into the steel panels, not drilled. It may be private but that is a real Group 4 car.

Anyone know how the front calipers are modified to fit the 1.25" thick rotors? I've seen these before and it looks like the caliper was spaced with a billet piece of c channel aluminum?

I'd like to see what the rear brakes look like on the Group 4 cars. I've never seen them?

Thanks for the link Ron. Great find. This car I wouldn't mind owning at all.

...oops! there is a rear brake picture. I just didn't recognize it?

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Does anyone know what the pop-off release cap on the passenger side is for?

Doug,

That is for a second fuel tank. This car has twin fuel tanks...80 liters on the right tank, and 40 liters on the left tank.

Somewhere there is a pic of the DeTomaso assembly line with a right side fuel tank (Pantera). I'll see if I can find it, or maybe someone else has it.

John

Interesting car.

I'm trying to find the pics but I saw 2 Gp4's at one of the SAAC conventions.

George Stauffer had them both. I seem to remember they both had stainless 180 headers on them. I'm thinking the tubes were 2". Not like these headers which look like 1-3/4".

This is an early car. To call it a '71 is fair.
I think it is a little early to have braided hose on it?

I do see the right side fuel tank in the engine shot. It is strangely shaped. I'm not surprized I entirely missed it the first look?

I've seen things like that before though on "restore, all original" cars. LOL.

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This is an early car. To call it a '71 is fair.
I think it is a little early to have braided hose on it?

Actually, it isn't. My '71 (1490) had braided hoses...fuel tank to fuel pump, and fuel tank vent to carbon canister. But, there weren't any anodized AN fittings...just hose clamps.

John

Weren't those the black ones? My car had those. That's hardly the same thing as the plumbing on this car.
I think the seller has taken license with the term "original".

They were stainless steel braid over (black) rubber hose. I still have the original hoses. If you want a pic, I can dig them out tomorrow.

John

No need. I know what you are referring too. My car had them too. Thanks for the offer though.

Sorry to spoil the fun guys but that bleu/black Pantera is notan original race car if my information is correct.

It's a beautifull replica and maybe the windows are correct but is was originally a street car.

Really? Not arguing here, but those panels have stamped lightening holes in them. They aren't cut in with a circle saw.

I've only seen the factory built race cars with them.

Geez, buy 'em books and send 'em to school.....

End of the first paragraph of the link that was posted above:

"...It is the only non factory Pantera group 4 we have ever seen with this lightweight chassis."

John

Sounds like a "privateer" G4 to me?

Possible, but you never know what people are willing to do to get as close as possible to the original.

I bought an Alfa Romeo GTam replica 15 years ago and the guy that build it took the time to put pop rivets on the seamon between the roof and vertical part of the car on both sides. Must have taken him a few days to do the job. Almost everybody thought it was a real GTam but it wasn't.

I will agree with you in a sense. I would explain it this way.
A Group 4 car cannot be created now. It had to have been built as one by Detomaso.
As such, if I was a buyer, you as a seller better be able to document that this is a factory car, or get lost.
In many cases the seller simply can't and therefore can't justify the asking price of the car. It becomes just a fantasy car and is only worth what you can get for it the day you go to sell it. If that's $10, then that's what it was worth.

I want to do the same thing and have lots of detail pictures.

Real gp4

It sounds to me reading into the quoted paragraph that this car has a factory chasis ..maybe not purchased new but certainly supplied at some point from the factory ... as Doug said i dont think this is possible to replicate the way the holes a punched in the panels ... it had to be done at the factory and sold as a lightweight chassis and a privateer assembled on their own.[b]Superb De Tomaso Pantera group 4. This car has a very interesting history, sold new by the french importer Franco Britannic, in 1971. The current owner bought the car in 1979 from the Sedax (which replaced the Franco Britannic). The car was already prepared in group 4 specifications with many period factory group 4 parts (today unavailable) as the aluminium bonnets and doors, the special front and rear lower arms, the special hubs, bearings and half shatfs, front and rear sway bars mounted on balls, the special crank gear, the twin fuel tanks (80 liters on the right side, 40 liters on the left side), ... But the most stunning feature on this car is that it is equipped with the lightweight drilled chassis, a unique feature seen on the factory group 4 (only 14 units built) with holes drilled in the chassis, on the gearbox center console, behind the seats .... It is the only non factory Pantera group 4 we have ever seen with this lightweight chassis. Unfortunately we don't have any documented history prior 1979, but it is quite obvious that if this car had been professionnaly upgraded to an expensive group 4 specification, it was to race it. "

The entire DT comp program is just weird to me? Out of the 37 65 Shelby GT350 race cars, only 2 were factory raced.

The others were sold to private individuals.

First off, they were designated as Competition models in their serial number.

Second. they were in business to sell cars. Making them all "factory only" would have kind of killed the point?

It makes no sense to me that DT would not sell the "factory competition" model, the Group 4 car, to private individuals as well? I presume there was no reason to indicate comp model in his serial number designation? I don't understand why?

I am very sure that the most difficult feature to duplicate is the lightweight Pantera chassis. Virtually everything else could be purchased or fabricated separately?

I don't understand why just the skins of the doors, and trunk lids are aluminum? Why isn't the door frame, the hood,trunk support spider, and hinge assemblies also?