Jeff, on the seller's website (blackhorsegarage.com) they show two different Vin#s for this car 6684 and 6699. They look like a high end dealer but have had this car on Ebay several times without the reserve being met so they lowered the starting price to entice bidders and now someone is shilling for them. If I pass on this trailer queen I'll let them know why.
Hi Jeff,
It looks like you have outed the shill.
Ozone,
In looking at the bidding #6684, it looks as though somebody is under the ether.
If you are going to fly somewwhere to look at a collectable, you might consider this car. The general consensus is that the bumpers are fugly, but the ownership history is unsurpassed:
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2250045562/m/6990008965
It looks like you have outed the shill.
Ozone,
In looking at the bidding #6684, it looks as though somebody is under the ether.
If you are going to fly somewwhere to look at a collectable, you might consider this car. The general consensus is that the bumpers are fugly, but the ownership history is unsurpassed:
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2250045562/m/6990008965
If both the bidders were real they would be starting up a big car collection.
Maybe they won Lotto ! :P
Maybe they won Lotto ! :P
I was the second high bidder but knew the shill bids were there to drive up the price and inflate interest. The dealer said that reserve was $95K down from $120K! What a steal! Unless a European or Asian collector buys I don't think it will sell in this market. I'll keep looking for a nice driver unless there is a fire sale on this one.
quote:I'll keep looking for a nice driver unless there is a fire sale on this one.
Larry stock (Pantera Parts Connection, Reno) has a couple of very nice cars on consignment at the moment, both priced at $52.5K. Worth a phone call (1-800 DeTomaso) and he'll send you some photo's.
Don't forget to look on the PI cars for sale page too... Mike Mayberry has a very clean green '72 for sale.
quote:Originally posted by Joules5:
Don't forget to look on the PI cars for sale page too... Mike Mayberry has a very clean green '72 for sale.
And then there's this one...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1972-Detom...trksid=p4506.c0.m245
Is it the one Mayberry has listed? Either way, pretty and original.
Thanks Joules5 and A Hudson I've been researching the cars on this site, Eabay and others for sale and would prefer to buy from and individual and not a dealer or Ebay car.DZ
quote:Originally posted by Ozone:
Thanks Joules5 and A Hudson I've been researching the cars on this site, Eabay and others for sale and would prefer to buy from and individual and not a dealer or Ebay car.DZ
Was the ebay experience that bad - or just leave a bad taste in your mouth?
You're THE judge on this, but ruling out all dealers and ebay is a fairly broad cut. I've bought and sold on ebay; had good experiences, though not without due diligence. Dealers - I've found - usually have WAY more to protect than Lonny the Seemingly Honest but Poised to Evaporate individual.
Anyway, enjoy the hunt... it's half the fun. At least!
quote:Originally posted by A Hudson:
And then there's this one...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1972-Detom...trksid=p4506.c0.m245
Gee Adams, I figured you were going to buy that one as a spare.
Mark
quote:Originally posted by Mark Charlton:
Gee Adams, I figured you were going to buy that one as a spare.
Mark
When I first saw it, I thought it WAS my car! But yes, we all need a spare, or two, right?
quote:Thanks Joules5 and A Hudson I've been researching the cars on this site, Eabay and others for sale and would prefer to buy from and individual and not a dealer or Ebay car.DZ
I urge you not to look at Pantera vendors as your typical 'used car dealer', they are for the most part owners like us who took the hobby one step further.
Although Larry is doing the groundwork on the two cars he has for sale, they are on consignment, you are ultimately negotiating with and buying from the owner. In Mike Mayberry's case he is an extrenmely well respected Lincoln-Mercury dealer who has a long history with Ford and selling Pantera's. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Pantera from him.
Now if you see one for sale on your local used car corner lot....
I won't but this email is typical b.s. salesmanship so I email back saying that I stopped bidding because of the shill bidder. Here is the dealer's email to me:
Our 1974 Pantera did not sell on Ebay though it did generate a lot of interest. Please give me a call to discuss a possible sale as I still have not heard back from the party overseas who posted a previous high offer. Also, please note that I had accidentally posted the VIN incorrectly. The correct VIN (as show in the pictures) is THPNND06699. I look forward to speaking with you soon. Best regards,
Our 1974 Pantera did not sell on Ebay though it did generate a lot of interest. Please give me a call to discuss a possible sale as I still have not heard back from the party overseas who posted a previous high offer. Also, please note that I had accidentally posted the VIN incorrectly. The correct VIN (as show in the pictures) is THPNND06699. I look forward to speaking with you soon. Best regards,
quote:Originally posted by Ozone:
I won't but this email is typical b.s. salesmanship so I email back saying that I stopped bidding because of the shill bidder. Here is the dealer's email to me:
Our 1974 Pantera did not sell on Ebay though it did generate a lot of interest. Please give me a call to discuss a possible sale as I still have not heard back from the party overseas who posted a previous high offer. Also, please note that I had accidentally posted the VIN incorrectly. The correct VIN (as show in the pictures) is THPNND06699. I look forward to speaking with you soon. Best regards,
Agreed. The BS is part of the person; the car is not. You're already smarter for having spotted the auction's "funk factor" WAY beforehand, but since the car is what it is, maybe get it inspected - sans BS - to see if its the one for you. The loser won't play into this car's history; you might.
I am also interested in this car. I have not had a Pantera before, and am looking for a show quality car. I'm not happy to see the shill bidding, but hopefully it is thrill bidding and not someone shill bidding for the dealer.
Sounds like the brake master is incorrect, some hoses are incorrect, the shift knob is incorrect...Is the consensus that the red button and engine compartment/undercoating are actually ok? Looking at the pix, does anyone else see a small dent in front of the LF tire in the closeup pic?
Do the Goodyear Arriva tires seem accurate?
Is the drivers side mirror accurate? Is a spare tire missing? Does the radio delete plate seem correct?
Is the price the main thing that appears to be amiss with #6699 just judging from the pictures and description?
Sounds like the brake master is incorrect, some hoses are incorrect, the shift knob is incorrect...Is the consensus that the red button and engine compartment/undercoating are actually ok? Looking at the pix, does anyone else see a small dent in front of the LF tire in the closeup pic?
Do the Goodyear Arriva tires seem accurate?
Is the drivers side mirror accurate? Is a spare tire missing? Does the radio delete plate seem correct?
Is the price the main thing that appears to be amiss with #6699 just judging from the pictures and description?