Not sure if you have seen this at all before and I did not see anyone posting this link up yet.
https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/...ntera-070000778.html
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Also some high res photos here
http://www.seriouswheels.com/c...-Stefan-Schulze.html
...and at Stefan's site. Mouse over the DeTomaso Pantera button and select gallery.
http://www.firstsignal.de/de-t...antera-concept-2015/
Best,
K
http://www.seriouswheels.com/c...-Stefan-Schulze.html
...and at Stefan's site. Mouse over the DeTomaso Pantera button and select gallery.
http://www.firstsignal.de/de-t...antera-concept-2015/
Best,
K
Looks like a Lamborghini from the sides and rear. So much so that I wonder if there would be a lawsuit.
And the nose is, well, to put it nicely, I wouldn't buy the car just because of the front end...
And the nose is, well, to put it nicely, I wouldn't buy the car just because of the front end...
I agree; it looks A LOT like the new Lamborghini Huracan. The funny thing about that is, when photos of the Huracan were first released, people on the Lamborghini forums were saying the shape reminded them of the Pantera!
And to be fair, I think the Lamborghini has always been the closest looking car to the Pantera... So it makes sense they would look similar but this one is just a bit to much like the Huracan...
It's impossible to know the thought process behind the new owners thinking. IF they were smart, they should seriously consider continuing the car line and building it in Italy.
The name is already a recognizable marque. It is already established as an independent thinker and a rebel within a group of rebels.
There is quite a potential there if managed right.
Just because the owner happens to now be in China, doesn't mean the car will be too.
The renderings of the new "Pantera" aren't out of line at all. If you can stay away from say a Lamborghini type of over the line ridiculousness it might have a chance. The current owners of Lamborghini have forgotten why the car exists at all in my view.
My hope is that the new owners will recognize the attraction of the Pantera and the still existing inherent Italian rebelliousness against authority that fostered it as a new opportunity at an entirely new generation of independent thinkers and feed into the anti-Ferrari, anti-Lamborghini, ant-Ford GT "privileged establishment thinking" and state, "you have no dominion over me"?
The Pantera in effect is an exotic from the working class, not from the "privileged elite", that is built purposely to rub the noses of the privileged in the exhaust fumes of the working class artisans that built it.
Lamborghini and Ford both have forgotten that part of the equation. Ferrari always thought of himself as THE elitist, his cars were only for other "elitists" like himself and the company still is carrying out that tradition...worse than ever.
Lamborghini has forgotten that is why they exist.
Perhaps Pantera could remember?
There are those that still envy that thought even if it is just in private these days?
I can still remember Ferrari's words at loosing to Ford at LeManns in '66..."beaten by a car with an engine from an irrigation pump!". I wonder sometimes if Detomaso heard that?
The name is already a recognizable marque. It is already established as an independent thinker and a rebel within a group of rebels.
There is quite a potential there if managed right.
Just because the owner happens to now be in China, doesn't mean the car will be too.
The renderings of the new "Pantera" aren't out of line at all. If you can stay away from say a Lamborghini type of over the line ridiculousness it might have a chance. The current owners of Lamborghini have forgotten why the car exists at all in my view.
My hope is that the new owners will recognize the attraction of the Pantera and the still existing inherent Italian rebelliousness against authority that fostered it as a new opportunity at an entirely new generation of independent thinkers and feed into the anti-Ferrari, anti-Lamborghini, ant-Ford GT "privileged establishment thinking" and state, "you have no dominion over me"?
The Pantera in effect is an exotic from the working class, not from the "privileged elite", that is built purposely to rub the noses of the privileged in the exhaust fumes of the working class artisans that built it.
Lamborghini and Ford both have forgotten that part of the equation. Ferrari always thought of himself as THE elitist, his cars were only for other "elitists" like himself and the company still is carrying out that tradition...worse than ever.
Lamborghini has forgotten that is why they exist.
Perhaps Pantera could remember?
There are those that still envy that thought even if it is just in private these days?
I can still remember Ferrari's words at loosing to Ford at LeManns in '66..."beaten by a car with an engine from an irrigation pump!". I wonder sometimes if Detomaso heard that?
I couldn't disagree with you more regarding the new Lamborghini's. I recently had the opportunity to see the new Aventador and the Huracan up close and personal. I would buy either car in a heartbeat. Absolutely beautiful cars.
quote:Originally posted by ZR1 Pantera:
I couldn't disagree with you more regarding the new Lamborghini's. I recently had the opportunity to see the new Aventador and the Huracan up close and personal. I would buy either car in a heartbeat. Absolutely beautiful cars.
Ok. Give me a hint about what we are disagreeing about?
All I said was Lamborghini has forgotten about it's roots and become an elitist manufacturer.
They have forgotten why they even came into existence. That old man Ferrari refused to sell him a car because he built farm tractors and that was not acceptable to Ferrari.
