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Looks nice
With so many high powered P-cars today, it seems a little low on power, but that's nothing an ECU and more boost can't fix! lol.
I bet it's light though, being all aluminum.
Now me, looking at having to rebuild or replace my engine, I'm thinking twin turbo V8, maybe even twin turbo, twin charged, with a supercharger tossed in just for fun.
With so many high powered P-cars today, it seems a little low on power, but that's nothing an ECU and more boost can't fix! lol.
I bet it's light though, being all aluminum.
Now me, looking at having to rebuild or replace my engine, I'm thinking twin turbo V8, maybe even twin turbo, twin charged, with a supercharger tossed in just for fun.
That would be good for my MGB but it would not be an engine I would open up the bonnet at a car show.
quote:Originally posted by mike the snake:
Looks nice
With so many high powered P-cars today, it seems a little low on power, but that's nothing an ECU and more boost can't fix! lol.
I bet it's light though, being all aluminum.
Now me, looking at having to rebuild or replace my engine, I'm thinking twin turbo V8, maybe even twin turbo, twin charged, with a supercharger tossed in just for fun.
I'm wondering about weight and the ability to move it all forward and achieve a better weight distribution ratio.
Couldn't you do that with an aluminum block V8?
quote:Originally posted by mike the snake:
Couldn't you do that with an aluminum block V8?
Agreed, but there is some advantage to lower weight and moving the weight mass forward.
Pumped up I4 and V6 cars can post incredible 1/4mi. times
fastest 4 cylinder car (that I know of) is a 1991 Eagle Talon TSI owned by John Shepherd with a 1/4 mile time of 7.70 secs @ 191.32…
Sounds like Fords performance engine for the new Ford GT and Raptor and Mustang will start with the Twin Turbo V6.
"next-generation twin-turbocharged 3.5-liter EcoBoost V6 that will produce more than 600 horsepower. This new engine is based on the same race-proven engine architecture as that used in Ford IMSA Daytona Prototype endurance-racing efforts. The EcoBoost engine will be a paired with a seven-speed dual-clutch transaxle for near instantaneous gear changes and exceptional driver control.
All of a vehicle’s capabilities – acceleration, handling, braking, safety, efficiency – can improve through the use of advanced, lighter materials, and the GT makes generous use of these high-tech composites.
Aerodynamic efficiency is at the heart of the Ford GT design, with every slope and shape examined to minimize drag and optimize downforce. An active rear spoiler is keyed to both speed and driver input, reactively deploying and adjusting its height and/or pitch angle depending on conditions.
GT is the latest proof point of the commitment by Ford Performance to bring more global performance vehicles to customers worldwide. It joins the Focus RS, F-150 Raptor, Shelby GT350® and Shelby® GT350R as the latest addition to the Ford Performance lineup."
"next-generation twin-turbocharged 3.5-liter EcoBoost V6 that will produce more than 600 horsepower. This new engine is based on the same race-proven engine architecture as that used in Ford IMSA Daytona Prototype endurance-racing efforts. The EcoBoost engine will be a paired with a seven-speed dual-clutch transaxle for near instantaneous gear changes and exceptional driver control.
All of a vehicle’s capabilities – acceleration, handling, braking, safety, efficiency – can improve through the use of advanced, lighter materials, and the GT makes generous use of these high-tech composites.
Aerodynamic efficiency is at the heart of the Ford GT design, with every slope and shape examined to minimize drag and optimize downforce. An active rear spoiler is keyed to both speed and driver input, reactively deploying and adjusting its height and/or pitch angle depending on conditions.
GT is the latest proof point of the commitment by Ford Performance to bring more global performance vehicles to customers worldwide. It joins the Focus RS, F-150 Raptor, Shelby GT350® and Shelby® GT350R as the latest addition to the Ford Performance lineup."
