MME Clevor engines

ONLY 650 horsepower?

lol.......

(that's 93 bhp per liter! Apparently the 3V head is a good one)

the link below takes you straight to the info on the Clevor motors, instead of having to fumble around looking for it like I did:

http://www.mmeracing.com/mmeracing/PressReleaseDetails.aspx?prid=12

take care Mark

That is the runt of the bunch

I'd like to put a plug in for Mark at MME Racing. Over the winter he just specced out the top end for my engine for my Weber setup and was very helpful with many phone calls from him and his wife Heather. They are both very helpful and knowledgeable about ford engines. Although I still hav'nt put my engine back together (soon) they have followed up and promise to help with any problems. (I am on the west coast of Canada and they are back east in the U.S.) Everything was well packaged and sent to me very fast.


Once again Mark, Thanks.
Steve

Thanks Steve, let me know if we can help you farther!

Mark, So I am getting the runt of the litter? LOL!

The runts are very cute.

Hey Mark,

How much torque does the runt produce, and at what rpm does peak torque & peak bhp occur?

George

George , In a day a so I'll post a dyno sheet. with all of the info.

Mark while we wait for that dyno info, I'll explain why the focus on the "runt". Its because of the 9.2" deck height.

Pantera headers for Cleveland heads are ALL designed around a block with 9.2" decks. If an owner were to try and use them on a 9.5" deck block, I would expect there to be interference problems.

take care,

George

Our intent with the 9.2 deck version was to provide a very strong and reliable engine that fits in the same engine envelope as the original engine.

That was my logic in going with the 9.2 block for my new motor. I had been waiting for nearly two years for Bill Mitchell to produce an aluminum version of the Roush designed block--when I found out he was only doing a 9.5 version, I went ahead and got the Dart in 9.2. IMHO the Mitchell block looks to be a superior design however, and since I committed for the first one off the line (now on the show circuit), I may have an excuse to start another Ford project. I am certainly interested in speaking with Mark regarding machining and assembly of my Pantera aluminum Clevor. I am still collecting parts and won't be ready for a while. Dave Ferrato

We have alot of experience with bith the Dart and World blocks. We have put over 2500 hp through both blocks. Both pieces have their unique features amd purposes for differences in design. Definately give us a call, I think we can save you not only time, but money. Our crate engine deal is a very good value in dollars per hp. Their will be other crate engines using the CHI head coming later. They have been calling us to find out what parts to use from our engine masters engine. The engine we used in the competition is one of our crate engines. We had no 302 mains or Honda rod journals like our competitors. All of our power was made else where in the engine. Upon tear down this was revealed to be true and now the combination is being sought after to try and mass produce it outside of our shop.

Thanks Mark, we much appreciate your participation in the forum. I am actually wanting a good running street engine, and am committed to some parts that are not going to produce the most power anyway. My Dart block is overkill but I wanted aluminum. Bore is 4.125, stroke 3.85. Trying to keep about 10.00 to 1. I have the new Edelbrock 351c heads and am using Hall's big bore headers, both of which are not going to allow huge numbers. I'll be happy with 450 hp. I am leaning toward Hilborn's EFI with the Carabine ECU. Wondering if you guys have experience with that particular injection system. Thanks Again,
Dave Ferrato

George, here is one of the pulls from our 427 crate engine.



A5847 CRATE.CFG CLEWIS.FRC Jan 18, 07 9:21 PM
DEPAC # 54 Wed Oct 18 '06 7:09 PM F350 Flow Tst# 5847 3900 to 7200 RPM
CRATE.CFG IF: 69 Ratio 1.08 29.92" Dry Air @ 60F SG .716 Time 6.3
BARO Disp Bore A tmp jet
29.92 427 4.13 0 60.6 84/82

RPM C TORQ C PWR WAT T FUEL P OIL P
BAND Ft-Lbs CHP Deg F psi PSI
3882 470.6 347.8 120.0 7.15 67.9
4000 481.5 366.7 120.5 7.35 67.5
4100 490.5 382.9 120.5 7.35 67.5
4200 500.5 400.3 120.0 7.35 67.5
4300 503.9 412.6 120.0 7.35 67.5
4400 513.4 430.1 120.5 7.35 67.5
4500 528.5 452.8 120.5 7.35 68.3
4600 542.4 475.1 120.5 7.15 68.3
4700 553.2 495.1 120.5 7.15 68.9
4800 558.9 510.9 120.5 7.15 68.9
4900 562.2 524.6 120.5 7.15 69.4
5000 561.7 534.8 120.5 7.15 69.4
5100 558.3 542.1 120.5 7.15 69.7
5200 561.5 555.9 120.5 7.15 69.9
5300 567.4 572.6 120.5 7.15 69.7
5400 571.7 587.9 121.0 7.15 69.4
5500 576.8 604.1 121.0 7.15 69.1
5600 579.1 617.5 121.0 7.15 69.1
5700 577.9 627.2 121.0 6.96 69.1
5800 569.8 629.1 121.0 6.96 68.9
5900 569.8 640.0 121.0 6.96 68.1
6000 562.2 642.3 121.0 6.96 67.3
6100 556.8 646.8 121.0 6.96 67.3
6200 558.3 659.1 121.0 6.96 65.4
6300 555.5 666.4 121.0 6.96 64.2
6400 551.9 672.5 121.0 6.96 62.3
6500 545.3 674.9 122.0 6.76 60.3
6600 537.8 675.9 122.0 6.96 57.7
6700 530.9 677.3 122.0 6.96 56.1
6800 529.7 685.8 122.0 6.96 55.3
6900 524.7 689.3 122.5 6.96 54.8
7000 521.9 695.6 122.5 6.76 55.0
7100 514.7 695.8 123.0 6.76 56.0
7151 508.5 692.4 123.0 6.76 56.5

Mark,

695 bhp at 7000 rpm is very good stuff. I'm assuming this motor is running a solid roller lifter? Why should anybody build his own race motor, when this is just a phone call away?

If we stuffed a hydraulic roller cam in this motor, moved the powerband down 1000 rpm (peak bhp at 6000 rpm) can we hit 595 bhp?

And while I have your attention, do you think John at CHI would re-drill the intake bosses on a set of his heads that would allow us to fit a Trick Flow 351W R efi manifold on that combination (9.2 Windsor block, chi 3V heads).

What I'm thinking about is a 600 bhp street package, aluminum block & heads, and EFI using a Trick Flow 351W R lower & their box upper.

"THE" Pantera motor for the 21st Century.

I really appreciate your presence here. Thank you my friend.

George

Yes, I can definately get 600 hp on that style set-up. I'm sure I can get John to do a run of heads drilled that way. We also do a 9.2 deck version with the CHI manifold with injection and a 4V throttle body. The solid roller engine we do is meant for street usage. We use a high endurance roller lifter and requires no more maintainance than the hydraulic. The power range of course can be brought down on this as well. Thanks for the positive place to talk about what we all love.

This is in NO way a put down, since you get what you pay for and Mark is known for quality motors.

But I would imagine you'd have to take a 2nd morgage on your house for such a set up.

As for price, Check out our website. Dollar per hp its actually very cheap to most other improvementa I see for Panteras.