Sir, you are fully right, but that is still no answer to my question : why are you doing this? The new management got nothing to do with the past. what is in it for you?
best regards arn
I m here to help, at the present time, they are very busy, but to get feeling from past customers is important for them. They own DT, they own the Heritage
I don't know them, you say you do. So who am I to question their intrests. I just can't inmagine they do,
and I still doesn't get what's in it for you. I will rest my case. Time will tell.
I hope they will make a car that will beat a Ferrari 599, looks like Halle Berry, sounds like a horney B17 bomber on a mission and make a Lamborghini look average.
arn
oh And do 30 miles to the gallon
and I still doesn't get what's in it for you. I will rest my case. Time will tell.
I hope they will make a car that will beat a Ferrari 599, looks like Halle Berry, sounds like a horney B17 bomber on a mission and make a Lamborghini look average.
arn
oh And do 30 miles to the gallon
Some ideas I would like to see passed along to the new owners of DeTomaso Automobili are:
1) There should be a DeTomaso museum with significant DeTomaso milestone cars on display as well as examples of past models. It would be nice if the museum was based in the U.S. but if it was at the new DT factory, that would give us an excuse to visit if the welcome mat is out. Most of us own at least one DeTomaso artifact or trinket that we might not mind contributing to the museum for other enthusiasts to enjoy.
2) From all that I gather so far, the new DT cars are going to be priced over $100,000.00, maybe substantially over the $100K threshold. This type of pricing may not be a deterrent. I personally know several Pantera owners who own Ford GTs, one person with two of them in the family and the six figure cost did not keep them from purchasing the Ford GT cars. The poll we ran a few months ago revealed that there were few Pantera owners/enthusiasts willing to pay near or over $100K. If the six figure cost is cast in stone, that alone may be good reason for the new owners to focus their marketing efforts elsewhere, perhaps to the gold chain crowd. A six figure price point is going to be a major stumbling block to earning revenue from most Pantera owners according to the poll.*Note: Surprisingly, there are a large number of Pantera owners who have invested $100K or more in their cars over a period of time, just not all at once when the car was purchased.
3) In the strongest terms, do not use a V6 in DeTomaso automobiles bound for these shores. If you intend to do so, the DeTomaso trademark should not have been purchased. There is a 3-seat Pantera prototipo with a V6, I would rather have had the 3-seats than a V6. The 2010 Mustang, Challenger and Camaro all have very muscular V8's on tap that would wipe the floor up with a V6 powered DeTomaso anything unless it was as light as a Lotus. Most of the Pantera owners I know would not be able to fit into a Lotus. Jenny Craig would have to become involved if there were Panteras made as small as a Lotus.
4) It is good judgment to link the new DeTomaso cars to the past DeTomaso racing history. If the factory officials did read the Olczyk book, they would have discovered that there is page after page of racing Panteras and formula cars that competed in Europe and the U.S. Sure, they may not have won many races but at least they competed against some of the top teams that existed and in some cases did remarkably well. DeTomaso has a racing history that is far superior to that of Lamborghini as an example. Let some of this racing history rub-off on the new cars. It makes sense.
5) Having Tom Tjaarda fully involved in the design of the new cars and as the factory spokesperson in the U.S. is appropriate. Tom is much better known among automobile enthusiasts in general than anybody who was ever involved with the DeTomaso marque including the founder. At this weekend's Monterey happenings, you can bet that Tom will be involved at all the events he attends as a featured speaker, Judge or in some other capacity. The factory needs this man as part of their design and marketing strategy.
6) If the factory is interested in reaching out to current owners, why not put certain key classic Pantera parts back into production? How about new body panels fabricated from aluminum or designing new systems for the new cars that may also retro-fit the old cars such as brake systems? Not all of us may be able to afford new cars but having new factory parts would certainly build up loyalty and good will with existing owners.
Even though some people may be skeptical or even critical of the new DeTomaso automobiles, I am optimistic that the new cars will be a big success whether us old owners buy them or not. Having a car that was built by a marque that is still in existence, with a fully functioning factory in Italy and cranking out new cars is important in my view. Being part of an orphaned marque may not be of much consequence to some owners but I view it as a negative and a sure ticket to obscurity. Hopefully, the new cars will ignite the same passions that I experienced when my love affair with the Pantera began in 1974 when Linda and I purchased our first car (a 1972 L).
1) There should be a DeTomaso museum with significant DeTomaso milestone cars on display as well as examples of past models. It would be nice if the museum was based in the U.S. but if it was at the new DT factory, that would give us an excuse to visit if the welcome mat is out. Most of us own at least one DeTomaso artifact or trinket that we might not mind contributing to the museum for other enthusiasts to enjoy.