Call them absolutely anything that you would like. If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, if it swims like a duck...it's a duck.
How many cops, firemen, teachers, secretaries, carpenters, plumbers are going to buy one? Seems to me only the "elite" of society can afford one qualifying that as an "elitist" car?
The entire premise of the Pantera as conceived by Ford was that those people could at 1/2 the price of a real Italian "sports car". At under $10,000, even a secretary could afford one.
The entire premise of Fords racing was to make Ferrari eat their exhaust fumes. The fumes of obviously a pion's industrial irrigation engine.
Detomaso wanted that too. He just didn't have the deep pockets that Ford did BUT that was the concept.
ANYONE can turn the Pantera into a multi-million dollar vehicle. Sell a couple of dozen and be financially successful BUT THAT IS NOT THE CARS ROOTS.
The Aventador is a little too pretentious for me. I'm more of a Diablo or a Miura SV guy. I don't even think they are gorgeous cars anymore. Too much interbreeding. They are just strange now? At $595,000, I'll find something just a little more conservative?
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Originally posted by ZR1 Pantera:
I couldn't disagree with you more regarding the new Lamborghini's. I recently had the opportunity to see the new Aventador and the Huracan up close and personal. I would buy either car in a heartbeat. Absolutely beautiful cars.
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quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
It's impossible to know the thought process behind the new owners thinking. IF they were smart, they should seriously consider continuing the car line and building it in Italy.
The name is already a recognizable marque. It is already established as an independent thinker and a rebel within a group of rebels.
There is quite a potential there if managed right.
Just because the owner happens to now be in China, doesn't mean the car will be too.
The renderings of the new "Pantera" aren't out of line at all. If you can stay away from say a Lamborghini type of over the line ridiculousness it might have a chance. The current owners of Lamborghini have forgotten why the car exists at all in my view.
My hope is that the new owners will recognize the attraction of the Pantera and the still existing inherent Italian rebelliousness against authority that fostered it as a new opportunity at an entirely new generation of independent thinkers and feed into the anti-Ferrari, anti-Lamborghini, ant-Ford GT "privileged establishment thinking" and state, "you have no dominion over me"?
The Pantera in effect is an exotic from the working class, not from the "privileged elite", that is built purposely to rub the noses of the privileged in the exhaust fumes of the working class artisans that built it.
Lamborghini and Ford both have forgotten that part of the equation. Ferrari always thought of himself as THE elitist, his cars were only for other "elitists" like himself and the company still is carrying out that tradition...worse than ever.
Lamborghini has forgotten that is why they exist.
Perhaps Pantera could remember?
There are those that still envy that thought even if it is just in private these days?
I can still remember Ferrari's words at loosing to Ford at LeManns in '66..."beaten by a car with an engine from an irrigation pump!". I wonder sometimes if Detomaso heard that?
Love that reply, wonderfull!!!!
But then I didn't vote conservative!
quote:And the nose is, well, to put it nicely, I wouldn't buy the car just because of the front end
The nose looks like it was inspired by the late model Maserati nose, and slapped onto a Lambo. Doesn't work. His last "modern" Pantera rendering in 2007, the Panthera,was MUCH better.
http://www.seriouswheels.com/c...y-Stefan-Schulze.htm
Second you on the Panthera.
And some more Pantera concepts/renderings...
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And the nose is, well, to put it nicely, I wouldn't buy the car just because of the front end
The nose looks like it was inspired by the late model Maserati nose, and slapped onto a Lambo. Doesn't work. His last "modern" Pantera rendering in 2007, the Panthera,was MUCH better.
Yes, that is much better and no mistaking, it is a Pantera!
The Chinese are smart. They are looking to build a knowledge base in their country and create jobs for their citizens, not the Italians and enhance their export economy. They got the brand for peanuts. While I would prefer they built the car in Italy, that doesn't meet their goals. Everyone used to laugh at Japanese quality as well. If you don't build the capabilities within your country, you won't advance.
I like the Pantera Concepts MUCH better than the current Lambos.
Lamborghini lost me after the Di ablo.
Lamborghini lost me after the Di ablo.
quote:Originally posted by Peter Fenlon:quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
It's impossible to know the thought process behind the new owners thinking. IF they were smart, they should seriously consider continuing the car line and building it in Italy.
The name is already a recognizable marque. It is already established as an independent thinker and a rebel within a group of rebels.
There is quite a potential there if managed right.
Just because the owner happens to now be in China, doesn't mean the car will be too.
The renderings of the new "Pantera" aren't out of line at all. If you can stay away from say a Lamborghini type of over the line ridiculousness it might have a chance. The current owners of Lamborghini have forgotten why the car exists at all in my view.
My hope is that the new owners will recognize the attraction of the Pantera and the still existing inherent Italian rebelliousness against authority that fostered it as a new opportunity at an entirely new generation of independent thinkers and feed into the anti-Ferrari, anti-Lamborghini, ant-Ford GT "privileged establishment thinking" and state, "you have no dominion over me"?
