I was reading this thread today and only Pantera74 and Peter mentioned Jotec, I would not have looked at the Si again and never known the price had been lowered. I have a strong interest in this car, but in order to keep it I realistically would need to sell my GT5S, as I also want to buy or build a rep GT40 in the near future. My biggest fear is that the Si may prove dissapointing to drive when compared to my 5S. They are well down on power, and fuel injected. I love the look of the Si, can anyone shed some light on the driving experience compared to a 5S ??
Steve
A black SI for sale ?
http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=4577459740103750...ype=search&plindex=2
Someone have informations about this car...
http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=4577459740103750...ype=search&plindex=2
Someone have informations about this car...
Is Meilenwerk a museum ?
Meilenwerk is the name of a big classic car center in Berlin, located in an old, restored tram garage.
There you can find classic car dealers, restauration shops, restaurants and even private people have the possibility to store their cars there.
There you can find classic car dealers, restauration shops, restaurants and even private people have the possibility to store their cars there.
quote:Originally posted by Peter H:quote:Originally posted by Pantera74:
I looked on the the De Tomaso registry.
There are only 2 black SI in Germany (registred).
It could be this one (#9625) for sale in 2007 in Germany the only one black/black...
http://www.qv500.com/detomasoregistrypansi9625.php
To be confirmed.
Kjell Jansson is familiar with ZDT874000MA009625 and advises that it is a 1991, owned by Mr.Jorg Sandek of Berlin, Germany. Kjell has a copy of the "Fahrzeugbrif", which shows it was first registered in Stuttgart, Germany on November 27, 1991. The asking price has dropped in the last month from € 125.000 to € 98.500.
Interestingly, Mr. Sandek has about 300 or 400 exotics and race cars in an old military-hangar at a town called Blumberg near Berlin in the old East-Germany. Kjell saw the 90Si there in October of 2005 and reports that the car is in perfect mint condition. Mr Sandek also runs a successful race team: www.jenichen-motorsport.de
I am aware of only one other black German 90 Si Pantera #9603, belonging to Gerd Schied.
In short, I do not think the Sportcars4fun 90Si is #9625 or #9603. Rather, I think it is a third black German 90 Si and that is why I would love to find out its chassis number so I can add it to the registry.
So, if anybody is making any plans for a holiday to Germany, consider how much more fun it would be if you rented a 90 Si instead of whatever crappy subcompact your travel agent was suggesting... and don't forget to write down that chassis number!!
- Peter
PS: Here is a photo of the Gerd Schied car:
you can see the car of Gerd Schied with new
wheels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB6PB9bvM-g
Is the Black SI in Meilenwerk car center registred ?
quote:Originally posted by Si Targa:
Meilenwerk is the name of a big classic car center in Berlin, located in an old, restored tram garage.
There you can find classic car dealers, restauration shops, restaurants and even private people have the possibility to store their cars there.
Is it possible to get the chassis number and owner contact information for this car? It would be great if someone could stop by the Meilenwerk Centre and see if the information is available.
Hopefully, this will not require me giving my credit card number to David...
quote:Originally posted by stephen:
I was reading this thread today and only Pantera74 and Peter mentioned Jotec, I would not have looked at the Si again and never known the price had been lowered. I have a strong interest in this car, but in order to keep it I realistically would need to sell my GT5S, as I also want to buy or build a rep GT40 in the near future. My biggest fear is that the Si may prove dissapointing to drive when compared to my 5S. They are well down on power, and fuel injected. I love the look of the Si, can anyone shed some light on the driving experience compared to a 5S ??
Steve
hi Stephen,
I may be uniquely qualified to answer your question, as Franz Krump was kind enough to let me drive his Si when I went to Austria to buy his (now my) GT5-S. So I drove them back to back.
The Si doesn't have the rumble of the Cleveland. At idle it is relatively quiet and was somewhat disappointing. The biggest difference is the vibration - you FEEL a Cleveland as much as HEAR it, and the SI was a little too smooth.
Once you get your foot in it, however, the engine's note is much better.
Seat of the pants impression is the acceleration is similar to a stock GT5-S.
Handling was noticeably better than the 5-S. The brakes were superb. The seats were fantastic.
