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Hello there everyone! Both Mr. George and Mrs. Debbie Pence approved me as being a part of this fine community! I'm excited and thankful to say the least. As such, I guess I'll be needing a car! Perhaps by this posting there might be those out there that could steer me (no pun intended) in acquiring a nice specimen? My preference is a Pre-L model, as I favor chrome bumper-ettes. I reside in So. California, and ideally would prefer a West Coast car, if possible. Unfortunately, working against me is that I'm pretty fastidious in my search and don't mind taking time to find what it is that I will have for a lifetime. With budget concerns at the forefront, I'd like to try to find a great car at a fair cost. Any references would greatly be appreciated. Thank you, and again I look forward to being a part of this community! Very respectfully, Chris L.

Telephone: 714)330-8545

e-mail: christopherlawrenz@ yahoo.com

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Welcome!  And good luck in your search.

Also be sure to join your local POCA chapter.  Involvement in your local chapter will help you become aware of cars coming up for sale, often long before they're ever offered to the general public.  I know of a number of cars that have traded hands in this manner, without ever being published for sale on ebay, Craigslist, BAT, or any other formal "for sale" publication/site.

https://poca.clubexpress.com/c...5&club_id=999896

EDUCATE YOURSELF!!!
Those who find good cars or good deals don't do so by accident. They know exactly what they're looking for. To be a successful buyer you need to be able to make a rational informed decision. Don't get swept-away in a rushed decision. And don't become too attached emotionally with any one car - there will always be another.

The key - EDUCATE YOURSELF about Panteras. Start with the following list of
resources, and thoroughly read everything you can find and learn from the experience of others.

12-Steps to Pantera Ownership

  1. Join your local chapter of POCA. Get to know other Pantera owners in your area. They will prove to be invaluable resources to answer questions, point out what to look for or avoid by showing you their cars, and they may know of cars available that have not yet been advertised. They will also serve as an excellent sounding board for your price expectations - they'll help you determine if you (or a seller) is "a dreamer," or if a car sounds like a good value. They may even volunteer to go and help you "check-out" a car!
  2. Get to know other Pantera club members and their cars!
  3. Learn everything you can about the cars - models, differences, upgrades, corrosion, availability and cost of various parts and upgrades you may need.
  4. Thoroughly read Mike Dailey's "Pantera Place" website (http://www.panteraplace.com/), which is an excellent starting point to begin your Pantera education. Then, follow the links to any other Pantera websites (both vendors and owners) and use a search engine (i.e. Google) to look for any other owner or vendor sites to continue your education.
  5. Regularly check any website advertising Panteras for sale (eBay too - but NEVER bid without actually inspecting a car, or having it inspected by a trusted club member or "expert"). And NEVER buy a car you have not personally seen. I was always amazed at how different my definition of "like new" was from those who told me a car was "like new." Caveat emptor!
  6. See as many cars as you can - make appointments to inspect any and all cars within your price and geographic range (a $100-$200 round-trip plane ticket to inspect a car is cheap compared to the investment you're planning to make). My search ranged from Sacramento to San Diego, and included trips to Las Vegas, NV and Phoenix, AZ. I also planned flights to Seattle, Ohio and Chicago, but they proved unnecessary.
  7. Follow-up all leads that appear on the Pantera International bulletin board, and let people know what you're looking for. I found a 71 for sale that was not yet advertised merely by telling a friend behind the Parts Counter at my local Ford dealership that I was looking for a Pantera. He knew of someone who had owned one for 19 years and was planning to sell.
  8. Visit PI Motorsports in Orange, CA. They probably have the single largest collection of Panteras for sale under one roof anywhere in the nation. It's extremely valuable to compare them side-by-side, especially if one or two appear to be what you're looking for, and then go for a drive.
  9. Determine what you want in terms of model, colors, level of upgrades, etc. Also, know what your budget is, realistically. A "bargain" car on eBay or Beverly Hills Car Club may appear to be a great deal, but it may also need another $20-30K worth of repairs and upgrades. Often, a car with modest upgrades can be had for less than it would cost to perform the same upgrades to an original car. However, buying an original car, or a "fixer," allows you to make modifications and upgrades as time and money permit. Know what you want, AND what you're getting into.
  10. And remember: There will always be another car. Don't get swept away when looking at a car thinking that a certain car is the "perfect" or "only" car for you. There will always be another one, it just takes time. And perseverance.
  11. Join Pantera International (sponsor of this website).
  12. Last, join your local Pantera club and POCA, and get to know other Pantera owners and their cars! It should have been the first thing you did.

Good Luck!

