quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:
Does the wing give me a low flight authorization?
LOL.
In your mind the wing also adds about 10 mph to your indicated speed!
LOL.
In your mind the wing also adds about 10 mph to your indicated speed!
LOL.
In your mind the wing also adds about 10 mph to your indicated speed!
Does anybody know where I can get the real story on a group 4 car. How many made and what were the differences from a stock car. My guess is they were all a little different, however, I have heard reference to group 4 axles, intakes, tail lights, etc. I want to continue making this car a group 4 car, except of course the interior, thats all about comfort. Any experts out there? 
I am no expert but I am reading a book about it right now. There were exactly 4 group four factory cars and a few more sponsered by privateers. Several of these went on to become group five cars. Like maybe two or three. Group four cars were real race cars. They had one seat, bare metal floors, Nascar type engines and later had webbers and bundle of snke headers and were putting out about 500 ponies. They had fiberglass trunks, hoods, doors, plexiglass windows, no air, no radio. They did not do all that good racing because they were pitted against ferrai daytonas that came from the factory with aluminum bodies, and 935 porsches with 10,000 dollar half shafts. Group 4 cars were cool, but they were pure race cars that were budget compared to what they were running against.
I hate to be the one that bursts your bubble, but the Pantera was not that good a race car back then. They were a dynamite road car and bang for the buck were the best. But it wasn't untill over the road racing became popular that Panteras began to shine. Check out the exploits of Mad dog accentuenti. He is what you call a living legend. He and his team Pantera dominate that type of racing, which is more suited to what the Pantera does well.
I hate to be the one that bursts your bubble, but the Pantera was not that good a race car back then. They were a dynamite road car and bang for the buck were the best. But it wasn't untill over the road racing became popular that Panteras began to shine. Check out the exploits of Mad dog accentuenti. He is what you call a living legend. He and his team Pantera dominate that type of racing, which is more suited to what the Pantera does well.
Hello Snoopy,
We get together some times. We have a yahoo group where we keep in touch with each other. I think it's called the northern Illinois Pantera owners. Sign up and you'll be in the loop. Last fall we met a Woodfield and had 12 or 13 cars there I think. Sometimes we'll go to a local show and hang out or go to a track day.
We get together some times. We have a yahoo group where we keep in touch with each other. I think it's called the northern Illinois Pantera owners. Sign up and you'll be in the loop. Last fall we met a Woodfield and had 12 or 13 cars there I think. Sometimes we'll go to a local show and hang out or go to a track day.
I knew they didn't do well racing, they never really had any extensive factory support which is needed to be competative. They did at least place in a few races which is not bad considering their short life.
I thought I had read that a factory had to build 400 cars to be able to qualify group 4. Maybe that was group 3, Im so confused. I like the black and red look of the group 4. Im thinking of going that way and painting the bottom more of a subdued black as well as the hood and trunk. The black that is on the car needs to be re-painted due to stress cracks. Or I may have the whole car painted red. Im still trying to decide. Either way I want to do the PANTERA lettering on the bottom in the more traditional style.
I thought I had read that a factory had to build 400 cars to be able to qualify group 4. Maybe that was group 3, Im so confused. I like the black and red look of the group 4. Im thinking of going that way and painting the bottom more of a subdued black as well as the hood and trunk. The black that is on the car needs to be re-painted due to stress cracks. Or I may have the whole car painted red. Im still trying to decide. Either way I want to do the PANTERA lettering on the bottom in the more traditional style.
korina
I met a guy last year at the Autobahn track in Joliet. He was at one of the SVTOA track days. I think his car was silver or white.
I will try to get on the yahoo site.
I met a guy last year at the Autobahn track in Joliet. He was at one of the SVTOA track days. I think his car was silver or white.
I will try to get on the yahoo site.
That was me I think. My car is silver. This was on the south course and you guys had a tent or something, right?
That was us. I had the electric green cobra convertible. We have another event coming up there next month. You coming?
Also: Where is a good place in the Chicago area to take a Pantera for work. I was planning to go to Mustang Restorations in Dundee. Ive already spoken to Chris. He has done a couple Pantera restorations and has an excellent reputataion in the Mustang world. Hes also pretty close to me. Any thoughts?