2) From all that I gather so far, the new DT cars are going to be priced over $100,000.00, maybe substantially over the $100K threshold. This type of pricing may not be a deterrent. I personally know several Pantera owners who own Ford GTs, one person with two of them in the family and the six figure cost did not keep them from purchasing the Ford GT cars. The poll we ran a few months ago revealed that there were few Pantera owners/enthusiasts willing to pay near or over $100K. If the six figure cost is cast in stone, that alone may be good reason for the new owners to focus their marketing efforts elsewhere, perhaps to the gold chain crowd. A six figure price point is going to be a major stumbling block to earning revenue from most Pantera owners according to the poll.*Note: Surprisingly, there are a large number of Pantera owners who have invested $100K or more in their cars over a period of time, just not all at once when the car was purchased.
3) In the strongest terms, do not use a V6 in DeTomaso automobiles bound for these shores. If you intend to do so, the DeTomaso trademark should not have been purchased. There is a 3-seat Pantera prototipo with a V6, I would rather have had the 3-seats than a V6. The 2010 Mustang, Challenger and Camaro all have very muscular V8's on tap that would wipe the floor up with a V6 powered DeTomaso anything unless it was as light as a Lotus. Most of the Pantera owners I know would not be able to fit into a Lotus. Jenny Craig would have to become involved if there were Panteras made as small as a Lotus.
4) It is good judgment to link the new DeTomaso cars to the past DeTomaso racing history. If the factory officials did read the Olczyk book, they would have discovered that there is page after page of racing Panteras and formula cars that competed in Europe and the U.S. Sure, they may not have won many races but at least they competed against some of the top teams that existed and in some cases did remarkably well. DeTomaso has a racing history that is far superior to that of Lamborghini as an example. Let some of this racing history rub-off on the new cars. It makes sense.
5) Having Tom Tjaarda fully involved in the design of the new cars and as the factory spokesperson in the U.S. is appropriate. Tom is much better known among automobile enthusiasts in general than anybody who was ever involved with the DeTomaso marque including the founder. At this weekend's Monterey happenings, you can bet that Tom will be involved at all the events he attends as a featured speaker, Judge or in some other capacity. The factory needs this man as part of their design and marketing strategy.
6) If the factory is interested in reaching out to current owners, why not put certain key classic Pantera parts back into production? How about new body panels fabricated from aluminum or designing new systems for the new cars that may also retro-fit the old cars such as brake systems? Not all of us may be able to afford new cars but having new factory parts would certainly build up loyalty and good will with existing owners.
Even though some people may be skeptical or even critical of the new DeTomaso automobiles, I am optimistic that the new cars will be a big success whether us old owners buy them or not. Having a car that was built by a marque that is still in existence, with a fully functioning factory in Italy and cranking out new cars is important in my view. Being part of an orphaned marque may not be of much consequence to some owners but I view it as a negative and a sure ticket to obscurity. Hopefully, the new cars will ignite the same passions that I experienced when my love affair with the Pantera began in 1974 when Linda and I purchased our first car (a 1972 L).
I must be getting old. I could have sworn there was a busy thread here about the new DT logo??
quote:I must be getting old. I could have sworn there was a busy thread here about the new DT logo??
Phillipe had a similar post earlier today.
It is now deleted, along with my response.
Perhaps our moderator is moderating......again?
Watch THIS post for its future deleting.
Larry
quote:the new DT logo??
You mean the decision by the new owners to discard the heritage of the old emblem in favor of something new, and totally divorced from the old? A NEW emblem that NO ONE will see as an updated version of the old?
AFTER spending big bucks to buy a company with heritage?
Bringing to question why they didn't just start something entirely new in the first place?
THAT discussion?
Larry
The one where we recognize that what someone does with their company is none of our business. But we can certainly comment on why others weirdly believe that new management is hanging on every word a bunch of old guys who prefer the old logo and Detroit iron might say. And how that could possibly offend anyone.
quote:Originally posted by LF - TP 2511:quote:the new DT logo??
You mean the decision by the new owners to discard the heritage of the old emblem in favor of something new, and totally divorced from the old? A NEW emblem that NO ONE will see as an updated version of the old?
AFTER spending big bucks to buy a company with heritage?
Bringing to question why they didn't just start something entirely new in the first place?
THAT discussion?
Larry
I ll stop talking here as thread with Logo have been deleted for no reasons. I ve spend a lot of time and now all this for nothing. I sadly disagree with the moderator who abuse his power in my opinion
quote:Originally posted by Olczyk:
I ll stop talking here as thread with Logo have been deleted for no reasons. I ve spend a lot of time and now all this for nothing. I sadly disagree with the moderator who abuse his power in my opinion
The gentleman who deleted the thread did so because derogatory remarks had been made. You may disagree with his decision, but his motivation and goal were respectful. There was no abuse of power. The decision was not about you. The derogatory remarks had been made regarding Mr. Arnell, I am sure he would appreciate our decision.
These forums have never been a free for all, and on rare occasions when someone steps beyond the line of respect, we must take action to correct it. Its as simple as that, and I stand behind the man and his decision.
Since you have written you will no longer post here, I am locking this thread. If you change your mind, PM me and let me know, I can always unlock it. Be forewarned, I will not tolerate inflamatory remarks about the moderation staff. To do so will result in termination of your membership privileges.
-G