A High Boost, High RPM, High out put V6 for our relatively light weight spots cars could be a good combination.
quote:Originally posted by agustaboy:
A High Boost, High RPM, High out put V6 for our relatively light weight spots cars could be a good combination.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/f...-spy-shots-and-specs
Set to be built in Canada, the GT is powered by a mid-mounted 3.5-litre twin-turbocharged V6 EcoBoost engine delivering upwards of 600bhp. That's paired with a unique seven-speed dual clutch transmission. From power output alone, the GT should produce performance that strikes fear into the world's most prominent supercar manufacturers, such as Ferrari, Lamborghini and McLaren.
so the V6 is a Cleveland engine?
"The V6 EcoBoost engines are being assembled at Cleveland Engine Plant No. 1 in Brook Park, Ohio."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_EcoBoost_engine
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for whatever reason I've kept the idea on the backburner but it's always been simmering... I 1st wanted to swap in a 351C. then I took a bite of reality & started thinking towards a 302, recently I've been looking at alloy block offerings but this post has shed new light on the back burner
basic engine weighs ~ 420# w/o accessory drive, I wonder what kind of power output could be coaxed from the little guy running Pump Premium with a decent computer flash?
this would be in a 1996 1.9/5spd Z3 Roadster
"The V6 EcoBoost engines are being assembled at Cleveland Engine Plant No. 1 in Brook Park, Ohio."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_EcoBoost_engine
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for whatever reason I've kept the idea on the backburner but it's always been simmering... I 1st wanted to swap in a 351C. then I took a bite of reality & started thinking towards a 302, recently I've been looking at alloy block offerings but this post has shed new light on the back burner
basic engine weighs ~ 420# w/o accessory drive, I wonder what kind of power output could be coaxed from the little guy running Pump Premium with a decent computer flash?
this would be in a 1996 1.9/5spd Z3 Roadster
If "I" was going to select just "1" engine to replace the 351 4V Cleveland it would be without a moment of pause nor hesitation ...ALL about the "VooDoo"!!!...SCREAMING AT 8,000 RPMS!!!...Mark
http://articles.sae.org/13709/
http://articles.sae.org/13709/
Wiki
3.5 litre (second generation)
The next-generation 3.5 L EcoBoost V6 is being produced for the 2017 Ford GT, revealed at the 2015 Detroit Auto Show in January.[51] It is expected to produce over 600 horsepower and over 500 lb-ft of torque, paired with a 7-speed semi-automatic transmission. This engine theoretically replaces the 5.4 L Supercharged Modular V8 from the last generation Ford GT which produced 550 horsepower. The GT has been on a 10 year hiatus, and will return in 2016 for the 2017 model year.
Also announced at the 2015 Detroit Auto Show was the 2017 Ford F-150 SVT Raptor, which is powered by an all-new 3.5 L twin-turbocharged EcoBoost V6.[52] This new engine is expected to produce between 450 and 500 horsepower in the Raptor, up from the previous 6.2 L V8's 411. Torque is also expected to higher than the 434 lb-ft produced by the naturally aspirated 6.2 L Boss V8.
3.5 litre (second generation)
The next-generation 3.5 L EcoBoost V6 is being produced for the 2017 Ford GT, revealed at the 2015 Detroit Auto Show in January.[51] It is expected to produce over 600 horsepower and over 500 lb-ft of torque, paired with a 7-speed semi-automatic transmission. This engine theoretically replaces the 5.4 L Supercharged Modular V8 from the last generation Ford GT which produced 550 horsepower. The GT has been on a 10 year hiatus, and will return in 2016 for the 2017 model year.
Also announced at the 2015 Detroit Auto Show was the 2017 Ford F-150 SVT Raptor, which is powered by an all-new 3.5 L twin-turbocharged EcoBoost V6.[52] This new engine is expected to produce between 450 and 500 horsepower in the Raptor, up from the previous 6.2 L V8's 411. Torque is also expected to higher than the 434 lb-ft produced by the naturally aspirated 6.2 L Boss V8.
Boy, ain't turbos great!
