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I’m feeling nostalgic and want to return my 1972 Pantera’s engine bay to a more "OEM" condition. The problem is I can’t find very much documentation on what an original Pantera motor actually looked like. I’ve scanned the Internet, Pantera books and magazines without much luck. Does anyone have a "link" or some good photos they would share with me? I am especially interested how the valve cover breather and fuel vapor canister connects to the air cleaner. My oil dip stick tube seems to be in the way. And what about the snorkel and heat riser tube, I can’t find anything on that. Some good pictures of the top of the engine with the air cleaner removed would be helpful too. My ’72 didn’t have EGR, so that makes things a little simpler, but what about the distributor vacuum control valve? Was that used in 1972 and where was it located? And the idle solenoid, is that a ’72 part too. Any photos showing the proper configuration of these parts would be greatly appreciated! Post them here or e-mail me at dave@racerdave.com. Thanks.
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racerdaveracerdaveMember
For what it's worth, here's where I'm at so far.
There must be at least one Pantera owner who didn't jettison all the original pieces. I've owned my car since '79, but the carb, manifold, air cleaner, valve covers, etc. where long gone when I got the car. So far all I have to work with is a grainy b&w picture from an old Road & Track magazine.

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It looks beautiful Dave.

The valve cover "breather" should be connected to the little orange filter cartridge mounted inside the air filter via a short length of hose and two plastic elbows, a 45 or 90 degree elbow in the valve cover grommet, and a 90 degree elbow held onto the air filter cartridge with a metal clip. From the picture it appears you have the correct parts.

There should be a nipple sticking out of another hole in the air filter for the vapor cannister hose. The hose itself is made of that stuff that looks like corregated paper lined with foil.
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racerdaveracerdaveMember
Thanks George, thanks Mark. Painting the bottles is my next little project. Is black the original color? Flat Black? Semi Flat? As far as the ZF, I don't think I'm ready to give up all my "bling" just yet! Here'a a picture of my engine in a previous life. I'm sure some people are thinking I should change my name from racerdave to crazydave for dumping the EFI, but I think that name is already taken on this site :-)

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garth66garth66"When speed is the only thing that counts"
And another view of the car above. This car still has the original "DeTomaso" plates affixed to the valve covers. These are the same plates that everyone affixes to the lower rear frame crossmember by the swaybar. Very few cars still have them affixed to the valve covers because the heat and vibration would cause them to fall off over time.

You can PM me for my shipping address to send the EFI system. Good doing business with you. Ha! I guess you can call me CrazyGarth now Big Grin

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George PGeorge PAdmin.
Adams, your L Pantera is supposed to have the snorkel at 1:30. It came that way from the factory. In fact it should have a flexible duct from the snorkel to a little plastic scoop mounted beneath the car on the passenger side. The pre-L Panteras had it facing at 7:30, which is 180 degrees from your L. Don't go jumping to conclusions. The engine bays were not 100% identicle all 4 years.

The L cars have EGR, you can see the little diaphragm for the EGR valve poking itself out from beneath the air filter assembly.

watching out for my buddy and his beautiful green Pantera, George
racerdaveracerdaveMember
Sorry, the EFI was listed here back in 2005 and was sold. However I do have a Blue Thunder intake and a Holley Avenger carb I’ll make someone a deal on.
Thanks for the photos Garth, you’re a better detective than me. I spent hours surfing the Internet looking for pictures like that. Several of the cars have yellow dip stick handles. Wasn’t that done by a dealer to show some recommend repair had been done? I looked through all my old TSB’s (Technical Service Bulletins) but I can’t find it.
A. Hudson, 1973-74 had a different snorkel that extended to the bottom of the car for fresh air pickup. I hope you still have those parts, I think it will be difficult to find replacements.

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garth66garth66"When speed is the only thing that counts"
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Several of the cars have yellow dip stick handles. Wasn’t that done by a dealer to show some recommend repair had been done? I looked through all my old TSB’s (Technical Service Bulletins) but I can’t find it.

Yes, Ford issued a TSB on this very early (but I don't have the number here at the office) giving 38" as the proper length from tip to edge of the 'cup' that slides over and seals the dipstick tube. Dealers would the dipstick handle yellow to easily identify that it had been fixed.
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Originally posted by racerdave:
Sorry, the EFI was listed here back in 2005 and was sold. However I do have a Blue Thunder intake and a Holley Avenger carb I’ll make someone a deal on.
Several of the cars have yellow dip stick handles. Wasn’t that done by a dealer to show some recommend repair had been done? I looked through all my old TSB’s (Technical Service Bulletins) but I can’t find it.

A. Hudson, 1973-74 had a different snorkel that extended to the bottom of the car for fresh air pickup. I hope you still have those parts, I think it will be difficult to find replacements.


Thanks for checking. I do indeed have the snorkel extending to the bottom passenger side (reinstalled courtesy of Pat Mical, who doesn't miss much... if anything www.patsauto.com)
I also have the yellow ended dipstick that's roughly 8 miles long. I have to cross the street to extract the full dip stick.

I NEEDED that illustration of the snorkel tube stuff, since that's my next mini project, after the manifold detail and carb reinstall. Going great so far, took the day off today (Friday) and worked on some detailing before reassembly. Has anyone noticed that the engine bay is mildly difficult to access?
racerdaveracerdaveMember
Thanks Miles, but I'm ok on the valve covers. I did "cheat" a little, I screwed mine on from the back side. I decided not to trust gluing them on.
The red distributor cap (Mallory Uni-Lite)is out of place, but it is usually hidden by the air cleaner. I'll probably replace the distributor with an original Ford unit with an after-market breakerless system. I don't think I could ever go back to mechanical points. In the mean time does anyone know if it's safe to paint the distributor cap? I'm worried it might cause arcing.

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Dave,
I'm not sure how fussy you want to get but on both of my 73's the oil pressure wire is inside a 1/4'diameter (approximately) black plastic tube from the wiring loom to about the last 3" before the sender. Of course the plastic is hard and brittle after all these years and I removed mine as yours and many others are.

Jim Cain
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racerdaveracerdaveMember
Hi Jim. Most of my oil sender line is still covered by that tube. But like yours it is very brittle and the last few inches have broken off. Some major parts missing from the photo are the 'carb to throttle cable bracket' and exhaust 'heat riser shield'. Both of those are on the way from Wilkinson. I'm still shopping for a molded PCV hose and I'm giving up hope on finding the 'paper/foil' tube that connects the air cleaner to the emission carbon canister.
And what's with that "thingy" on the right corner of the manifold? It's called a "Distributor Vacuum Control Valve". Was that used in '72 or just for the later 73-74 cars with EGR? The photo is from a '72L model. Was there a different "emissions package" between L and Pre-L? And what did the sticker on the end of that valve cover say and what years had them? I looked at another valve cover and it has an orange sticker on the side, not the end. And in the pictures from Garth, the red car has a sticker right where the deTomaso emblem should be.

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Garth, Racerdave are you 100% certain that the valve covers came from the factory with the Detomaso plates affixed to them? If so are the plates on both covers? There doesn't look like there is enough room on the passanger side valve cover for one. Was this a stock item 71 thru 74? My car is a stock 74 and doesn't have them. Chuck
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Racerdave,
Thanks for the quick response. This forum is invaluable. Ask a question and someone 2,000 miles away responds in minutes. I noticed in one of the pictures posted here with an emblem on it, the air filter assemlbly snorkel was at 7:30. Mine is at 1:30. That kind of led me to believe that later models didn't have this emblem.
Thanks,
Chuck
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