Anyone requiring a ZF or rebuild may want to consider this 'as new' unit currently on eBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ZF-5-Speed-Transaxle-New...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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I know the seller. Highly recommended. Very good man to deal with. He was the one, of many, who aided me with his personal time in my search for my Pantera.
Larry
Larry
quote:Originally posted by LF - TP 2511:
I know the seller. Highly recommended. Very good man to deal with. He was the one, of many, who aided me with his personal time in my search for my Pantera.
Larry
If you don't mind me asking, why is he parting out his euro GTS? I have one and maybe I should look at buying some parts from him for future use. In case something on mine breaks someday.
quote:Originally posted by DeTom:
If you don't mind me asking, why is he parting out his euro GTS? I have one and maybe I should look at buying some parts from him for future use. In case something on mine breaks someday.
What's different on a Euro GTS than a USA Pantera? I always thought it was engine bits and vented rotors. Anything else?
quote:If you don't mind me asking, why is he parting out his euro GTS?
Standard story. Bought it after selling his first Pantera, took it apart to do it right. Then life, a move out of state, life, more life ... he may not go ahead with selling it, but this is the closest he has got to doing so. He is a GREAT guy and deserves to keep it, but some things don't go the way we have them planned, do they?
Contact him through eBay if you have specific parts needs.
Larry
Larry
Life is what happens while you are making other plans.
Incidentally that's a super cheap price. I heard $12,000 being thrown around for a rebuilt and $7500 for a core.
Incidentally that's a super cheap price. I heard $12,000 being thrown around for a rebuilt and $7500 for a core.
Like my Mum always said, things always come in threes!
Check out these other two ZF's on eBay too.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Custom-Ratio-ZF-transaxl...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ZF-5DS-25-2-5SPEED-TRANS...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Julian
Check out these other two ZF's on eBay too.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Custom-Ratio-ZF-transaxl...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ZF-5DS-25-2-5SPEED-TRANS...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Julian
quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
Life is what happens while you are making other plans.
Incidentally that's a super cheap price. I heard $12,000 being thrown around for a rebuilt and $7500 for a core.
Read LB's response:
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9550045562/m/6360020343/p/5
Gary
[/QUOTE]What's different on a Euro GTS than a USA Pantera? I always thought it was engine bits and vented rotors. Anything else?[/QUOTE]
Well let's see here, the gauges are all differant, dash is differant, clock is differant, anttena is differant. All the body trim pieces are differant, mainly just black chromate instead of shiny chrome, but still. The wheels are differant, the sway bar is differant, the little metal plaques mounted all over differant places are differant, the side decals are differant, lots of engine things are differant, and like you mentioned the brakes are differant. But other than that, it is the same. So I guess that would be my list of parts I should stock up on, just in case one of them brakes. Oh yeah, I forgot that emblem on the back trunk lid is differat too, and the one on the back. Hmmmm, think that is it. If I remember more later I will post it here and this will be the list for me to ask him about. Thanks for helping me remember what I needed.
Ooops. Forgot the fender flairs. Gotta get a full set of four. Fiberglass over steel. If someone smaked me from the side, it could never be repaired. So I need all four fender flairs.
OK, andother thing, they came with Blaunkampt or whatever germain radios with cassette player. I bet they don't make those anymore, so I better aske for his.... I also need to ask if our wire harness is unique too. Probably is, I would think. And oh yeah, the headliner is differant, forgot about that too.
Damn, looks like I will need to buy the whole car except engine and tranny.
Well let's see here, the gauges are all differant, dash is differant, clock is differant, anttena is differant. All the body trim pieces are differant, mainly just black chromate instead of shiny chrome, but still. The wheels are differant, the sway bar is differant, the little metal plaques mounted all over differant places are differant, the side decals are differant, lots of engine things are differant, and like you mentioned the brakes are differant. But other than that, it is the same. So I guess that would be my list of parts I should stock up on, just in case one of them brakes. Oh yeah, I forgot that emblem on the back trunk lid is differat too, and the one on the back. Hmmmm, think that is it. If I remember more later I will post it here and this will be the list for me to ask him about. Thanks for helping me remember what I needed.
Ooops. Forgot the fender flairs. Gotta get a full set of four. Fiberglass over steel. If someone smaked me from the side, it could never be repaired. So I need all four fender flairs.
OK, andother thing, they came with Blaunkampt or whatever germain radios with cassette player. I bet they don't make those anymore, so I better aske for his.... I also need to ask if our wire harness is unique too. Probably is, I would think. And oh yeah, the headliner is differant, forgot about that too.
Damn, looks like I will need to buy the whole car except engine and tranny.
Thanks for list. I just went by memory and forgot all the little things. I never knew about the sway bar though. Also, you have amber turn signals in the rear from the factory, and no side markers.
They had to put side markers in mine to get it into the country. But they did a good job for having added them latter. Some day I may take them back out, but I got a lot of stuff to do before then. 
quote:He is a GREAT guy and deserves to keep it
I couldn't agree more!
quote:Originally posted by comp2:quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
Life is what happens while you are making other plans.
Incidentally that's a super cheap price. I heard $12,000 being thrown around for a rebuilt and $7500 for a core.
Read LB's response:
Wow, that very comforting to know. Thanks Comp2.
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9550045562/m/6360020343/p/5
Gary
The phone number listed in that thread for Lloyd Butfoy is a fax. Does anyone have a current number he can be reached at and spoken withOr does anyone know what a ring and pinion costs?
Does anyone know if there are different gear ratio sets available such as maybe a 2.8 first gear with a close ratio 2, 3, 4, and the OD 5?
What I'm thinking is I'd like to have more launch in first without effecting the top gears or changing the 4.22.
My Richmond in my GT350 is a 3.27 first gear and 5th is 1:1 with a 3.50 rear.
It is a close ratio box and pulls very hard in all gears with little if any clutch slippage.
The Burgandy Express dropped into the 9's with just a change to a 5.25 rear, If it had a better 1st gear that might not have been necessary.
Does anyone know if there are different gear ratio sets available such as maybe a 2.8 first gear with a close ratio 2, 3, 4, and the OD 5?
What I'm thinking is I'd like to have more launch in first without effecting the top gears or changing the 4.22.
My Richmond in my GT350 is a 3.27 first gear and 5th is 1:1 with a 3.50 rear.
It is a close ratio box and pulls very hard in all gears with little if any clutch slippage.
The Burgandy Express dropped into the 9's with just a change to a 5.25 rear, If it had a better 1st gear that might not have been necessary.
Doug,
Everything you need in the way of contact info etc. can be found at Lloyd's website http://www.rbttrans.com/
Everything you need in the way of contact info etc. can be found at Lloyd's website http://www.rbttrans.com/
Thanks for thin information. the web page is very informative. Need to start a new thread now about gearing.