Unless the "Turbo Lag" spools up when your powering through a tight turn at high speeds!!!quote:Originally posted by mike the snake:
Boy, ain't turbos great!
I'd venture to state that "Turbo Lag" has been the causation of MORE crashed cars then any other high performance modification...Mark
Most twin turbos are set up in a staggered wind up minimizing the lag. Also the variable Cam timing must make for some increased low end.
Would be interesting to view a dyno printout to see how linear the horsepower build-up is.quote:Originally posted by agustaboy:
Most twin turbos are set up in a staggered wind up minimizing the lag. Also the variable Cam timing must make for some increased low end.
When the print-out looks like Mount Everest ^^^^...Watch OUT
...Mark
There ain't no replacement for displacement........
I learned that a long time ago, and it's true.
Are these new Ecoboost engines in I4 and V6 combinations technological tour de forces? Sure they are, but the only reason Ford is coming out with smaller engines is so they can proclaim to the world that they are a "green company." I, for one, don't subscribe to this line of reasoning -- I think it sucks. I don't have a choice of large cars that are made in America anymore unless you want to purchase an Audi A8L or Mercedes Benz S class, that are both out of my price range. The only large vehicles left in America are trucks and SUV's. My point is, now it appears we are going down the road of "green" performance cars that are going to limit engine choices -- because V8's are "bad" for the environment. Sorry, but that's just who I am, and I believe there are lots more like me out there that don't want to say what's on their minds.
If you want a V6 in your ride, knock yourself out -- this is still a free country. But for myself, I'll be just as impressed with the rice burner 4's out there with coffee cans for exhaust tips as a V6 in a Pantera.
Different strokes for different folks??
I learned that a long time ago, and it's true.
Are these new Ecoboost engines in I4 and V6 combinations technological tour de forces? Sure they are, but the only reason Ford is coming out with smaller engines is so they can proclaim to the world that they are a "green company." I, for one, don't subscribe to this line of reasoning -- I think it sucks. I don't have a choice of large cars that are made in America anymore unless you want to purchase an Audi A8L or Mercedes Benz S class, that are both out of my price range. The only large vehicles left in America are trucks and SUV's. My point is, now it appears we are going down the road of "green" performance cars that are going to limit engine choices -- because V8's are "bad" for the environment. Sorry, but that's just who I am, and I believe there are lots more like me out there that don't want to say what's on their minds.
If you want a V6 in your ride, knock yourself out -- this is still a free country. But for myself, I'll be just as impressed with the rice burner 4's out there with coffee cans for exhaust tips as a V6 in a Pantera.
Different strokes for different folks??
I agree 100% with..."No replacement for displacement".quote:Originally posted by DeMopuar:
There ain't no replacement for displacement........
I learned that a long time ago, and it's true.
Are these new Ecoboost engines in I4 and V6 combinations technological tour de forces? Sure they are, but the only reason Ford is coming out with smaller engines is so they can proclaim to the world that they are a "green company." I, for one, don't subscribe to this line of reasoning -- I think it sucks. I don't have a choice of large cars that are made in America anymore unless you want to purchase an Audi A8L or Mercedes Benz S class, that are both out of my price range. The only large vehicles left in America are trucks and SUV's. My point is, now it appears we are going down the road of "green" performance cars that are going to limit engine choices -- because V8's are "bad" for the environment. Sorry, but that's just who I am, and I believe there are lots more like me out there that don't want to say what's on their minds.
If you want a V6 in your ride, knock yourself out -- this is still a free country. But for myself, I'll be just as impressed with the rice burner 4's out there with coffee cans for exhaust tips as a V6 in a Pantera.
Different strokes for different folks??
Take note of when this relatively "small" engines make torque, it's in the upper RPM range.
A 351 4V Cleveland limping off the line at idle has more torque than these small displacement engines at 2,000 RPMS.
Plus rather difficult to work on these engine's unless your are computer savvy like Bill Gates & have hands the size of a new-borne.