Pantera Place - Buying a Pantera

Pre-Purchase Inspection Checklist

  1. Try to start out with the car ice-cold.
  2. Jack the rear end up, crawl underneath and inspect for rust.
  3. Grasp the rear wheels at the 3 and 9 o'clock position and wiggle them in and out.  If there is ANY movement and/or clunking, then normally the rear wheel bearings AND the rear axles are shot.  Figure about $300-400 a side to fix them.
  4. Sometimes the bearings and axle are fine, and the problem is the two hub carrier bushings, where the bottom of the hub carrier mates with the lower control arm.  I'll have a helper wiggle the wheel while I watch from behind/beneath.  If you can see movement where the driveshaft flange/axle goes into the hub carrier, then the problem is obviously there.  If that's solid, and you can see the hub carrier moving around relative to the A-arm, then the problem is trivial--a pair of new bushings and a few hours and you're good to go.
  5. Lower the car onto the ground, and then go to the passenger side and jack the right side, just ahead of the leading edge of the door, on the factory jacking point (a circle punched into the underside of the chassis).
  6. Grasp the passenger side wheel at 3 and 9 o'clock and try to turn it in and out.  If there is any movement or clunking, the steering rack is shot.  However this is a simple fix, consisting of about $50 in parts for a new bronze bushing, etc.  To confirm, have a helper wiggle the wheel and eyeball the accordion-style boot where the tie rod mates with the rack.  You will probably see up-and-down movement here, where there should be none.
  7. Check the forward mounting straps for the front sway bar (where it is mounted to the chassis).  Those are known to break.
  8. Check the lower valance and the radiator support; these are badly designed water traps, and tend to rust out badly.
  9. Rust spots on the body are at the bottom of the front fenders, just ahead of the doors, the undersides of the doors, and the front of the driver's side quarter panel at the bottom.  Also the rocker panels and the bottom of the door post pillars.
  10. Check for even panel gaps and alignment.
  11. Start it up, see if it starts cleanly, or blows smoke out the pipes.  If it blows smoke initially, that normally means the valve guide seals are shot.
  12. With the engine running, hop inside and start actuating all the switches to make sure all the lights, accessories, windows etc. work.
  13. Check for even and smooth clutch engagement.
  14. Once the car is warmed up, try some acceleration tests in 2nd gear, feeling for smooth acceleration, and watching the mirror for smoke, etc.
  15. Wiggle the car from side to side looking for clunks, etc.  Also look for self-steering under throttle, which can indicate worn-out suspension bushings.
  16. Turn on the A/C and see if it operates correctly.
  17. When done driving, let it sit and idle for a long time - 10 minutes or so?  Check the temperature gauge and watch the engine bay for any signs of overheating.

Christopher good evening! Don't be too stuck on an early car because of small bumpers, any Pantera can be transformed from L bumper to small bumpers, and vice-versa. Find a car you like, buy the bumpers you like and have 'em switched out NP! We're in Florida but you have a wealth of Pantera shops in Cali!

Thank you Husker, I'd say I'd be in the neighborhood of $80-$100K, $100K-being a extremely great driver example. I've been poking around, and or the exception for those that have a series of expense modifications, I believe that I'm in the ballpark. I'd like to try to find an original example, absent modifications...Call me a purest..LOL.. Thank you much, Chris.

Christopher,

I would suggest you speak to Mike Mayberry (king on this forum).  He always has a car or two for sale in his garage in Encino.  Several years ago, Riley, another forum member contacted me as he was considering buying a Pantera.  We spoke and it turned out we were neighbors.  I gave him my car for a day to see if he really wanted one, and three months later he was a Pantera owner.  He found a pristine '74 in Santa Barbara, and we go out driving every Sunday together, along with my next door neighbor Bob, who has owned his '73 since new.  There are three of us within a couple of blocks of each other.  Anytime you'd like to pick up mine and drive it for a while, just let me know.  '72 Pre L

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T berg…

I will be down next weekend, and pick up your car and drive it around for a while!  Can I bring it back in about two or three weeks?

What a great gesture and a wonderful person you are!

😎

(j/k*)

Rocky

* i’m joking about borrowing your car, but not joking about your offer!

Good for you to be so helpful. That’s what Pantera ownership is about.

T Berg, You are truly a Gentleman. Thank you for not only your offer to lend my your Pantera for a bit, but also for the advise. Thank you for your trust in me that I would care for your car as you do. I must admit that I would be very hesitant in do so though, in that I'd be so nervous as it's not mine. Perhaps if you wouldn't mind if I could pick your brain periodically, since you own the year (1972-Pre-L) that I'd ultimately like to source? If you even wouldn't mind me sending you pictures of a "prospect" just to get a second pair of eyes? You sound very trusting and trustworthy, I'd like to meet you in person. You reside in Encino (SFV), while I'm in Upland, but over So. Ca. for business, I could meet you just about anywhere if your schedule allowed.

Thank you VERY much,

Chris/Upland, Ca.

Join us some Sunday morning for a drive and car show meet up, and typically there will be three of us with Panteras together (all neighbors).  Like I said, I made the same offer to Riley about 3 years ago, he picked up the car, drove it for an hour, and now is the proud owner of one.  And Bob, my next door neighbor, has owned his Pantera since new in 1973, so he's much more knowledgeable than I am.  So anytime, let me know.  I'll private message you my contact information.  I just got back from a nice drive to Malibu Bluffs Cars and Coffee. Nice turnout, some beautiful cars.  We can do something like that and you can drive it around.

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