There is a yellow Si with a heavily modified engine that I saw at the factory at the International Meeting in 1999 that sounded simply amazing. If it is the one I am thinking of, I've seen it advertised for sale and has roughly 550 hp. So like any Pantera, the engine can be modified to please.
Before spending that kind of cash, I'd drive one yourself to decide. It is a different car than an early Pantera, so it is worth looking at closely.
It's more modern - FI and all - and that has its good points and bad. It is a better car, there isn't much doubt about it. Perhaps it loses a small amount of character as a result?
Whoe owns that beautiful orange car at the end of the video?
hi Stephen,
I may be uniquely qualified to answer your question, as Franz Krump was kind enough to let me drive his Si when I went to Austria to buy his (now my) GT5-S. So I drove them back to back.
The Si doesn't have the rumble of the Cleveland. At idle it is relatively quiet and was somewhat disappointing. The biggest difference is the vibration - you FEEL a Cleveland as much as HEAR it, and the SI was a little too smooth.
Once you get your foot in it, however, the engine's note is much better.
Seat of the pants impression is the acceleration is similar to a stock GT5-S.
Handling was noticeably better than the 5-S. The brakes were superb. The seats were fantastic.
There is a yellow Si with a heavily modified engine that I saw at the factory at the International Meeting in 1999 that sounded simply amazing. If it is the one I am thinking of, I've seen it advertised for sale and has roughly 550 hp. So like any Pantera, the engine can be modified to please.
Before spending that kind of cash, I'd drive one yourself to decide. It is a different car than an early Pantera, so it is worth looking at closely.
It's more modern - FI and all - and that has its good points and bad. It is a better car, there isn't much doubt about it. Perhaps it loses a small amount of character as a result?[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the reply Charlie,
curiously most of my friends said the same thing, and seem to think I may be dissapointed with the Si.
About 2 months ago Franz Krump let me know that Si #9610, the white factory coverted RHD was for sale in Australia. I was in touch with the owner and before I could move any further I needed to find out the cost of importation to Ireland. IT took almost four weeks to get a figure on import duty from the Irish Revenue. By that time the car was sold. Probably the only chance I will ever have to buy a rhd Si as there are only two.
No matter, for now I have decided to keep the GT5S, I have done so much work to its engine and suspension and it really is a great car now. Will shortly be bringing my BB512 home from the UK after a complete overhaul so I will be pretty much entertained between both of them.
Steve
I may be uniquely qualified to answer your question, as Franz Krump was kind enough to let me drive his Si when I went to Austria to buy his (now my) GT5-S. So I drove them back to back.
The Si doesn't have the rumble of the Cleveland. At idle it is relatively quiet and was somewhat disappointing. The biggest difference is the vibration - you FEEL a Cleveland as much as HEAR it, and the SI was a little too smooth.
Once you get your foot in it, however, the engine's note is much better.
Seat of the pants impression is the acceleration is similar to a stock GT5-S.
Handling was noticeably better than the 5-S. The brakes were superb. The seats were fantastic.
There is a yellow Si with a heavily modified engine that I saw at the factory at the International Meeting in 1999 that sounded simply amazing. If it is the one I am thinking of, I've seen it advertised for sale and has roughly 550 hp. So like any Pantera, the engine can be modified to please.
Before spending that kind of cash, I'd drive one yourself to decide. It is a different car than an early Pantera, so it is worth looking at closely.
It's more modern - FI and all - and that has its good points and bad. It is a better car, there isn't much doubt about it. Perhaps it loses a small amount of character as a result?[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the reply Charlie,
curiously most of my friends said the same thing, and seem to think I may be dissapointed with the Si.
About 2 months ago Franz Krump let me know that Si #9610, the white factory coverted RHD was for sale in Australia. I was in touch with the owner and before I could move any further I needed to find out the cost of importation to Ireland. IT took almost four weeks to get a figure on import duty from the Irish Revenue. By that time the car was sold. Probably the only chance I will ever have to buy a rhd Si as there are only two.
No matter, for now I have decided to keep the GT5S, I have done so much work to its engine and suspension and it really is a great car now. Will shortly be bringing my BB512 home from the UK after a complete overhaul so I will be pretty much entertained between both of them.
Steve