With a carbed Cleveland using points/plug condenser/rotor/cap, I could essentially break down in the middle of No-Where & with a handful of spare parts & a small tool box, be...Up & Running".
With the "NEW" computer controlled EVERYTHING engines, you break down...better have good cell phone coverage & a paid-up AAA membership card...& LOTS of time to WAIT for the tow truck to arrive!!!...Mark
NEVER LIKED a V6!!! due the the short length of the crankshaft.
Even a "Lowly" 4 banger has a longer crankshaft.
Image the downward thrust pressures of 600 HP on those main bearing surfaces
...Mark
Even a "Lowly" 4 banger has a longer crankshaft.
Image the downward thrust pressures of 600 HP on those main bearing surfaces
...Mark
is that a V6 crank in your pocket?
plenty of mains/bulkheads
http://www.stangtv.com/tech-st...ernois-built-3-5-v6/
plenty of mains/bulkheads
http://www.stangtv.com/tech-st...ernois-built-3-5-v6/
More like a "Straight 8" ( Well a little curve)quote:Originally posted by 4V & Proud:
is that a V6 crank in your pocket?
plenty of mains/bulkheads
http://www.stangtv.com/tech-st...ernois-built-3-5-v6/
Interesting to note the little V-6 connecting rods & pistons Ford BOASTS ONLY weigh 1000 grams ( a kilo) (2.2 lbs).
Where as the MIGHTY Chevy LS7 427 cubic inch engine as a combined connecting rod ( titanium) & piston weight of 930 grams.
The V6 Ford engine has a fuel injection PSI pressure of 2,100
and only 3/8 connecting rod bolts that are "SUPPOSE" to handle 1,000 HORSEPOWER.
That's asking a HELL of A LOT to be expected out of 3/8" connecting bolts!!! ( Did I hear a engine EXPLODE in the background???!!! ...Mark
Out of my reach, but what about pricing? Bob o Boy , how I love the rear of the new GT 
I bought a new Mustang GT convertible in 95'
Made a whopping 210 HP from that 5.0 V8
We've come a long way in 20 years.
Made a whopping 210 HP from that 5.0 V8
We've come a long way in 20 years.
I am a in the more cubic inch camp. As I said, it would be great for my MG which came with a 4-cyl:
I am always amazed at the excitement of the 302 as a race engines when the racers of the time would have gladly dumped it for a much larger engine if rules would allowed.
I understand a new small car with a super revving turbocharged V6 but to put it in a 32 Ford hot rod or a Pantera just seems off.
I like the LS engines but I am not a fan of them in the older hot rods; not because they are not good engines, just because it is like mixing water and milk. I guess they call that skim milk.
I guess I am old school but I just don't see country girls dating rap stars.
I am always amazed at the excitement of the 302 as a race engines when the racers of the time would have gladly dumped it for a much larger engine if rules would allowed.
I understand a new small car with a super revving turbocharged V6 but to put it in a 32 Ford hot rod or a Pantera just seems off.
I like the LS engines but I am not a fan of them in the older hot rods; not because they are not good engines, just because it is like mixing water and milk. I guess they call that skim milk.
I guess I am old school but I just don't see country girls dating rap stars.
I have nothing against the 3.5L EcoBoost V6 engine, but to me it is all about the "look, sound and feel" of our Panteras. A high-rev, small displacement V6 engine just seems out of character for the Pantera. I love the sound of an obnoxious, big, American V8 in our Italian cars.
You pop the hood and the V6 will look tiny in a Pantera engine bay. Fire the engine up and V6 cadence just isn't the same as our V8's. Less soulful howl, more tearing scream. To each their own.
You pop the hood and the V6 will look tiny in a Pantera engine bay. Fire the engine up and V6 cadence just isn't the same as our V8's. Less soulful howl, more tearing scream. To each their own.
Looks like a cool engine and I applaud the technology, but not in my Pantera. I'm in the no replacement for displacement camp. In my opinion, big torque is what makes a street driven car fun.