Pantera showcased on Musclecar of the Week.
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Thanks for the link. That car is a time capsule with that low of milage
I found the commentary totally inaccurate, 1.) the early problem was over heating 2.) the 74? the production was from 1971 to 1972, the remaining 72 cars were sold as 73's, 1974 was a grey market car, ( special import.)3.) the original 351 in the 1971 cars had 365 H.P. 4.) Lee worked with Carol Shelby to locate a Ferrari like mid engine (DeTomaso ) car to destroy the Ferrari market.5.) We all know our cars are not "roomy " I am happy to see ANYTHING about our cars, even if it's not exactly accurate..
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Since when did the US L cars have a rear bumper mounted directly to the rear of the car without the shock absorbers?
It's probably not directly mounted to the body. My rear bumper is pulled in like that. No shocks. Just a couple of custom mounting tubes. Looks way, way better than stock. IMHO 
Doug M
Doug M
quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
It's probably not directly mounted to the body. My rear bumper is pulled in like that. No shocks. Just a couple of custom mounting tubes. Looks way, way better than stock. IMHO
Doug M
Then it isn't an original car is it?
quote:Then it isn't an original car is it?
Did anyone else notice the small, round black rubber grommet in the driver's side of the center engine screen?
I think it was for a power radio antenna, as many owners mounted an electric one to the gas tank shield in that location.
But the car still has the radio delete plate?
But other than that, a very original example.
Original now is a good selling point for collector-level Panteras. I suspect we will see other 'original' cars appear, with small hints and clues of prior changes, clues not generally picked up on by most.
Larry
I did notice that, yes.
Original is a tricky term. It is usually a term seller like to use to justify a higher selling price.
It is a ridiculously low mile car yes, BUT the spirit of the term "original" is very close to what the intent of a Division 1 "Concours" car is.
That is one heck of an SOB class to compete in.
Not only do you need the original assembly line parts on the car, they need to be in the condition that the car came off the assembly line in.
Over the counter service parts IF DIFFERENT are not acceptable.
Date codes on the parts have to be within a narrow time frame.
SHOW me that on this Pantera and I'll be impressed. No one is judging these cars and fewer are qualify to judge them.
It is and is going to be a difficult if not impossible thing to do.
Original is a tricky term. It is usually a term seller like to use to justify a higher selling price.
It is a ridiculously low mile car yes, BUT the spirit of the term "original" is very close to what the intent of a Division 1 "Concours" car is.
That is one heck of an SOB class to compete in.
Not only do you need the original assembly line parts on the car, they need to be in the condition that the car came off the assembly line in.
Over the counter service parts IF DIFFERENT are not acceptable.
Date codes on the parts have to be within a narrow time frame.
SHOW me that on this Pantera and I'll be impressed. No one is judging these cars and fewer are qualify to judge them.
It is and is going to be a difficult if not impossible thing to do.
The show title says its a GTS. I didn't see any GTS badging. Should there be?
quote:Originally posted by Husker:
The show title says its a GTS. I didn't see any GTS badging. Should there be?
This is what I think.
We are not shown the vin tag.
It has the passenger side parked windshield wipers on it. Those are '74 only.
IF it was a US GTS, it would have a GT in the serial number.
If it was a Euro GTS it would not have right parked wipers. Only the '74 US cars have those.
The paint looks suspiciously glossy to me for original Acrylic Enamel paint. The gloss in that stuff died all by itself long ago. Soon after it was new in fact.
I think it is two stage. Base coat with clear over. It is difficult to tell on a video but to me the color looks off from Pantera Red #2, which is what it would be from the factory.
It could be a 73 and had it's wipers changed or it could be a 74 California car that Ford titled as a 73 for emissions reasons.
I never heard of a 73 GTS but never say never and if it is and was sold new in Cali it was sold as a '73.
Got all that? Sounds confusing I know.
It might be a real US GTS that the flares have been removed on and it probably has been repainted?
All this considered, why should I believe the super low mileage on it under these conditions.
Judges decision...ding, ding, ding...bah humbug. I don't believe it. I am not spending $150,000 for it anytime soon.
In one shot in the video the fuel filler in the gills in on the right side and the next shot it is on the left side?!
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I don't know; my 42 year old paint still has a pretty good gloss.
I think that Muscle Car Of The Week just happened to call it a GTS when it is clearly just a base model. They are after all Muscle Car guys not Detomaso Pantera experts.
This car, as are almost all of the cars featured on Muscle Car of the Week, is from the "Brothers Collection". They have the most comprehensive Muscle Car collection in the world and own over 600 of the rarest ones on the planet including an all original Hemi Cuda Convertible, one of 11 ever built. These brothers are renowned for owning only the best at any cost; money is no object, so I highly doubt this Pantera is anything other that what it appears to be.
Here are a few of the Brothers unusual cars:
The very first Chevelle Z16 ever built, which was also the very first muscle car that Chevrolet ever built
- The very first Chevelle SS454 LS6 off the assembly line
- The only 1969 Mach I Mustang ever built with a factory sunroof
- The very first A12 (440-6) Roadrunner ever built
- The very last Hemi 'Cuda convertible Plymouth produced, One of the eight convertible Trans Am Ram Air III Firebirds that Pontiac built in 1969.
quote:The paint looks suspiciously glossy to me for original Acrylic Enamel paint. The gloss in that stuff died all by itself long ago. Soon after it was new in fact.
I don't know; my 42 year old paint still has a pretty good gloss.
I think that Muscle Car Of The Week just happened to call it a GTS when it is clearly just a base model. They are after all Muscle Car guys not Detomaso Pantera experts.
This car, as are almost all of the cars featured on Muscle Car of the Week, is from the "Brothers Collection". They have the most comprehensive Muscle Car collection in the world and own over 600 of the rarest ones on the planet including an all original Hemi Cuda Convertible, one of 11 ever built. These brothers are renowned for owning only the best at any cost; money is no object, so I highly doubt this Pantera is anything other that what it appears to be.
Here are a few of the Brothers unusual cars:
The very first Chevelle Z16 ever built, which was also the very first muscle car that Chevrolet ever built
- The very first Chevelle SS454 LS6 off the assembly line
- The only 1969 Mach I Mustang ever built with a factory sunroof
- The very first A12 (440-6) Roadrunner ever built
- The very last Hemi 'Cuda convertible Plymouth produced, One of the eight convertible Trans Am Ram Air III Firebirds that Pontiac built in 1969.
Windows of featured car go all the way down too.
quote:Originally posted by Kid:
Windows of featured car go all the way down too.
Look again; both windows clearly stick up about 3/4 of an inch or so.
I too noticed the gas filler point being on the right side then again on the left side in the video....hows that work editing of some sort?
on My #6530 car the windows do go all the way down as well.
on My #6530 car the windows do go all the way down as well.
In Ferrari-World, GTS is for open cars .. targa top. e.g., 328GT vs. 328GTS, Not sure why DeTomaso is different.