Also: Where is a good place in the Chicago area to take a Pantera for work. I was planning to go to Mustang Restorations in Dundee. Ive already spoken to Chris. He has done a couple Pantera restorations and has an excellent reputataion in the Mustang world. Hes also pretty close to me. Any thoughts?
quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:
I knew they didn't do well racing, they never really had any extensive factory support which is needed to be competative. They did at least place in a few races which is not bad considering their short life.
I thought I had read that a factory had to build 400 cars to be able to qualify group 4. Maybe that was group 3, Im so confused. I like the black and red look of the group 4. Im thinking of going that way and painting the bottom more of a subdued black as well as the hood and trunk. The black that is on the car needs to be re-painted due to stress cracks. Or I may have the whole car painted red. Im still trying to decide. Either way I want to do the PANTERA lettering on the bottom in the more traditional style.
You were absolutely right about homologation and they did build Panteras. Thousands of them. The group 4 was never a model. It was a race car. The Porsce 935 was supposed to represent a 911 turbo. That was the deal, it didn't have to be a street car, but it had to be based on one. How ferrai ever passed a homolgomation rule I will never know. What do they sell a year?? Like maybe twelve or so????
The lettering on the bottom you are used to seeing was actually a decal. I think you can still get them from the vendors. The reson the hoods and decks were black on the group 4 was because they were fiberglass and they didn't bother to color match. The rear deck was latched by two straps.
I guess what I am saying is Panteras are the one car on earth that isn't documented down to the gnats behind. Take some poetic liscense and do the car the way you want it. Chances are if it is a labor of love, it will turn out way better than someone elses cobbled up idea anyway.
Btw here is a picture of my car. It is a euro GTS and it came from the factory with that decal. Also the cracking you see isn't the paint so much as it is the lead underneath. Back in the old days they used lead on top end cars. Now a days they have body filler that works better.
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Congrats Snoopy! That is sure one great looking car. I had my car shipped from WA to South Carolina via DAS Dependable auto shippers. $1200 coast to coast. I requested that they not wash it when it arrived. There was oil leaked on the hood from another car being over it. I ran my car for about 9 months with the hood and deck blacked out with primer. I paint cars for a living, so I had to paint it all over the correct red. My car is posted all over this site.
Hello Snoopy.
E mail me if you want to be in the local loop. vince@kleenair.com. There are a few cars in your neighborhood you can meet. Vince
E mail me if you want to be in the local loop. vince@kleenair.com. There are a few cars in your neighborhood you can meet. Vince
Detom wrote:
You were absolutely right about homologation and they did build Panteras
I had to look up "homologation" just to make sure you were talking about cars.
I really like the look of your car with the decal, black is always good looking and the decal adds a nice touch and of course is accurate.
Since the car is a 71 I want to stay somewhat true to age and stay with a group 4 look. I like the racing idea so I'm going to do satin black bottom, hood and deck and some type of block lettering for the PANTERA. Although it is not acurate I might do the PANTERA in some type of gold or subdued yellow that will not clash with the interior. Even though the interior is unique I kinda like it, I know the red is not accurate either. I like the idea that I can do what I want without worrying about staying original. Thats why I didn't by an original car in the first place. There are to many fun options this way.
You were absolutely right about homologation and they did build Panteras
I had to look up "homologation" just to make sure you were talking about cars.
I really like the look of your car with the decal, black is always good looking and the decal adds a nice touch and of course is accurate.
Since the car is a 71 I want to stay somewhat true to age and stay with a group 4 look. I like the racing idea so I'm going to do satin black bottom, hood and deck and some type of block lettering for the PANTERA. Although it is not acurate I might do the PANTERA in some type of gold or subdued yellow that will not clash with the interior. Even though the interior is unique I kinda like it, I know the red is not accurate either. I like the idea that I can do what I want without worrying about staying original. Thats why I didn't by an original car in the first place. There are to many fun options this way.
Exactly Snoopy. I like to fantasize on how I want to do my car. And from those fantasyies occasionaly one will stick, and I start to work toward it. I am going to leave mine as a euro GTS. But if I ever do manage to pick up one that needs a full restoration, I am gonna go hog wild on it. And no I am not talking dubs and neon lights, I am talking fast and wild and super high tech. Of course the Powerball lottery would certainly help a lot by letting me hit all the numbers just once.