i have the uprights and axels together but i dont think they are right, can anyone help with how they need to be assembled and put together properly. the axel rotate but seam tight.
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Where are you located? Can you take pictures from several angles so we can see what you have?
It would help somewhat if we knew exactly where the car is? It is kind of expensive to fly someone in to do the work? If you are up the street from me, come'on'in!
Here are some pictures of the uprights. I am located in NE Iowa. Where are you located? I would be able to take the uprights off, box them and send them to you.
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I agree with Rocky on this. Talk to either of them, or both? I don't have any experience with a Mangusta. A Pantera is a different story.
Experience counts with these cars.
It would be better to have the car there in front of you to work on it though. Shipping around parts that are close to irreplaceable is not a comforting thought.
Might try Dennis Quella at Pantera Performance Center in Colorado.
Wilkinson offered to install new bearings in my Pantera uprights when I was at that point.
He is in California.
@panteradoug posted:Shipping around parts that are close to irreplaceable is not a comforting thought.
Doug, UPS offers an unadvertised service option called “high value” package. It’s really designed for watches and gold bricks, etc. but I’ve done it with auto parts that were irreplaceable. A high value package gets carried in the cab with the driver, rather than in the back with the other packages. When the package moves to another truck, the driver hands the package to the next driver. At no time is it sitting in a pile with a bunch of other packages. I used this service to ship my Kelly Coffield IR intake manifold, not because it was expensive but because I didn’t want it to go missing. As I recall, it was not expensive and it was still “Ground” service.
@davidnunn posted:Doug, UPS offers an unadvertised service option called “high value” package. It’s really designed for watches and gold bricks, etc. but I’ve done it with auto parts that were irreplaceable. A high value package gets carried in the cab with the driver, rather than in the back with the other packages. When the package moves to another truck, the driver hands the package to the next driver. At no time is it sitting in a pile with a bunch of other packages. I used this service to ship my Kelly Coffield IR intake manifold, not because it was expensive but because I didn’t want it to go missing. As I recall, it was not expensive and it was still “Ground” service.
Irreplaceable in this case means just that, i.e., you can't get another one.
I once heard of a situation where someone had a Boss 302 Trans Am car for sale that had a very rare set of steel valve covers on it.
They were completely "blank" and had no provisions for any kind of breather attachments.
The car was for sale but the seller wouldn't sell the valve covers separately. The new owner bought the car so he could have those valve covers, took them and resold the car.
Those Mangusta uprights can be replaced but you have to buy another Mangusta to get another one.
I don't even want to hold them in a bench vise to break the axle nut loose. That's 400 lb-feet and is going to leave a mark in the uprights.
The only shipper here that I know of that will insure for even $1,000 is Fedex. If you need more then you need to hire an armored car company.
Randy, so you have the sailfish car, 8ma692? Welcome to the list, its fun to see pictures of a car getting built. I haven't gone thru the job of replacing bearings in the uprights, but I think it is probably one of those jobs that would benefit by a call with Wilkinson. As well, yeah, nobody wants to see a shipment get lost...but these are not perfectly unique parts--in the 0.somehing% chance that they get lost in shipment, the honest truth is that there is likely another one or 2 available in the world...I do suppose that this is the kind of job that if you really don't have to learn what kind of mistakes could be made, better to just let someone else fuss with it...(I only rebuillt one transmission in my life, for example--from a Ferrari 308, when the car was worth probably just $15k but I expected going to someone would have cost at least $5k...and well, that worked out OK...but here, its just about someone who is talented and sympathetic to getting the thing loose...).
Another way to look at it--its probably a 0.1% chance the package will be lost for good, and at least you can insure it. It could be a 2% chance of goofing something up taking it apart yourself...3rd gear from my 308 makes a good souvenir on the shelf, but an upright will never fit in the home...Lee
@leea posted:3rd gear from my 308 makes a good souvenir on the shelf, but an upright will never fit in the home...Lee
There should never be parts left over after reassembly!
@panteradoug posted:There should never be parts left over after reassembly!
...that explains a lot... 
(I remember calling for a quote for a replacement 3rd gear (the bearing had failed underneath it), I remember it was Sid at Ferrari Houston told me the good news was that it was available for $1300, but I'd have to buy the whole set...Found a good used gear for $250, but also bought my brother's 1970 Mustang 351C convertible thinking that getting a 4 speed into it would cost about the same as that single Ferrari gear...).
(even further off track)--The most expensive table I remember seeing was one a friend Kenny had in college, Kenny was a wrench at a bay area porsche shop in the 70's (and again in Phoenix nearly in his 70s...)--each leg was a Porsche 911 crankshaft). Somehow, there is nothing on a Mangusta that belongs inside the house...ok, 'cept the Ferraro steering wheel...)
It looks like you are capable of doing the work, so really what you need is a resource to talk to or face time with who is familiar with Mangusta hubs.
I don't have specific experience on the Mangusta, but the length of the spacer between the bearings is critical as the inner races are compressed against it. Then it should be fairly straightforward axle, inner flange, spacer and nut.
An old thread here:
https://pantera.infopop.cc/top...-bearing-replacement.
Try reaching out to Steve Liebenow (username Mangusta), I don't know a way to tag a user on this forum.
PS: Should anyone need there's an eBay seller 'Italiomiami' who has uprights listed on eBay!
@leea posted:Randy, so you have the sailfish car, 8ma692? Welcome to the list, its fun to see pictures of a car getting built. I haven't gone thru the job of replacing bearings in the uprights, but I think it is probably one of those jobs that would benefit by a call with Wilkinson. As well, yeah, nobody wants to see a shipment get lost...but these are not perfectly unique parts--in the 0.somehing% chance that they get lost in shipment, the honest truth is that there is likely another one or 2 available in the world...I do suppose that this is the kind of job that if you really don't have to learn what kind of mistakes could be made, better to just let someone else fuss with it...(I only rebuillt one transmission in my life, for example--from a Ferrari 308, when the car was worth probably just $15k but I expected going to someone would have cost at least $5k...and well, that worked out OK...but here, its just about someone who is talented and sympathetic to getting the thing loose...).
Another way to look at it--its probably a 0.1% chance the package will be lost for good, and at least you can insure it. It could be a 2% chance of goofing something up taking it apart yourself...3rd gear from my 308 makes a good souvenir on the shelf, but an upright will never fit in the home...Lee
leea, thanks much for the info,bearings are new and in place its the shaft and torque and tightness im not sure. i contacted kirk evens and hes only 7 hrs from me so i think im going to take them to him. i have owned two other mangustas one i bought from a lincoln ford dealer in alanta who raced it in imsa back in the days. i think its in sweden now. i have pictures of it i will post. everyone on the tec forum has been greately helpful . its nice to know that people care about this hobby and were willing to help, thanks to everyone