The Pantera in effect is an exotic from the working class, not from the "privileged elite", that is built purposely to rub the noses of the privileged in the exhaust fumes of the working class artisans that built it.
Lamborghini and Ford both have forgotten that part of the equation. Ferrari always thought of himself as THE elitist, his cars were only for other "elitists" like himself and the company still is carrying out that tradition...worse than ever.
Lamborghini has forgotten that is why they exist.
Perhaps Pantera could remember?
There are those that still envy that thought even if it is just in private these days?
I can still remember Ferrari's words at loosing to Ford at LeManns in '66..."beaten by a car with an engine from an irrigation pump!". I wonder sometimes if Detomaso heard that?
Love that reply, wonderfull!!!!
But then I didn't vote conservative!
Peter. This is not an attempt at a political statement. Perhaps that is the effect.
I think of it this way. When I was sitting in a fox hole in Viet Nam. Juan Rodriquez at my back, I had to decide what I was fighting for. Trust me, it wasn't so Donald Trump or Sheldon Adelson could become multi billionaires?
No one cares how I vote. I am only one vote.
Let the Ferrari efficianados eat my exhausts. I love to see it when they use the window washers and turn on the wipers in reaction. Kind of makes my day. Don't tell them the smell is from those funny Italian Weber CARBURETORS! The shame, the shame...not even EFI? What a freakin' pion I am?
With a slight mod to the nosecone that Schulze rendering would be killer. And it is hardly a surprise that a Lambo looks like a Pantera....
quote:With a slight mod to the nosecone that Schulze rendering would be killer. And it is hardly a surprise that a Lambo looks like a Pantera....
And to be fair, I think the Lamborghini has always been the closest looking car to the Pantera... So it makes sense they would look similar but this one is just a bit too much like the Huracan...
quote:Originally posted by ZR1 Pantera:quote:With a slight mod to the nosecone that Schulze rendering would be killer. And it is hardly a surprise that a Lambo looks like a Pantera....
And to be fair, I think the Lamborghini has always been the closest looking car to the Pantera... So it makes sense they would look similar but this one is just a bit too much like the Huracan...
I seem to remember hearing of a lawsuit between Porsche and Ferrari back in either the late 60s or early 70's?
It was over the angle of the front deck lid.
I don't remember who was accused of copying who, but it would seem one actually lifted the angle right off of the other car.
It had to do with down force and they both claimed "Patent rights" over the other.
I often think about that while sitting in the Pantera. Seems that if you catch the angle of view "just right" you can see that angle in the slope of the Pantera too?
This isn't as bad as the George Harrison, "My Sweet Lord" infringement lawsuit. Harrison's quote was something like, "it was bound to happen eventually...after all, there are just so many notes to work with"?
It all depends on what's on your mind when you look at these cars?
I'm seeing Corvette tail lamps in that last rendering posted.
I once was at a manufacturers seminar with a particular window manufacturer.
They said to us, "Americans have this problem with the 'not invented here syndrom' ". They went on to explain that Japanese industry had no issue or conscience in
A copy?
The French Pantera
And Panthera, is actually an airplane brand.
They promoted it today in Belgium.
The flying Panthera
The French Pantera
And Panthera, is actually an airplane brand.
They promoted it today in Belgium.
The flying Panthera
Hum? If it wasn't so ugly it wouldn't be bad?
STRANGE windshield wiper configuration on the French car!!!
Would appear there is a portion of the windshield that is not covered/wiped!
Do the wipers meet in the middle of the windshield??!!...
The Frog eaters should stick to baking baguettes & pastries & surrendering!!!...Mark
Would appear there is a portion of the windshield that is not covered/wiped!
Do the wipers meet in the middle of the windshield??!!...
The Frog eaters should stick to baking baguettes & pastries & surrendering!!!...Mark
quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
Hum? If it wasn't so ugly it wouldn't be bad?
Bah, ugly... it is not as beautiful of a design as the Pantera, but I wouldn't call it ugly. Yellow is not the best color for this car. The Le Mans version is pretty cool (imo).
Btw, is mid-engined too, and even better, powered by a Ford (2.6L V6) engine. 190HP for as little as 2160Lbs...
quote:Originally posted by Kid:quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
Hum? If it wasn't so ugly it wouldn't be bad?
Bah, ugly... it is not as beautiful of a design as the Pantera, but I wouldn't call it ugly. Yellow is not the best color for this car. The Le Mans version is pretty cool (imo).
Btw, is mid-engined too, and even better, powered by a Ford (2.6L V6) engine. 190HP for as little as 2160Lbs...
A car is like a woman. They are all pretty. Some are prettier than all or most, some all or most are prettier than them.
There is a match for everyone. The blind don't care about pretty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEFfISdA8LQ
The older renderings of future Panteras are better than this one...